Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

[MrAnalytical]

Paintachi said on my Itachi thread that Hebi Sasuke is stronger than Sasori... So, what are people's thoughts?

Full intel
Going for the kill
Location: where Itachi fought Sasuke

Stipulation: assume that Oro's immunity to poison doesn't mean all poison, i.e. not Sasori's poison.

I won't put an analysis or my thoughts (the only thing i'll say is remember Kirin CAN'T be used in most battle situations, since it takes minutes to conjure up. Itahci allowed it only since he wanted to drain sasuke)- just want to know what people think.

[deidara senpai]

without ms i see this in sasoris favor

iron sand i think can most likely block Kirin IMO and one scratch of poison would be really bad for sasuke

if sasuke is like he was before MS i think sasori will win

UNLESS orochimarus 8 serphant technique can be used

[Professor Sarutobi]

Full knowledge, Sasuke. He would know about sasoris heart and his speed and sharingan would let him avoid poison season, he can sub out of getting caught in wires like sakura and his lightning and fire and CM powers could destroy puppets and his chidori spear is perfect for hitting the heart from a distance.

[Professor Sarutobi]

without ms i see this in sasoris favor

iron sand i think can most likely block Kirin IMO and one scratch of poison would be really bad for sasuke

if sasuke is like he was before MS i think sasori will win

UNLESS orochimarus 8 serphant technique can be used

Nothing short of the Tata mirror can block Kirin he would need an ocean of iron sand over him to stop it

[deidara senpai]

Nothing short of the Tata mirror can block Kirin he would need an ocean of iron sand over him to stop it

sasori can make a lot of iron sand the world order thing he used can all be used as a shield big enough to block kirin it just depends how fast sasori can take it out

but now with it full knowledge (i didnt see it before) i might say sasuke

[Shivamcoder3013]

Sasuke is extremely weak without mangekyou sharingan. Sasori can easily beat him.

[deidara senpai]

Sasuke is extremely weak without mangekyou sharingan. Sasori can easily beat him.

i agree sasori wins

but sasuke is not at all weak without it

[Shivamcoder3013]

He only has kirin, chidori, fire style jutsu and and summoning. Isn't the puppet protected from fire style? Sure chidori and kirin can go through it, but sasori would use long range fighting. And sasuke isn't all that strong without mangekyou.

[shyarkugan]

hard to say, but I'd go with Sasuke. Chidori Spear and stream coupled with his sharingan would protect him pretty well defensively and offensive wise. Using the curse mark would also increase his physical speed and strength. all those puppets would eventually get overwhelming so I'd guess Sasuke would be forced to summon Manda to win. Plus he beat Deidara, so that counts for something.

[MrAnalytical]

Please read the OP people- Kirin is near impossible to do in a real fight, since it requries MINUTES (not seconds) to conjure up. Sasori hates to wait- no way he'd sit and watch while sasuke preps Kirin.

Okay, I had to give in- a short analysis- from chidori spear to stream, and even fire jutsu- they are MID range, not long range. Sasori= long range fighter.

To be that close to Sasori (to use chidori spear) to hit his heart means poison needles for Sasuke.
Iron sand world Order, Iron Sand Drizzle and Iron Sand spikes are near impossible to dodge without Susanoo.

Poison gas cloud would be bad for him also- an exploding tag won't help like it did Sakura, since she was unconcious after using it.

Now I argue in Sasuke's favor- chidori current would be a shield against 100 puppets, along with chidori spear, he'd be able to counter them.

Manda would... eat Sasuke if he summoned him and dind't use a genjutsu. So Sasuke could summon other snakes, which would take longer to poison due to big figures.

Chidori senbon could knock out puppet strings.

Fire jutsu could light them on fire, but Sasori has 298, so he'd run out of chakra.

Sasorii can fly with wind blades, and use poison cable, so Sasuke would have to use curse seal mode with chidori, which would help a lot.

In the end, if Sasori is winning, when out of chakra, Oro would appear anyway. Sasori wuold have to use a lot fo poison gas to take out the 8 snakes (assuming it's nerve gas which acts right away, as opposed to liquid gas).

But IS World Order covers the battlefield and can take out many, many snakes, while poisoning them

[MrAnalytical]

EDIT: I said full knowledge, because IMO withuot knowledge Sasuke wouldn't even have a chance. Anyone agree?

[shyarkugan]

Please read the OP people- Kirin is near impossible to do in a real fight, since it requries MINUTES (not seconds) to conjure up. Sasori hates to wait- no way he'd sit and watch while sasuke preps Kirin.

Okay, I had to give in- a short analysis- from chidori spear to stream, and even fire jutsu- they are MID range, not long range. Sasori= long range fighter.

To be that close to Sasori (to use chidori spear) to hit his heart means poison needles for Sasuke.
Iron sand world Order, Iron Sand Drizzle and Iron Sand spikes are near impossible to dodge without Susanoo.

Poison gas cloud would be bad for him also- an exploding tag won't help like it did Sakura, since she was unconcious after using it.

Now I argue in Sasuke's favor- chidori current would be a shield against 100 puppets, along with chidori spear, he'd be able to counter them.

Manda would... eat Sasuke if he summoned him and dind't use a genjutsu. So Sasuke could summon other snakes, which would take longer to poison due to big figures.

Chidori senbon could knock out puppet strings.

Fire jutsu could light them on fire, but Sasori has 298, so he'd run out of chakra.

Sasorii can fly with wind blades, and use poison cable, so Sasuke would have to use curse seal mode with chidori, which would help a lot.

In the end, if Sasori is winning, when out of chakra, Oro would appear anyway. Sasori wuold have to use a lot fo poison gas to take out the 8 snakes (assuming it's nerve gas which acts right away, as opposed to liquid gas).

But IS World Order covers the battlefield and can take out many, many snakes, while poisoning them

THIS is what I like to see in VS threads, this makes these so much more fun.

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Sakura was able to analyze Sasori's movements WITHOUT the Sharingan. She watched his finger movements.

Sasuke would be able to use his Sharingan to decipher the movements much better.

I'd say that Sasuke would pull through.

[MrAnalytical]

Btw, forgot to say this, but when Sasuke is drained of chakra, and Oro appears, people act like Sasori is done for. But wouldn't sasuke also be done for? I mean, Oro wanted to steal Sasuke's body, so once Sasuke is down and out, what reason does he have to fight Sasori? He won't be fighting FOR sasuke, but AGAINST Sasuke. So even if he downs Sasori, Sasuke's done for- making it a weird tie (weird since that makes it Oro vs Sasuke vs Sasori, where the last 2 might be tired from the fight). Sasori could actually watch while Oro takes over Sasuke, then fly away dropping poison gas.

Also, against the Kazekage puppet, Sasuke's shurikens and pesky lightning sword would not only not work, but could be used against Sasuke to attack him, since they are metal.

@ EYes
How would Sasuke block Iron Sand jutsu that are impossible (pretty much) to dodge? Simply understanding puppet movements doesn't mean he can counter all of them without being poisoned. Sakura discerned the movements of one jutsu (IS gathering assulat). Don't see Sasuke getting past Iron Sand, and if he does, a flying Sasori can down him with poison gas or the poisoned cable.

[deidara senpai]

Btw, forgot to say this, but when Sasuke is drained of chakra, and Oro appears, people act like Sasori is done for. But wouldn't sasuke also be done for? I mean, Oro wanted to steal Sasuke's body, so once Sasuke is down and out, what reason does he have to fight Sasori? He won't be fighting FOR sasuke, but AGAINST Sasuke. So even if he downs Sasori, Sasuke's done for- making it a weird tie (weird since that makes it Oro vs Sasuke vs Sasori, where the last 2 might be tired from the fight). Sasori could actually watch while Oro takes over Sasuke, then fly away dropping poison gas.

Also, against the Kazekage puppet, Sasuke's shurikens and pesky lightning sword would not only not work, but could be used against Sasuke to attack him, since they are metal.

@ EYes
How would Sasuke block Iron Sand jutsu that are impossible (pretty much) to dodge? Simply understanding puppet movements doesn't mean he can counter all of them without being poisoned. Sakura discerned the movements of one jutsu (IS gathering assulat). Don't see Sasuke getting past Iron Sand, and if he does, a flying Sasori can down him with poison gas or the poisoned cable.

i agree with all of this and i never noticed the orochimaru thing before great point ***** for you my friend

[TJ0001]

if sasuke has full knowledge of sasori i cant say that sasori will win this. however even sasuke with his sharingan will be overwhelmed when he faces 100 puppets. ittle probably be close but sasori will win in my opinion

[MrAnalytical]

Btw, shyarkugan, was that sarcasm? Sorry, I can't tell. It didn't seem like it, but most DON'T like it when I pull out an analysis. So I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not...

[MrAnalytical]

Thanks all for your replies- that's it for me. My time on these forums is up- I'm permanently leaving. I wish you all well. Take care

[Dragonfly X]

Nothing short of the Tata mirror can block Kirin he would need an ocean of iron sand over him to stop it

No, I don't think that is correct, Iron would be electrified by kirin, but it isn't like Kirin would simply melt and destroy right through the iron sand, it would most likely be that the lightning would go into the sand, destroy it, but end there