[Discussion] Izuna was better than madara before you know....

[chopstickchakra]

I saw a post about Izuna being strong that inspired this.

We all know Izuna gave Madara his eyes. What I am propositioning is the fact that Madaras' hype is due to and should be directed towards Izuna.

I know a lot won't agree but hear me out. A lot of people here are pooping themselves over Madara's Susan'o and his raining comets skill(forget what it was called, whatever) and all of his other amazing powers.

Well remember Izuna gave him those eyes that have all those powers. Wouldn't that mean Izuna was a badass. In theory if Izuna hadn't given his eyes to Madara, Izuna would/should be the most feared Uchiha.

Idk if i made my train of thought clear but overall point is Izuna's sharingan was boss and those who don't agree must think Madara's sharingan also is not boss seeing as he has Izunas.

The End.

[Simple Math]

was never revealed/confirmed/stated or anything else.

[Délta]

well it has been stated they where equal and madara only took over as leader because he was older,so izuna maybe alot stronger then madara and thats why he tooks his eyes

[badoera]

I believe Itachi clearly said ''they were equal in every way.. only reason Madara became the Uchiha's leader is because he was older then Izuna..

[Uchiha Josephus]

well it has been stated they where equal and madara only took over as leader because he was older,so izuna maybe alot stronger then madara and thats why he tooks his eyes

Exactly what I was going to say.

[wade]

It said he was on equal terms with madara, and the meteor is a rinnegan ability... even nagato used it v naruto just not dual and to the level naruto did
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/549/9

[swapnil5843]

well it has been stated they where equal and madara only took over as leader because he was older,so izuna maybe alot stronger then madara and thats why he tooks his eyes

If they were said to equal but only fights mentioned by Madara were Madara v/s Hashirama
Knowing how he dislike weaklings and respects those who are his equals he might have mentioned Izuna also but he didn't......

I believe Itachi clearly said ''they were equal in every way.. only reason Madara became the Uchiha's leader is because he was older then Izuna..

Nope, Madara was full pride and ego thats why he fought with Hashirama he wanted to become Hokage and he resented weaklings
If Izuna was stronger he would have challenged him for fight over becoming the leader of Uchiha clan also.........

[Yusuke Urameshi]

They were equal. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Accept it.

[Konan is a Badass]

No Those are Madara's techniques, Izuna's eyes only gave him Eternal light

Izuna was only equal with MS Madara he was still strong and badass though, he seemed like good person to, Madara is a diik

[Nixc]

yeah you're right.Madara is only a weak shinobi that plead to his brother eye with reason tha he need to protect the clan during the war

[Nixc]

madara is garbage

[Nixc]

edo madara is just waiting the juubi perfection that he can't realize

[chopstickchakra]

No Those are Madara's techniques, Izuna's eyes only gave him Eternal light

Izuna was only equal with MS Madara he was still strong and badass though, he seemed like good person to, Madara is a diik

How do you figure those are Madara's techs when he has Izunas eyes? the techs reside in the eyes not the body.

[chopstickchakra]

They were equal. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Accept it.

When did I say they weren't equal? I said Izunas eyes are the ones that held all the techs that people cheer Madara for. If Izuna had kept his eyes rather than give them to Madara, Madara would be the blind one no one cares about and Izuna would be the badass the characters all fear and the fans love/love to hate.

[swapnil5843]

How do you figure those are Madara's techs when he has Izunas eyes? the techs reside in the eyes not the body.

If techs reside in eyes then Nagato got his eyes from Madara but he could only use Rinnegan techs but not the Sharingan.......
Its not the eyes it the ability of the person to wield them........

[chopstickchakra]

was never revealed/confirmed/stated or anything else.

What was never revealed or stated, that Izuna gave Madara his eyes?

[ReeseKage]

Would u fight ur own brother in order to be leader of ur clan? That's called "set trippin" or treason. They were equal in strength anyways so it would've been a stalemate so they had to go by who was older. I agree that Madara or a few eye techniques from izuna because he took his eyes. Same As Sas-gay when he took itachi samas eyes. He gained more in addition to his regular techs

[Yusuke Urameshi]

When did I say they weren't equal? I said Izunas eyes are the ones that held all the techs that people cheer Madara for. If Izuna had kept his eyes rather than give them to Madara, Madara would be the blind one no one cares about and Izuna would be the badass the characters all fear and the fans love/love to hate.

They are equal, meaning their jutsu and everything was equal. Yes, I agree, I like Izuna more than Madara. He just seems cooler.

[chopstickchakra]

If techs reside in eyes then Nagato got his eyes from Madara but he could only use Rinnegan techs but not the Sharingan.......
Its not the eyes it the ability of the person to wield them........

He got his eyes from Obito not madara. And we don't know the situation of the eyes he was given, maybe he was given a developed rinnegan and with no process of learning sharingan when being given rinnegan directly it is feasible that sharingan techs would be lost to that person.

[chopstickchakra]

They are equal, meaning their jutsu and everything was equal. Yes, I agree, I like Izuna more than Madara. He just seems cooler.

First of all just because they're equal doesn't mean they're the same. Izuna could be a 5 in power 10 in speed Madara could be a 10 in power 5 in speed and they would still be equal. You're missing the point anyway, I'm not saying one is stronger than the other I'm saying most of the things people like about Madara(his skills) are a result of Izuna.

[ItachiStyle]

How do you figure those are Madara's techs when he has Izunas eyes? the techs reside in the eyes not the body.

Well, as has been discussed in another thread I started, the implication seems to be that Perfect Susanoo is an EMS technique at best, not a Rinnegan one, so perhaps Izuna had some form of it.

So far we haven't actually seen Madara use Ameratsu, so he may have an additional power as yet unseen instead (maybe winding time backwards or something?). Maybe Izuna's powers were somewhat different to Madara's also. We shall have to wait and see.

[chopstickchakra]

Well, as has been discussed in another thread I started, the implication seems to be that Perfect Susanoo is an EMS technique at best, not a Rinnegan one, so perhaps Izuna had some form of it.

So far we haven't actually seen Madara use Ameratsu, so he may have an additional power as yet unseen instead (maybe winding time backwards or something?). Maybe Izuna's powers were somewhat different to Madara's also. We shall have to wait and see.

Right, my line of thinking on this was similar to how Sasuke attained Amaterasu by implanting Itachi's eyes. For all we know and most likely that was Izunas' Susan'o and we have never been shown Madaras Susan'o.

[Champ]

When they both awaken the Mangekyo Madara was selected as their leader, if Izuna really was stronger than Madara then he would've been their leader

[anabolicwindow]

But it was said that madara was born with the strongest chakra the uchihas ever saw...not izuna...so don't really know

[chopstickchakra]

When they both awaken the Mangekyo Madara was selected as their leader, if Izuna really was stronger than Madara then he would've been their leader

I never said he was stronger, you guys should start reading the words for what they say not what you think they mean. Also Madara was older idk if your familiar with feudalism, but the elder almost always takes the throne and if he doesn't...expect a civil war. The Uchiha knew how Madara was and even if Izuna was a better choice(which I never said he was) they wouldn't have picked him because Madara would have rebelled and that would hurt the clan(not that electing Madara to lead didn't).