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    Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Paintachi said on my Itachi thread that Hebi Sasuke is stronger than Sasori... So, what are people's thoughts?

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    Stipulation: assume that Oro's immunity to poison doesn't mean all poison, i.e. not Sasori's poison.

    I won't put an analysis or my thoughts (the only thing i'll say is remember Kirin CAN'T be used in most battle situations, since it takes minutes to conjure up. Itahci allowed it only since he wanted to drain sasuke)- just want to know what people think.
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    without ms i see this in sasoris favor

    iron sand i think can most likely block Kirin IMO and one scratch of poison would be really bad for sasuke

    if sasuke is like he was before MS i think sasori will win

    UNLESS orochimarus 8 serphant technique can be used
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Full knowledge, Sasuke. He would know about sasoris heart and his speed and sharingan would let him avoid poison season, he can sub out of getting caught in wires like sakura and his lightning and fire and CM powers could destroy puppets and his chidori spear is perfect for hitting the heart from a distance.
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

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    without ms i see this in sasoris favor

    iron sand i think can most likely block Kirin IMO and one scratch of poison would be really bad for sasuke

    if sasuke is like he was before MS i think sasori will win

    UNLESS orochimarus 8 serphant technique can be used
    Nothing short of the Tata mirror can block Kirin he would need an ocean of iron sand over him to stop it
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Sarutobi View Post
    Nothing short of the Tata mirror can block Kirin he would need an ocean of iron sand over him to stop it
    sasori can make a lot of iron sand the world order thing he used can all be used as a shield big enough to block kirin it just depends how fast sasori can take it out

    but now with it full knowledge (i didnt see it before) i might say sasuke
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Sasuke is extremely weak without mangekyou sharingan. Sasori can easily beat him.
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Quote Originally Posted by Shivamcoder3013 View Post
    Sasuke is extremely weak without mangekyou sharingan. Sasori can easily beat him.
    i agree sasori wins

    but sasuke is not at all weak without it
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    He only has kirin, chidori, fire style jutsu and and summoning. Isn't the puppet protected from fire style? Sure chidori and kirin can go through it, but sasori would use long range fighting. And sasuke isn't all that strong without mangekyou.
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    hard to say, but I'd go with Sasuke. Chidori Spear and stream coupled with his sharingan would protect him pretty well defensively and offensive wise. Using the curse mark would also increase his physical speed and strength. all those puppets would eventually get overwhelming so I'd guess Sasuke would be forced to summon Manda to win. Plus he beat Deidara, so that counts for something.
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Please read the OP people- Kirin is near impossible to do in a real fight, since it requries MINUTES (not seconds) to conjure up. Sasori hates to wait- no way he'd sit and watch while sasuke preps Kirin.

    Okay, I had to give in- a short analysis- from chidori spear to stream, and even fire jutsu- they are MID range, not long range. Sasori= long range fighter.

    To be that close to Sasori (to use chidori spear) to hit his heart means poison needles for Sasuke.
    Iron sand world Order, Iron Sand Drizzle and Iron Sand spikes are near impossible to dodge without Susanoo.

    Poison gas cloud would be bad for him also- an exploding tag won't help like it did Sakura, since she was unconcious after using it.

    Now I argue in Sasuke's favor- chidori current would be a shield against 100 puppets, along with chidori spear, he'd be able to counter them.

    Manda would... eat Sasuke if he summoned him and dind't use a genjutsu. So Sasuke could summon other snakes, which would take longer to poison due to big figures.

    Chidori senbon could knock out puppet strings.

    Fire jutsu could light them on fire, but Sasori has 298, so he'd run out of chakra.

    Sasorii can fly with wind blades, and use poison cable, so Sasuke would have to use curse seal mode with chidori, which would help a lot.

    In the end, if Sasori is winning, when out of chakra, Oro would appear anyway. Sasori wuold have to use a lot fo poison gas to take out the 8 snakes (assuming it's nerve gas which acts right away, as opposed to liquid gas).

    But IS World Order covers the battlefield and can take out many, many snakes, while poisoning them
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    EDIT: I said full knowledge, because IMO withuot knowledge Sasuke wouldn't even have a chance. Anyone agree?
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnalytical View Post
    Please read the OP people- Kirin is near impossible to do in a real fight, since it requries MINUTES (not seconds) to conjure up. Sasori hates to wait- no way he'd sit and watch while sasuke preps Kirin.

    Okay, I had to give in- a short analysis- from chidori spear to stream, and even fire jutsu- they are MID range, not long range. Sasori= long range fighter.

    To be that close to Sasori (to use chidori spear) to hit his heart means poison needles for Sasuke.
    Iron sand world Order, Iron Sand Drizzle and Iron Sand spikes are near impossible to dodge without Susanoo.

    Poison gas cloud would be bad for him also- an exploding tag won't help like it did Sakura, since she was unconcious after using it.

    Now I argue in Sasuke's favor- chidori current would be a shield against 100 puppets, along with chidori spear, he'd be able to counter them.

    Manda would... eat Sasuke if he summoned him and dind't use a genjutsu. So Sasuke could summon other snakes, which would take longer to poison due to big figures.

    Chidori senbon could knock out puppet strings.

    Fire jutsu could light them on fire, but Sasori has 298, so he'd run out of chakra.

    Sasorii can fly with wind blades, and use poison cable, so Sasuke would have to use curse seal mode with chidori, which would help a lot.

    In the end, if Sasori is winning, when out of chakra, Oro would appear anyway. Sasori wuold have to use a lot fo poison gas to take out the 8 snakes (assuming it's nerve gas which acts right away, as opposed to liquid gas).

    But IS World Order covers the battlefield and can take out many, many snakes, while poisoning them
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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Sakura was able to analyze Sasori's movements WITHOUT the Sharingan. She watched his finger movements.

    Sasuke would be able to use his Sharingan to decipher the movements much better.

    I'd say that Sasuke would pull through.
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Btw, forgot to say this, but when Sasuke is drained of chakra, and Oro appears, people act like Sasori is done for. But wouldn't sasuke also be done for? I mean, Oro wanted to steal Sasuke's body, so once Sasuke is down and out, what reason does he have to fight Sasori? He won't be fighting FOR sasuke, but AGAINST Sasuke. So even if he downs Sasori, Sasuke's done for- making it a weird tie (weird since that makes it Oro vs Sasuke vs Sasori, where the last 2 might be tired from the fight). Sasori could actually watch while Oro takes over Sasuke, then fly away dropping poison gas.

    Also, against the Kazekage puppet, Sasuke's shurikens and pesky lightning sword would not only not work, but could be used against Sasuke to attack him, since they are metal.

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    How would Sasuke block Iron Sand jutsu that are impossible (pretty much) to dodge? Simply understanding puppet movements doesn't mean he can counter all of them without being poisoned. Sakura discerned the movements of one jutsu (IS gathering assulat). Don't see Sasuke getting past Iron Sand, and if he does, a flying Sasori can down him with poison gas or the poisoned cable.
     
         
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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnalytical View Post
    Btw, forgot to say this, but when Sasuke is drained of chakra, and Oro appears, people act like Sasori is done for. But wouldn't sasuke also be done for? I mean, Oro wanted to steal Sasuke's body, so once Sasuke is down and out, what reason does he have to fight Sasori? He won't be fighting FOR sasuke, but AGAINST Sasuke. So even if he downs Sasori, Sasuke's done for- making it a weird tie (weird since that makes it Oro vs Sasuke vs Sasori, where the last 2 might be tired from the fight). Sasori could actually watch while Oro takes over Sasuke, then fly away dropping poison gas.

    Also, against the Kazekage puppet, Sasuke's shurikens and pesky lightning sword would not only not work, but could be used against Sasuke to attack him, since they are metal.

    @ EYes
    How would Sasuke block Iron Sand jutsu that are impossible (pretty much) to dodge? Simply understanding puppet movements doesn't mean he can counter all of them without being poisoned. Sakura discerned the movements of one jutsu (IS gathering assulat). Don't see Sasuke getting past Iron Sand, and if he does, a flying Sasori can down him with poison gas or the poisoned cable.
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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    if sasuke has full knowledge of sasori i cant say that sasori will win this. however even sasuke with his sharingan will be overwhelmed when he faces 100 puppets. ittle probably be close but sasori will win in my opinion
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Btw, shyarkugan, was that sarcasm? Sorry, I can't tell. It didn't seem like it, but most DON'T like it when I pull out an analysis. So I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not...
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Thanks all for your replies- that's it for me. My time on these forums is up- I'm permanently leaving. I wish you all well. Take care
     
         

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    Re: Hebi/Non-MS Sasuke vs Sasori

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Sarutobi View Post
    Nothing short of the Tata mirror can block Kirin he would need an ocean of iron sand over him to stop it
    No, I don't think that is correct, Iron would be electrified by kirin, but it isn't like Kirin would simply melt and destroy right through the iron sand, it would most likely be that the lightning would go into the sand, destroy it, but end there
     
         

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