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    SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    Okay, so non-sick/blind Itachi would beat Sasori, as he is simply better, but how would sick, near-blind Itachi do against Sasori? As is obvious, Edo Itachi (manga chapter 551) isn't sick itachi, but Optimum Itachi. So, instead of Sasuke showing up to fight Itachi, Sasori does...

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    Sasori is literally the worse possible match for Itachi for 2 main reasons: his strengths are itachi's weaknesses. Itachi's weakness is fighting prolonged matches against strong opponents. Since he can't do this, he resorts to strong genjutsu's to end a match quickly.

    Sasori, as a puppet, has literally infinite stamina. Thus he can control the pace of the battle and outlast most opponents. He can prolong a match against sick itachi, until overuse of MS, or low stamina makes him succumb to his sickness, or until he simply passes out.
    Itachi would have to resort to strong genjutsu's to end the match quickly, but this is a problem.

    3 things almost everyone (including sasori fans) ignore when talking about him in vs. threads

    1. Genjutsu's don't work on him. This has been long debated, but simply using the facts from the manga/anime, the fact is that he only has a heart. The real sasori is his heart. He doesn't have a brain IN his heart, like some say, because it is stated that he only has a heart/is a heart, not has his lungs, brain, spleen, stomach, liver, kidneys, etc. in his heart container. Without a brain, no genjutsu can work, since genjutsu's are illusionary images that use the physical brain of an opponent.

    Jiraiya's explanation to Naruto showed that genjutsu's messes with chakra in the 'head,' i.e. the cranial nerve (brain)- Sasori doesn't have chakra in the 'head.' Sasori also doesn’t have a normal Chakra circulation System (CCS). He only has a heart that projects chakra threads through his fingers, or from a right cavity. A genjutsu would paralyze his body via his chakra that runs through his body, but with a puppet body (no CCS), his body would not be paralyzed. Basically, only the chakra in his heart would be distorted, but w/o a brain, no genjutsu would actually do anything.

    For those who know of ghost in the shell, consider cyberbrains- not physical brains you, but they are cybernetic computer brains. That which would work on a normal brain would not work on such a computer brain, thus to say genjutsu's work on a puppet is like saying one would work on a robot. Now this is not to insult readers, because I admit that it makes no sense. Sasori can stand in a cloud of gas and not die, since he doesn't breath. But w/o oxygen, how does his heart cells not die- w/o lungs, how is his heart sustained? He shouldn't be able to live. Same w/thinking w/o a brain- it doesn't make sense, but going strictly on the manga/anime that says that he only has a brain, I must say that he somehow thinks w/o a brain. Kishi perhaps needs a lesson in biology (or he should have explained Sasori's biological makeup), but the fact remains that people should take that up with him. My stance is that genjutsu's thus don't work on a puppet.

    2. Itachi pulls out susanoo, would it would be over for Sasori? Poison gas & poison from smoke bombs CAN go through susanoo. This should be obvious- susanoo is only a chakra form, which is energy. Gas can go through it as it isn't solid. Air/gas has to pass through susanoo or else Itachi would suffocate. It isn't sealed. When Mei faces Sasuke, though his susanoo is incomplete, her acidic mist (gas) slips right pass the chakra of susanno and melts it's ribs. And again, those ribs were inside Susnaoo's chakra cloak. A better example- Danzo's Baku used a wind/air vacuum against an almost complete Susnaoo. Not only was Susnaoo pulled forward, but sasuke INSIDE Susanoo was also pulled forward/sucked in, where he then used a fire jutsu that went thru Susanoo- so air/gas can go thru it. Back to Mei- on the manga page AFTER the bones first begin to melt, one can see sasuke's arm is burned- the mist went thru. So yes, poison gas can go through susanoo (SEE THE BOTTOM FOR MANGA SCANS)

    Everyone also forgets that Sasori has 2 rotary wind blades on either side of him, allowing him to fly. Thus he can easily fly outside of the range of Susanoo's sword, while dropping endless poison gas bombs on Itachi, until the entire battlefield is gassed.

    Some say itachi can hold his breath. It is implied that Itachi had TB, as he coughed up blood in his match against sasuke. TB=respiratory illness. He wouldn't be able to hold his breath for long. Some say he could do what Sakura did. Yet Chiyo said it was reckless- it's a miracle Sakura survived. Yet even though she did, she was unconscious after using an exploding tag. Chiyo had to nurse her back to consciousness- who would nurse itachi back to consciousness? And the second he went out of it, Susanoo would disperse


    3. Everyone jumps on the Amaterasu bandwagon, yet this might be the worse possible thing Itachi could do. First, Iron sand can easily block ammy. Sasori can switch his heart into another puppet case in a split second, before Ammy burns the puppet completely. He could then attach puppet strings to the former Sasori (empty shell now ignited) and send it towards Itachi. Contrary to what many say, Ammy doesn't burn 'as hot as the sun,' i.e. burn anything to ashes automatically, as can be seen with the Samurai armor in the Land of Iron, and the Raikage's arm, and even the trees/leaves of the Uchiha forest (lit by Itachi's ammy), where not even a single leaf burned.

    Only if Itachi constantly focuses on an object will it burn quickly. With sasuke, sasuke himself was caught on fire then shed his skin, which is why it burned so quickly- the trees around the Uchiha hideout were caught on fire yet burned slowly- not even 1 tree burned down. So sasori wouldn't just burn to ashes quickly.

    Even more, imagine 100 puppets, all caught on black flames & with poison weapons, flying at you at once! If Itachi used ammy against the 100 puppets, then he might incinerate some of them, but would only ignite most of them- Sasori's 100 puppet jutsu would be 100x deadlier! Itachi would inevitably be caught on fire by his own flames (everyone forgets that the user of ammy is not immune to his own black flames). I assume that Itachi can put out his own flames (despite the fact that narutopedia says only sasuke can), but he would have to concentrate on putting out the flames engulfing him while not being re-ignited by more puppets flying at him. So he would probably be re-ignited by black flames.

    And during this time of he'd have to not be so much as scratched by 1 poison weapon. He'd have to resort to Susanoo to defend himself, which requires great strain. Ammy also can't burn chakra/chakra strings like some say (I don't think so, but like many things here, I could be wrong).


    Even more, ,with Sasori flying with his wind blades, Itachi couldn't hit him if he flies high and is dropping poison gas bombs. It's like trying to hit a fly with a gun.

    Itach's fire element jutsu's are mid-range. Not getting hit with poison needles is hard at close range while doing a jutsu (itachi couldn't dog 2 shuriken at mid range while about to do a jutsu), and IF sasori gets on fire, then he can switch bodies and send the ignited puppet at Itachi, or put the fire out with a water scroll jutsu.

    Some say Itachi could just make shadow clones and sit back and study Sasori's movements- Sasori could also make sand clones and study Itahci's movements (oops- sand clones is anime only)- both have a 5 rating of intelligence in the Naruto STATbook. Sasori is said to be slow by many, yet he has a 4.5 rating of speed in the stat book- faster than Kakuzu, as fast as Sasuke and Kakashi.

    Even more, with Sasori in Hiruko, Itachi might try to use that MS genjutsu on Sasori, and thus would waste chakra before realizing that Sasori was a puppet that couldn't fall for genjutsu (and rememer, after doing that wiht Sasuke, Itachi almost went blind).

    Using/sustaining Susnaoo on low chakra levels is also what probably killed Itachi, so using it a lot with Sasori would = death.
    The stamina factor alone is Itachi's weakness against Sasori, such that Sasori would be able to control the match and use poison to perhaps win. I'm neither a Sasori fan or an Itachi fan btw, so I readily admit that Itachi would win in his prime (not going blind, and not sick). Fan=fanatic, btw, and I'm not a fanatic of any character.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention that using ammy against Iron Sand will also make it 10x deadlier- if the sand ignites, then Sasori can send that ignited Iron sand towards Itachi. Even more, eevry Iron sand jutsu will be deadlier since it will be ignited with black flames. Imagin Iron Sand World Order while ignited with black flames, and it's already impossible to dodge. Same with IS bullets and spikes. While ignited, it will igntite the battlefield, and force Itachi into a corner, while igniting susanoo. He will have to take time to put the flames out, allowing Sasori to create a diversion and attack from another angle, i.e poison gas.

    EDIT: The Y.Magatama, Itachi's long range jutsu, based on the single feat seen, is the same size and speed as Naruto's Rasenshuriken, which is pretty easy to dodge while on the ground, thus much easier while airborne. Thus it is my beleif that a flying Sasori could dodge the Magatama, in the same way that he could dodge the FRasengshuriken.

    EDIT: An 'end of the fight' scenario to consider: while on an open battlefield that is completely gassed, idk if itachi has a body flicker fast/effecient enough to avoid that gas completely. Even so, while in Susanoo, using a Kage Bunshin explosion or flicker would be impossible, lest he blow himself up. Thus, he'd have to disable Susanoo, do a body flicker to some place, then detonate the KB, to disperse the gas. Ironically, disabling susnaoo puts Itachi in danger. Sasori can rain poison needles and more gas bombs on Itachi, and can even use the poisoned cable coiled in his center, to shoot it at Itachi. In a word, a flurry of poison attacks will rain on Itachi, forcing him to put susanoo back up. Thus, it might go like this:

    Itachi w/susanoo up--Sasori drops endless poison gas bombs--Itachi holds breath and makes clone, disables susanoo and flickers away-- KB explosion while Sasori takes advantage of Itachi w/o susanoo, raining attacks on him-- Itachi is forced to put susanoo back up. Sasori rains poison gas bombs on him... AND THE CYCLE CONTINUES. At BEST, Itachi would be on the defensive, and would simply be surviving the attacks (barely). With that, Sasori can just keep doing this until Itachi gives out due to his illness, which wouldn't take long with that type of cycle. Again, a person with TB (a respiratory illness. Btw, many anime's show TB, ie.. coughing blood, since it was a huge killer during feudal japan when ninja's & samurai's were used) can't hold their breath long, and to even flicker away from the gas after disabling susanoo, he'd have to hold his breath for certain periods. He'd have to constantly hold his breath and active-deactive susanoo, which will put great strain on his body. So can Itachi beat Sasori without dying himself?

    Even worse, with Itachi almost going blind, ONCE he goes blind, he wouldn't be able to use MS at all- meaning, no Ammy, no susnaoo, etc. and he will be blind. Thus he will be a sitting duck (for the most part). Thus overuse of MS/Susanoo would equal either death or blindness,the latter whcih would result in death, since no Susanoo against Sasori= probable death. When having used 2 ammy's and some fire jutsu's and Susanoo against Sasuke, his eyes were both almost completely out- he couldn't use Susanoo much longer, and again, he was dying due to the illness and use of Susanoo on low chakra levels. Even Zetsu commented on how bad Itachi's reflexes were. For those saying the Yata mirror can block poison gas- idk, since the combustion of poison gas bombs is an attack and thus would be blocked, but the actual poison GAS is not an attack anymore than oxygen/gas/air is, and if the Yata mirror blocks attacks, then I don't see how it will block oxygenn/air/poison gas, since air isn't an attack.

    Chiyo's sealing device, once it hits the target, seals instantly, just like Ammy & Susanoo, once they hit; yet Sasori instantly switched his heart right when it was hitting him- he can counter Ammy & Susanoo.

    Ammy isn't instant at all to the best of my knowledge- it depends on the distance to the target. Gaara was far from Sasuke, so Ammy dind't light him on fire at Sasuke's focus, since the sand intercepted it. If Lee was fast enough to overcome gaara's sand, then 'instant Ammy' wasn't, cause it isn't instant: Lee was faster than ammy & he isn't 'instant!' If Sasori is far, he can switch bodies instantly before being ignited, or use IS to block it.


    Manga scans:
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-398-2/...apter-393.html
    ^See, Susanoo mainly killed Itachi

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Sand_World_Order
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Sand_Drizzle
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Sand_ ... ng_Assault

    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c464/12.html
    ^ The mid pic shows the black flames being stopped by the sand, and the fire goes out immediately. So I don't see ammy melting the Iron Sand.

    http://www.narutopod.com/manga/Narut...82/002.jpg.php
    http://www.narutopod.com/manga/Narut..._14-15.png.php
    ^ Here you can see that one of his eyes already lost the sharingan.

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-395-16...apter-390.html
    ^ Take a look at Itachi's Ammy eye- it is out.

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-397-15...apter-392.html
    ^By this point, BOTH of Itachi's eyes are out

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-34416-...apter-466.html
    ^ The bones are inside the chakra cloak, and they melt
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-34416-...apter-466.html
    ^Bottom- Sasuke's arm is burned. The mist went thru
    http://www.narutopod.com/manga/Narut...479/08.jpg.php
    ^ Air/gas going thru almost complete Susanoo

    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v31/c272/3.html
    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v31/c272/4.html
    ^Sasori flying. Note that Sakura is pulling on the cord/cable in his center while he's flying with wind blades. He is flying low (not as high as I said in my scenarios) but since he has wind blades on either side, acting like propellers, I see know reason why he can't fly higher.

    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v42/c389/2.html
    ^there was no trickle of blood from his eye, whihc always precedes Ammy flames. He just closed his eye and did seals for a fire jutsu. To me this means that if Itachi was in the process of doing a jutsu, he wouldn't be able to dodge poison attacks from Sasori any better than he could dodge Sasuke's shurikens

    Sig- Everyone, please read EEVRYTHING before replying, and please REFUTE my points if you are in favor of ITachi, instead of just posting one-line opinions based on nothing. Please be respectful and civil- I haven't given disrespect to anyone and hope to not receiev any. Thx
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    For those who continue to use the 'Sakura or Sakura and Chiyo beat Sasori, so he's weak' thing (which isn't an argument anyway) please read the spoiler tags- I refute that misconception:

    #1 Misconception 'Sasori was defeated by Sakura'
    This takes the cake by far for the most biased, foolish misconception there is in NF. It is amazing- it requires one to literally ignore the very underrated Chiyo, as if she wasn't even in the battle. Any other 2 nin from Konoha wouldn't do as well as they did (other than Tsunade + ___). Sakura=talented medical nin w/antidote. Chiyo is passed off as an 'old hag' (Tsunade is an old hag too? She doesn't look old so biased fans don't pass her off as weak just because she's old. Sarutobi, Madara, Danzo, Tsunade, etc. are never called 'old hags.' Biased). She's a legendary Kage level puppeteer. No on else had as much knowledge on Sasori as her (which is why the Sand called on her in the 1st place). She knew of Hiruko, knew of the 3rd Kazekage/Iron Sand ability, figured out the heart container being the real Sasori, and last but not least, was the person who taught Sasori the puppet jutsu! Only strong puppeteers can face other Kage-level puppeteers- Sasori had the worse possible match-up against a medic nin trained by Tsunade (w/an antidote) and a Kage level puppeteer that knew him in and out (for the most part/generally).The most obvious thing is this- was Sakura the one who killed Sasori? Wasn't it Chiyo at the end who did that? Didn't she do most of the work that actually resulted in damage to Sasori? Is Sakura a puppeteer- I thought Chiyo used ma and pa puppets to impale sasori- Sakura did? ? I thought Sakura was collapsed on the ground with a poisoned blade through her gut as she yelped in pain. So Sasori defeated Sakura, or Sakura defeated Sasori? Did Sakura grow some Sharingan and copy Chiyo's jutsu, and magically become a puppeteer at the end? Was it one big optical illusion, where it appeared that chiyo killed Sasori, but it was really Sakura? Then why would anyone say Sakura defeated Sasori? An intermission- 99% of nin couldn't defeat Sasori 1 on 1 (yes, for Chiyo/Sakura it was 2 against 1. Mindless puppets don't count, since it was 2 thinking beings vs 1 thinking being). Tsunade wouldn't do exceedingly better against Sasori ALONE then Sakura would- and Sakura would have been killed in the first 15 seconds w/o Chiyo helping her with chakra strings. And poison is not the only thing sasori can do, so it's not like 'if you have an antidote, then you will win.' 99% of nin aren't medic nins w/Sakura's abilities (since she does have abilities). 99% aren't skilled puppeteers that knew Sasori so well. If Sakura could do antidotes/use super strength, then most can't. So the argument of 'if sakura can beat him/do it, then ___ could' is nonsense, since it completely negates Chiyo, and most can't do what Sakura can. The 'Sasori is weak' thing is nonsense- Kishi himself put Sasori in the top 10 strongest fighters in the Naruto universe, for the 1st part of Shippuden. (Note that Jiraiya was #1 I think). But 'Sakura defeated the Kazekage puppet!' Ummm... but that wasn't defeating Sasori (she tricked him- he had no way of knowing that she had an antidote. Even in part 1, Sakura was always intelligent even when not strong in combat). But 'Sakura punched Sasori to pieces.' Ummm... he remade himself and was literally unscathed. But 'sakura threw that sealing device at Sasori.' Ummm... He switched bodies and was again literally unscathed. So no, Sakura didn't defeat Sasori anymore than Naruto defeated Zabuza (for saving Kakashi and turning Zabuza to the light), or anymore than Hinata defeated Pain (for saving Naruto and provoking him into KM, which turned the tide of the battle), or anymore than Lee defeated Kimimorro (for helping Gaara, yet the K man died due to his illness). Sakura helped- that's it.That's why the manga chapter is called CHIYO vs Sasori, not Sakura vs Sasori.
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    The 2nd part of that misconception:

    1b. 'Sasori lost to Sakura and chiyo'
    This is also basically wrong. It's amazing- sasori didn't lose to them anymore than Itachi lost to his baby brother (who didn't even have MS- how embarrassing. I can't imagine losing in a fight to my baby brother that is 7 years younger. I’m being sarcastic of course so people who bash Sasori can see how they sound)- both CHOSE to die. People have no problem admitting that Itachi had Sasuke beat but chose to die, having planned to die- but people have a problem admitting it for Sasori. Biased. If Sakura & Chiyo beat Sasori fair and square, then Sasuke beat Itachi fair and square, and Lee/Gaara beat Kimm. fair and square. In all such cases, the person left alive won by DEFAULT. Itachi could have chosen to lose to Chiyo/Sakura, or even to the weakest Genin of Konoha- if he CHOSE to die, then that wouldn't make him weak. Choosing to lose doesn't =being beaten. Sarutobi could have dodged the Kusanagi attack- no one argues with that, because Oro said it. Hiruzen chose not to dodge it so he could seal Oro and die in the process. Did Madara beat Minato because in the end Minato died by his own CHOICE after having beat Madara? Madara was the 'last man standing.' So did he win? No- no one says that. Yet people swear Sasori couldn't dodge that last attack though Chiyo says otherwise. Biased. Kimimorro died by his sickness, and wasn't defeated by either shinobi, and he died right before putting a bone attack right through Gaara's skull. Gaara admitted that he lost. Does anyone deny that? No. Chiyo said she/they lost. Do people swear she was speaking nonsense? Yes. Biased. Shikamaru had Temari in a corner during the Chunin exams, then he forfeited, so she won by default. Who had who beat? Was Deidara killed by Sasuke if he blew himself up while Sasuke had no interest in fighting anymore? So Sasori lost to those 2 by choosing to die? Proof that Sasori did choose to die- w/the Iron Sand bullets, after Granny & Sakura had no more shields left, he could have killed them if he did the attack ONE more time- ma and pa puppets were out of chakra shields. He didn't do the attack again. Hmm.. I wonder why (though I admit it might have been plot protection. The fact is Sakura and Chiyo had to live, Sasori didn't. W/o PP, they would have died early on). Sasori still had a 4th scroll in the back of his puppet body (3 & 4 in the manga), probably w/a super-strong puppet/jutsu (since the power of each jutsu was increasing as he went down the scrolls- from fire to 100 puppets), but he never used them in the entire fight. Hmmm... I wonder why. Sasori had ~300 puppets in his arsenal, yet he used ~101- that means that he didn't use even ½ of his true power/puppets against them. Hmmm. I wonder why (was he holding back considerably in the fight? So far it seems so).When Sakura threw that sealing device at Sasori, he could have dodged it easily, having many seconds (or he could have blocked it w/fodder puppets, i.e. hit it to divert it's path). He didn't. Hmm... I wonder why. When he switched his heart, out of the many puppets that he could have switched to, he switched to a puppet body right behind the ma and pa puppets. Hmmm... I wonder why. Since Chiyo and Sakura destroyed ONLY HALF of his 100 at most (not 100 or 122 like some say), and since his new puppet body was literally an exact image of his old one, he could have resurrected the remaining puppets (from the 100) w/chakra strings, and killed them, but he didn't. Hmm... I wonder why. I wonder about all of these 'coincidences.' Could it be because Sasori planned his death and chose to die in the 'loving' embrace of his ma and pa (to receive their love) JUST LIKE THE ANIME AND MANGA EXPLICITLY SAY via Chiyo and flashback imagery? But what is this- Sasori won before he even gave up, and they later won by default. How do I know this? At the end, Chiyo was on the ground poisoned and going numb (like Kankuro). Sakura had a poisoned blade running through her gut- she collapsed to the ground yelping in pain. Last man standing? That be Sasori. For those saying Sasori 'might' have won if he dodged the attack- what? He didn't have to do ANYTHING else- they were already beaten! He was literally in the same state that he was in at the beginning of the fight (w/ less chakra though)- literally unscathed (since again, the real Sasori is the heart container, not the puppet body. He can have his puppet body broken and shattered and sealed endlessly, if he goes into another body, then he's unscathed. He's almost immortal). He still had infinite stamina, not '2x the stamina of Chiyo & Sakura' like some say. I repeat- INFINTIE STAMINA, even at the end of the fight. They were done for. He could have casually dropped an exploding tag on them and slowly, casually walked away with a yawn (in the least, Sakura, who couldn’t even move, would have been blown to bits. And Granny was going numb, so she probably would to). Just like he beat Kankuro, but left knowing Kankuro was as good as dead, he beat those 2 and could have simply left them, knowing they were toast. Sakura in the least, needed immediate medical attention (all the more reason why I can't believe anyone would say Sakura, who was on the ground dying with a blade running through her, 'beat Sasori'). Why then did he pointlessly run forward right into an attack, for seemingly no reason, accept to die? He's a long range fighter anyway- he didn't need to use CQC. Obviously he ran forward to die like he wanted to, explaining why he chose that puppet body to transfer his heart into (right behind the ma and pa puppets). And w/~200 puppets left, he could have summoned 1 to finish killing Chiyo and Sakura from a distance, and then just left. Thus it is nigh impossible to say he 'wouldn't have won if he did dodge the attack.' Some come up with another thing because it seems people will come up with every conceivable argument do ignore what is right in the Manga/anime- they say 'He was too slow to dodge the attack.' With a 4.5 speed stat, and seeing through the attack, it is impossible that he couldn't have dodged that, and once again, he had no reason to go closer to them instead of attacking them from long range. And he could have switched his heart again in a split second, so no, he could have dodged it with ease. So sasori was holding back from the point that he saw ma and pa, all the while planning to die in their embrace. After beating the 2, he chose to die/lose (like Itachi did after 'beating' Sasuke). The evidence suggests my conclusion- this is rational, non-biased, objective thinking. Did Sarutobi choose to die- did Shikam. choose to forfeit- did Kimm die via sickness before beating Gaara- did Deidara blow himself up- did Zabuza choose defeat to do what was right? Yes. Did Itachi or Sasori lose their fights? No. End of story.
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    I'm not sure if Sasori's puppets would be enough to break Susanoo
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    omfg u wrote so much im going with itachi still but sasori might win its very close
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    iron sand is sassoris strongest tech and it couldnt beat susanoo
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    I'M GOING TO SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME FOR EVERYONE TO READ- PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BEFORE RESPONDING, AND REFUTE IT POINT BY POINT IF YOU SAY ITACHI, INSTEAD OF WRITING ONE-LINE OPINIONS BASED ON NOTHING (in caps for emphasis, not to be rude).

    Btw, for those who will try and trash this thread, a bad argument should easily be refuted- if my argument is so bad/ridiculous, then it should be easily refuted: if it took me 30 minutes to write this, then it should take 5 minutes (1/6 the time) to refute everything, point by point, so I await the 5 minute refutation of everything written.

    Again, if you disagree, please refute my points. I have NO problem admitting even sick Itachi can win, but I leave it up to people too explain HOW he would win, with an analysis, refutation and scenarios. Again, an opinion + NO explanation = biased theory. An opinion + explanation= argument that can be debated. I'm here to debate. Simply saying 'sasori would win,' or 'Itachi would win' isn't an argument, but a biased opinion. Please refute the points folks (I say this with all due respect, and with no offense meant). Thx

    And btw, can someone make sure the links are fine? Didn't have time to check them all.
     
         
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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    well no matter what +rep i mean this work is insane and i agree

    i always thought hebi sasuke would lose to sasori and i agree with the whole sakura and chiyo which nobdy seems to understand

    sasori vs a blind/sick itachi would lost likely lose to sasori so once again i agree
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    Itachi would win with a lot of difficulty
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    @ kam
    I respect anyone's opinion even if it is different from my own, but i say this again:

    "I'M GOING TO SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME FOR EVERYONE TO READ- PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BEFORE RESPONDING, AND REFUTE IT POINT BY POINT IF YOU SAY ITACHI, INSTEAD OF WRITING ONE-LINE OPINIONS BASED ON NOTHING (in caps for emphasis, not to be rude).

    Btw, for those who will try and trash this thread, a bad argument should easily be refuted- if my argument is so bad/ridiculous, then it should be easily refuted: if it took me 30 minutes to write this, then it should take 5 minutes (1/6 the time) to refute everything, point by point, so I await the 5 minute refutation of everything written.

    Again, if you disagree, please refute my points. I have NO problem admitting even sick Itachi can win, but I leave it up to people too explain HOW he would win, with an analysis, refutation and scenarios. Again, an opinion + NO explanation = biased theory. An opinion + explanation= argument that can be debated. I'm here to debate. Simply saying 'sasori would win,' or 'Itachi would win' isn't an argument, but a biased opinion. Please refute the points folks (I say this with all due respect, and with no offense meant). Thx"

    I reposted this because NOT ONE PERSON who has said Itachi would win has debated/analyzed/refuted my arguments point by point, or explained how he would win.
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    You got a point. Sasori being an almost-puppet is at an advantage. He can prolong the fight since he's a puppet already. But the only disadvantage he has is his heart. Itachi obviously knows his weakness since they are fellow memebers of Akatsuki. Itachi can just use his Susanoo to stab Sasori's heart.

    But I think it would be a pretty interesting match. It could lead to a tie or something.
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    I know you were trying to get your point across, but dude you wrote a research paper, but then again do whatever you need to prove your case. You make a great arguement, and sorry I'm kind of too busy at the moment to go and refute you point by point, but in my opinion I think Itachi would win. Sasori is a great ninja and mad strong, (not sure if it work on Sasori since he's a puppet too) but i think that if Itachi catches Sasori in Tskuyomi it would be over. As for the puppets, I think Itachi's Amaterasu would deal with them. But if he really wanted to end the battle quick Susanoo would be a great choice. The Sword of Totsuka would be good for sealing Sasori, but since he likes long ranged battles Itachi could use Yasaka Magatama.
     
         
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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    Idk, great points, u didnt write any senseless crap. Good job but, what if Itachi hits with amatarasu, before Sasori flies, etc. Itachi is a genius and wud figure his ways out, trust me. Itachi is jus too OP but Sasori has more of a chance to beat him then anyone in the akatsuki except Madara or Nagato.
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    @ C Namikaze
    True, but seeing the heart and hitting it are 2 different things, especially since Sasori is a long range fighter. Note that when sasori uses Iron Sand he doens't take off his cloak yet, so only AFTER than does he take his cloak off to reveal his heart. And in true form he can fly, avoiding the sword. So how will Itachi hit it? Again, Sharingan isn't the Byu.. (grrr. The Hyuga dojutsu. Can't spell it!), and to the best of my knowledge, ONLY Sasuke's sharingan can see the different colors of chakra thru objects.

    @kingofsharingan
    I'm not sure if you read the OP or not. I don't think you did, since you mentioned Genjutsu, Ammy and Magatama and the sword of T- ALL of which i talked about. Are people just ignoring the OP?

    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v29/c259/11.html
    ^ Jiraiya talks about how genjutsu works. And see the page before that for the 'cranial nerve' bit.

    @ Minato

    True, but i see Itachi using Ammy on Iron sand (whcih would block it) too much. itahci can't spam jutsu's since he's sick. A few Ammy's plus susanoo and Itachi's coughing up blood.
     
         
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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    Yeah I read like half of it. Might be the best argument in NV history.
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    Please see^ post, kingofsharingan
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    Really? All that just to prove that Sasori wins? Which most people would accept anyway. But, let me ask you, do you feel vindicated? Was it really worth wasting what was probably an hour writing all that, looking shit up, just to prove such a simple fact? You sir, are the loser here -_-
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    @Dragonfly X

    That took me about half an hour. And i thought we were here to debate on certain characters, which is what I have done- why in heaven's name do you get hostile when I have given no one here disrespect? I haven't said one rude thing to you, have I? Yet since I try to be mature, I will not retort with an uncivil comment- I will intead, wish you well, since my argument upsets you so much. So here- I hope you have a good day. In fact, I hope you have the best day you have ever had. See, I'm the mature one, so no, I definately am not the loser here. The one who insults others without provocation is...
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    I understand why you wrote this. Many people still think Itachi is God. However, the battle can go both ways in the Narutoverse no matter who is facing each other.

    Many people say Itachi can spam Susanoo without looking at the main facts such as: it wasting too much chakra and put the user at risk. Susanoo also is useless against Sasori because he is a long distance fighter, so him even getting close to Itachi to use Susanoo would be unlikely. IDk about the poisoness gas Sasori can use against Itachi, but looking a Mei Vs. Sasuke fight during the "Kage Summit" it can be possible. Also, being that Itachi is sick could be disadvantage that would cause Sasori to win.
     
         

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    Re: SICK/Near Blind Itacih vs Sasori

    Waiting for someone to validate that the links work

    EDIT: NEver mind, I did it my self. Only note that one link is wrong- the 3rd link for Sasori's Iron Sand jutsu's was supposed to be for Iron Sand Gathering Assualt:

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Sa...hering_Assault

    And remember the Iron Sand spikes jutsu!

    EDIT: My OP was an analysis, not a battle scenario. But a few things:

    Itachi gets past Hiruko, obviously w/o susnaoo.

    Kazekage puppet- Iron Sand drizzle and Iron Sand World Order are almost impossibel to dodge- w/o super strength, IS Gathering Assault is dodgeable but he can't punch them back (he will only be on defensive). Thus that means using susnaoo for defensive purposes quite a lot.

    He gets past Kazekage puppet and to Sasori himself. Sasori skips true form and uses 100 puppets. Itachi thus uses susanoo for defensive measures again, and destroys all 100 puppets (offensive measures too).

    Sasori true form busts out and goes airborne, dropping poison gas bombs- Itachi uses susanoo for offensive & defensive measures- again. That doesn't even count the Ammy's and MS genjutsu that he would do. All that susnaoo use, due to defending against undodgeable jutsu's = death for sick Itachi.

    Also, since the real Sasori is just the heart and he keeps HIMSELF together with puppetry, he can easily disassembly any part of him that gets ignited with black flames (i.e. an arm, leg) and even send it towards Itachi- as long as it doesn't get his heart. Or he can switch bodies to another puppet and send the ignited body towards Itachi.
     
         
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