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    What did minato mean

    Okay so in this weeks episode minato told Ay he comes from a great family the same as him, did minato mean that that they both came from a kage blood line, cause as we all know Ay is the son of the first Raikage. This only futures my suspicions of minato being the son Tsunade, Nauto didnt take his dads famous last name because minato wanted nobody to know Naruto was his son maybe minato parents did the same or maybe his was adopted. I know everyone has heard this before, from, plus all the other clues I just copied in case some haven't seen it before btw I didn't come up with this I just agree with. I'am not very good with this site, I hope this is the correct way. This is from another site so I had to edit the links out but the authors name.


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    tsunade is minato's mother and naruto's grandmother!
    Ok, i have no idea if this was made before... i havn't found anything so i think i will share this theory with you.

    It's basicly that tsunade is naruto's gandmother.

    We don't know tsunades surname. We all belive that it is senju, but we are not shure...
    We do know that she hab a boyfriend. Maybe they were married... dan namikaze anybody??

    there are some hints in the manga that back this theory up.


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    „if he'd been my son...“ - jiraiya said that to tsunade. am i just seeing things here?

    „... i'd have bragged about him all the time.“ - why his parents didn't brag about him? maybe because they didn't want him to become a ninja? maybe because his parents lost all their beloved ones on the battlefield?
    maybe because his mother lost her brother and her husband/minato's father on the battlefield?

    another thing: jiraiya couldn't remenber kushina's name... but tsunade knew it. of course you know the name of your son's girlfriend...


    the first meating of naruto and tsunade – look at jiraiya's face when he is telling her naruto's name... „usumaki naruto“:



    why are jiraiya and tsunade speaking about the 4th so much? - i mean in this situation... her teacher had been killed only a few days ago...



    the inside joke: tsunade-bachan .... come on. anybody?

    also this would make naruto at least part-senju and that would fit extreamly good in the whole senju/uchiha history...


    so maybe i'm just seeing things here, it's posible; but i really think that tsunade is narutos's grandmother.
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    Re: What did minato mean

    No.. a family that cares deeply for each other. Minato saw that Bee loved Ay with all his heart and would die for him. Minato with the will of fire seeing Konoha as a family meant that his comrades would die for him.
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    If so, Tsunade is an awful grandmother
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    Minato was referring at the family importance in one's life. He was making a reference at his family and the fact that Kushina is very important to him.
    Plus, if I'd be like that, Tsunade wouldn't abandon Minato. She didn't abandon Shizune, Dan's niece, do you think she'd abandon her own child?
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    Tsunade minato's mother.
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    Re: What did minato mean

    Hi guys i found a interesting story of a excellent predictor who says minato was the son of tsunade with all predictions lets enjoy this


    It is pretty apparent from the hints in the manga that Tsunade and Dan are Minato's mother/father. The reason i think this is true is because there are just so many hints shown in the manga and Data-book thats its almost undeniable. So i'll try and keep this short and post them in a list
    1-Tsunade and Minato have the same exact blood type(B).

    2-Dan and Minato graduated the Academy at the Same time(When they were 10) *not literally the SAME year

    3-Tsunade and Minato Share the Same Hair Color(Blond)

    4-Minato and Dan are around the same height and weight as each other(they are only different by a 3-4 in both categories)

    5-Naruto and Nawaki(tsunade's brother) look nearly identical. Shows possibly a family resemblance

    6-Its interesting that naruto always calls Tsunade Grandma Tsunade, which would be very ironic on kishi's part if it was true

    Now that the basic comparisons are over here's the real big evidance

    5-Madara suggest that the Hokage line has been kept in the Senju clan for years. When he talks about this their is a picture of the hokage mountain and it shows the fourth hokage's head on it. This implies that the Hokage position was still held by the Senju even during the fourth Hokage's time, which inturn implies that the fourth hokage is a Senju.

    Where else would he get the blood from the Senju clan then Tsunade.

    6-Tsunade passes down the hokage necklace to naruto which was set to stay in Tsunade's family and passed down in their family since the first hokage. Since there is a big deal made out of the necklace i think this implies that Naruto might be in Tsunade's family.

    7-Yamato remarks about naruto's Chakra being special because he is able to hold off the power of the 4-tails w/o dieing. This might be because naruto is related to the Senju clan and thus his chakra has the same qualities as Shodai which helps to protect him from the kyuubi chakra

    8-There is a great amount of symbolism between Shodai-Naruto and Sasuke-Madara. They stood on that statues of each other at the valley of the end(Naruto on Shodai's and Sasuke on Madara's). Many people thought this implied that Shodai is like naruto and sasuke is like Madara. But Sasuke is actually and Uchiha so i don't see why this wouldn't also imply that naruto is a Senju.

    9-And i think this is the biggest telling piece of information eventhough some people might read the dialog differently then i did. Now remember the chapter where Jiriaya tells Tsunade that he is going to Ame to look for AL and they have Sake. Well when their discussion turns to minato alot of things bother me about the way Jiriaya talks to Tsunade.

    First look at Tsunade's face when she says Minato-Namikaze on page 10 chapter 367 she seems very sad about saying his name. Now this can be explained away by her just having been friends with him or something and being sad thinking about how he died, but it creates a very wierd mood for what happens next. First Jiriaya goes on to brag about Minato and what he was like and his amazing Genius.

    Which let me say its weird that Jiriaya even brought up Minato at this point in the conversation because previously they were talking about how Tsunade has lost so many people in the past and about how she rejected Jiriaya's advances. Then Jiriaya seems to imply that he thought of Minato as a son and brags about him to which he says that if Minato had been his son he would have bragged about him constantly.

    But what makes this suspect to me is he says i never had any kids of my own while looking at Tsunade and then says if Minato had been my kid...etc.. Doesn't this sound like what some one would say to a mother who lost their child...just replace minato with your son and doesn't the whole dialog seem right.

    For example i will redo the dialog this way

    "Tsunade you son had talent only seen once in a decade at best. He was a genius...No one like him has been born in awhile." "He was such a nice kid yet his guts and desire to succeed were the fiercest i have ever seen." "and in the blink of an eye he was our fourth hokage." "I never had kids so i don't know what its like, but if he had been my son i would have bragged about him all the time."

    Now i want you to think about what kind of character Jiriaya is. He's the guy who failed all his life at love and he failed to Dan. Now think about it if Jiriaya had succeeded with Tsunade he would have been Minato's father instead of Dan. Its basically like Jiriaya is saying he always thought of Minato as his son because he could have very well been his father if it wasn't for a simple twist of fate. Basically that whole converstation made me think that Jiriaya was talking about Minato as if he was Tsunade's son and if you read the flow of that conversation from its start to finish with the idea that Minato is Tsunade's son alot of Jiriaya's jokes and ways that he talks makes alot of sense.

    So whats my theory on how Minato is Tsunade's son. I think that Tsunade got pregnant by Dan a little bit before he went off on the mission that killed him. She also was doing missions because she didn't know that she herself was pregnant yet. After Dan Died she found that she was pregnant with his child which caused her to go even more into the depression that led her to leave the village. I think after Dan died she stayed in the village long enough to give birth to Minato and then she put him up for adoption and left the village.

    Years later Jiriaya trained Minato because he loved Tsunade so much. Basically Jiriaya felt like Minato could have been his kid and he wanted to be a father to Tsunade's kid becuase of his love for her. So he trained Minato and they did gain a father son bond which later resulted in Jiriaya ironically becoming naruto's God Father. Tsunade probably never told Minato that he was her kid, but all the elders of Konoha knew because they knew she put him up for adoption as a baby, which made Minato a member of the Senju clan which helped increase his chances of becoming hokage.

    The genius of kishimoto can truly be seen if this theory is true. For many reasons:

    1-It will be important in naruto becoming a full pledge ninja because he might develop some of Shodai's power to allow him to control the demon fox or it might help explain why he is able to finally control the demon fox with his own chakra. It would also build up the tension between Sasuke and Naruto if naruto was a true Senju clan member.
    2-It fit perfectly with the irony of Jiriaya's story/character. Jiriaya failed in love eventhough and Dan won out. Jiriaya could have been Minato's father, but he ended up becoming Minato's Sensei and Foster father figure anyway. Eventhough he failed in love with Tsunade he was still able to become part of Minato's family and even became naruto's God father.
    3-It would fit perfectly with Tsunade's dynamic with naruto and her troubled past storyline. It would also be amazing if naruto did find out Tsunade was his grandmother right before she died. Also Tsunade would then be in a position to be the one to reveal naruto's entire lineage to him. It would also make sense why she was so willing to bet the necklace with naruto because he is part of the Senju clan as well.
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    I'am not trying to take credit for these theories, just want 2 share them
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    Sooo ture man! agree! thats y tsunade lil bro looks a lot like naruto and acts like naruto. which explains why tsunade hated naruto at first cuz Naruto has the same dream as here lil bro and he ends up dying.
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    Quote Originally Posted by Getto Mazou View Post
    Hi guys i found a interesting story of a excellent predictor who says minato was the son of tsunade with all predictions lets enjoy this


    It is pretty apparent from the hints in the manga that Tsunade and Dan are Minato's mother/father. The reason i think this is true is because there are just so many hints shown in the manga and Data-book thats its almost undeniable. So i'll try and keep this short and post them in a list
    1-Tsunade and Minato have the same exact blood type(B).

    2-Dan and Minato graduated the Academy at the Same time(When they were 10) *not literally the SAME year

    3-Tsunade and Minato Share the Same Hair Color(Blond)

    4-Minato and Dan are around the same height and weight as each other(they are only different by a 3-4 in both categories)

    5-Naruto and Nawaki(tsunade's brother) look nearly identical. Shows possibly a family resemblance

    6-Its interesting that naruto always calls Tsunade Grandma Tsunade, which would be very ironic on kishi's part if it was true

    Now that the basic comparisons are over here's the real big evidance

    5-Madara suggest that the Hokage line has been kept in the Senju clan for years. When he talks about this their is a picture of the hokage mountain and it shows the fourth hokage's head on it. This implies that the Hokage position was still held by the Senju even during the fourth Hokage's time, which inturn implies that the fourth hokage is a Senju.

    Where else would he get the blood from the Senju clan then Tsunade.

    6-Tsunade passes down the hokage necklace to naruto which was set to stay in Tsunade's family and passed down in their family since the first hokage. Since there is a big deal made out of the necklace i think this implies that Naruto might be in Tsunade's family.

    7-Yamato remarks about naruto's Chakra being special because he is able to hold off the power of the 4-tails w/o dieing. This might be because naruto is related to the Senju clan and thus his chakra has the same qualities as Shodai which helps to protect him from the kyuubi chakra

    8-There is a great amount of symbolism between Shodai-Naruto and Sasuke-Madara. They stood on that statues of each other at the valley of the end(Naruto on Shodai's and Sasuke on Madara's). Many people thought this implied that Shodai is like naruto and sasuke is like Madara. But Sasuke is actually and Uchiha so i don't see why this wouldn't also imply that naruto is a Senju.

    9-And i think this is the biggest telling piece of information eventhough some people might read the dialog differently then i did. Now remember the chapter where Jiriaya tells Tsunade that he is going to Ame to look for AL and they have Sake. Well when their discussion turns to minato alot of things bother me about the way Jiriaya talks to Tsunade.

    First look at Tsunade's face when she says Minato-Namikaze on page 10 chapter 367 she seems very sad about saying his name. Now this can be explained away by her just having been friends with him or something and being sad thinking about how he died, but it creates a very wierd mood for what happens next. First Jiriaya goes on to brag about Minato and what he was like and his amazing Genius.

    Which let me say its weird that Jiriaya even brought up Minato at this point in the conversation because previously they were talking about how Tsunade has lost so many people in the past and about how she rejected Jiriaya's advances. Then Jiriaya seems to imply that he thought of Minato as a son and brags about him to which he says that if Minato had been his son he would have bragged about him constantly.

    But what makes this suspect to me is he says i never had any kids of my own while looking at Tsunade and then says if Minato had been my kid...etc.. Doesn't this sound like what some one would say to a mother who lost their child...just replace minato with your son and doesn't the whole dialog seem right.

    For example i will redo the dialog this way

    "Tsunade you son had talent only seen once in a decade at best. He was a genius...No one like him has been born in awhile." "He was such a nice kid yet his guts and desire to succeed were the fiercest i have ever seen." "and in the blink of an eye he was our fourth hokage." "I never had kids so i don't know what its like, but if he had been my son i would have bragged about him all the time."

    Now i want you to think about what kind of character Jiriaya is. He's the guy who failed all his life at love and he failed to Dan. Now think about it if Jiriaya had succeeded with Tsunade he would have been Minato's father instead of Dan. Its basically like Jiriaya is saying he always thought of Minato as his son because he could have very well been his father if it wasn't for a simple twist of fate. Basically that whole converstation made me think that Jiriaya was talking about Minato as if he was Tsunade's son and if you read the flow of that conversation from its start to finish with the idea that Minato is Tsunade's son alot of Jiriaya's jokes and ways that he talks makes alot of sense.

    So whats my theory on how Minato is Tsunade's son. I think that Tsunade got pregnant by Dan a little bit before he went off on the mission that killed him. She also was doing missions because she didn't know that she herself was pregnant yet. After Dan Died she found that she was pregnant with his child which caused her to go even more into the depression that led her to leave the village. I think after Dan died she stayed in the village long enough to give birth to Minato and then she put him up for adoption and left the village.

    Years later Jiriaya trained Minato because he loved Tsunade so much. Basically Jiriaya felt like Minato could have been his kid and he wanted to be a father to Tsunade's kid becuase of his love for her. So he trained Minato and they did gain a father son bond which later resulted in Jiriaya ironically becoming naruto's God Father. Tsunade probably never told Minato that he was her kid, but all the elders of Konoha knew because they knew she put him up for adoption as a baby, which made Minato a member of the Senju clan which helped increase his chances of becoming hokage.

    The genius of kishimoto can truly be seen if this theory is true. For many reasons:

    1-It will be important in naruto becoming a full pledge ninja because he might develop some of Shodai's power to allow him to control the demon fox or it might help explain why he is able to finally control the demon fox with his own chakra. It would also build up the tension between Sasuke and Naruto if naruto was a true Senju clan member.
    2-It fit perfectly with the irony of Jiriaya's story/character. Jiriaya failed in love eventhough and Dan won out. Jiriaya could have been Minato's father, but he ended up becoming Minato's Sensei and Foster father figure anyway. Eventhough he failed in love with Tsunade he was still able to become part of Minato's family and even became naruto's God father.
    3-It would fit perfectly with Tsunade's dynamic with naruto and her troubled past storyline. It would also be amazing if naruto did find out Tsunade was his grandmother right before she died. Also Tsunade would then be in a position to be the one to reveal naruto's entire lineage to him. It would also make sense why she was so willing to bet the necklace with naruto because he is part of the Senju clan as well.
    Naruto calls the Raikage Grandpa.. He must be his grandfather, omg , you r right..
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    Quote Originally Posted by Lux View Post
    Naruto calls the Raikage Grandpa.. He must be his grandfather, omg , you r right..
    okay smart az what about everything else him callin her grandma justs adds 2 all the other stuff. Seems like much more than an coincidence
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    Quote Originally Posted by Getto Mazou View Post
    okay smart az what about everything else him callin her grandma justs adds 2 all the other stuff. Seems like much more than an coincidence
    About all the other stuff you are maybe right :P Dunno we will have to see, but hardly..
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    When j-man went to get tsunade he took naruto hoping he would convice her 2 come back
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    Not really trying to convice any one just thought that all this stuff was interesting
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    Quote Originally Posted by Narutohokage7 View Post
    No.. a family that cares deeply for each other. Minato saw that Bee loved Ay with all his heart and would die for him. Minato with the will of fire seeing Konoha as a family meant that his comrades would die for him.
    Maybe youre right but minato said they both COME from great families then right after that he said we will meet again as kages
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    That's an interesting theory, I guess we'll see in time if the theory's true. Good theory. :D
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

    Yes I saw that on another site last week.. But to add my two cents in I would like to ask the experts a simple questions and just take a few seconds to think about it.. I honestly do believe that Granny is Minato's mother for real.
    Just think about this, If Tsunade is the last living Senju and she dies, wouldn't that be the end of the greatest Clan?
    There are two possibilities, 1. Tsunade will not die because if she is the only Senju and she dies, this will be the end of Senju vs Uchiha rivalry.
    2. If she does die, then Naruto is a true Senju..
     
         

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    Re: What did minato mean

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    LOL! This summed up the thread for me :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Getto Mazou View Post
    Maybe youre right but minato said they both COME from great families then right after that he said we will meet again as kages
    A person could always say that other people are their family, much like sometimes close friends really do become part of the family because they've been accustomed with. Anything they say you really should not take literally. Also, when he said " putting the title Kage on the line ". I took it as his confidence on becoming the next kage, from his skills.
     
         
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