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    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    and nothing was mentioned that he is the best player ever, "messi is the best in the world" you don't seriously think that Messi>All Footballer that ever exist in the world.
    And now I know your a failure in reading responses. Where did I state Messi is the best "ever". You said Messi has nothing on Ronaldo and I showed you an article were Ronaldo acknowledges Messi as the best, in that article nor did he compare him to the current and/or past players, so don't twist this story on me and/or assume things.

    Anyways for your question...Messi is the best today, so Messi>all footballers today. As far as going to say the best ever will only find that out once he retires and what we see him accomplish at the time, so he has the capabilities/time of surpassing all before him.
     
         

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    And now I know your a failure in reading responses. Where did I state Messi is the best "ever". You said Messi has nothing on Ronaldo and I showed you an article were Ronaldo acknowledges Messi as the best, in that article nor did he compare him to the current and/or past players, so don't twist this story on me and/or assume things.

    Anyways for your question...Messi is the best today, so Messi>all footballers today. As far as going to say the best ever will only find that out once he retires and what we see him accomplish at the time, so he has the capabilities/time of surpassing all before him.
    and nor did he compare messi to himself you did know ronaldo is already retired right ? so he practically acknowledge messi as the best player in the world nowadays
     
         

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    Messi has surpassed Ronaldo anyway, though Ronaldo remains the best pure striker I think i've ever seen. Pele, well he was playing in a weak league, and thus i'd say Maradona is before him. Zidane was brilliant too but Messi has overtaken him aswell. So we've got Maradona and Pele as the first and second placed players (IMO), followed by Messi. Ronaldo, Cruyff, Zidane, Van Basten, Muller, Beckenbauer (Though not really an attacking player), Platini (not in order btw) have all been surpassed by Lionel Messi, though it's hard to compare because they all play in different positions.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    and nor did he compare messi to himself you did know ronaldo is already retired right ? so he practically acknowledge messi as the best player in the world nowadays
    And once again he didn't mention nowadays...
     
         

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    Re: General Football Debates!

    Well, this is kind of late, but for those who don't know Iniesta has gotten married to his long time girlfriend, Anna Ortiz.

    Here are some pics of the wedding/gathering.

    Shakira wasn't here, so Puyol offered to take Pique


























































    Well wish them both a happy marriage.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReLax - View Post
    Well, this is kind of late, but for those who don't know Iniesta has gotten married to his long time girlfriend, Anna Ortiz.

    Here are some pics of the wedding/gathering.

    Shakira wasn't here, so Puyol offered to take Pique


























































    Well wish them both a happy marriage.
    Yeah, of course. May them have a happy long marriage.

    Buut, still, Messi was the most handsome guy of the wedding.
     
         

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    And once again he didn't mention nowadays...
    and once again he didn't mention messi is better than him
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    and once again he didn't mention messi is better than him
    And he said Messi is the best in the world.
     
         

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    And he said Messi is the best in the world.
    guess what ? Ronaldo is not a footballer anymore
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    guess what ? Ronaldo is not a footballer anymore
    Guess what? When Messi isn't a footballer anymore he'll be miles pass Ronaldo.
     
         

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    Guess what? When Messi isn't a footballer anymore he'll be miles pass Ronaldo.
    its just you speculating, but who know ?
     
         

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    Re: General Football Debates!

    Transfers:

    So, AC Milan lost Thaigo Silva to PSG and Ibra may also be signing with them (I think he already did if i'm not wrong) in the next couple of weeks at least

    Silva should have came to Barcelona, but Milan wouldn't allow it instead they sell him to PSG.

    PSG also signed Lavezzi for 26 million and Silva for 33 million. I'm not sure what Ibra cost them, or will cost them. They are also pursuing Suarez, Cavani, Torres, or Higuain.

    United want to make 2 more signings between Leighton Baines, Robin Van Persie, Lucas Moura and Joao Moutinho. They will hear from Baines next week and most likely he may sign leaving them with one spot opened and SAF is keen on getting Moutinho.

    RVP is either going to United or City, with City obviously leading the race. City has been told their spending days are over and need to sell in order to receive. I heard Tevez deal with Milan is going on and should be done in the next week or so opening a move for RVP. Ibra is leaving (most likely), so Tevez deal will be good for Milan, but if the deal flops they may have to sell Dezko instead, Dezko is also wanted by Bayern.

    Moura saga is going on still with Madrid and United leading the race, but Moura seems to care more about the salary than the transfer fee, he wants a reported amount of £120,000. This will put SAF off and give Madrid the chance to sign him.

    Hence why SAF is after Moutinho, but Spurs also want him, so Moutinho can see himself playing under AVB again. Moutinho will cost around £30 million.

    Modric has agreed terms with Madrid, but is still facing problems as Sahin doesn't want to depart, especially to Spurs. Modric is also still being chased by Chelsea and PSG.

    Porto Hulk, still not too sure of rumours going around Chelsea wants him and he also states he's going there, but than says he heard nothing about it.

    Ganso wants out of Santos alerting a lot of top clubs, but he for some reason doesn't want to leave Brasil just yet due to him assuming it may effect his chances playing for Brasil in WC14. Hr recently did expresses his desire to keep going with Santos.

    Neymar, fate will be decided in Olympics, his performance may spark, or disappoint may want him to get better hence moving to Europe. Neymar has expressed his admiration for Messi and Iniesta, but he also said he liked watching Ozil play. He will either be going to Barcelona and/or Madrid.

    Robinho could leave Milan also. Cesar and Reina are both wanted by Milan as their starting GK.
     
         

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    Re: General Football Debates!

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    Transfers:

    So, AC Milan lost Thaigo Silva to PSG and Ibra may also be signing with them (I think he already did if i'm not wrong) in the next couple of weeks at least

    Silva should have came to Barcelona, but Milan wouldn't allow it instead they sell him to PSG.

    PSG also signed Lavezzi for 26 million and Silva for 33 million. I'm not sure what Ibra cost them, or will cost them. They are also pursuing Suarez, Cavani, Torres, or Higuain.

    United want to make 2 more signings between Leighton Baines, Robin Van Persie, Lucas Moura and Joao Moutinho. They will hear from Baines next week and most likely he may sign leaving them with one spot opened and SAF is keen on getting Moutinho.

    RVP is either going to United or City, with City obviously leading the race. City has been told their spending days are over and need to sell in order to receive. I heard Tevez deal with Milan is going on and should be done in the next week or so opening a move for RVP. Ibra is leaving (most likely), so Tevez deal will be good for Milan, but if the deal flops they may have to sell Dezko instead, Dezko is also wanted by Bayern.

    Moura saga is going on still with Madrid and United leading the race, but Moura seems to care more about the salary than the transfer fee, he wants a reported amount of £120,000. This will put SAF off and give Madrid the chance to sign him.

    Hence why SAF is after Moutinho, but Spurs also want him, so Moutinho can see himself playing under AVB again. Moutinho will cost around £30 million.

    Modric has agreed terms with Madrid, but is still facing problems as Sahin doesn't want to depart, especially to Spurs. Modric is also still being chased by Chelsea and PSG.

    Porto Hulk, still not too sure of rumours going around Chelsea wants him and he also states he's going there, but than says he heard nothing about it.

    Ganso wants out of Santos alerting a lot of top clubs, but he for some reason doesn't want to leave Brasil just yet due to him assuming it may effect his chances playing for Brasil in WC14. Hr recently did expresses his desire to keep going with Santos.

    Neymar, fate will be decided in Olympics, his performance may spark, or disappoint may want him to get better hence moving to Europe. Neymar has expressed his admiration for Messi and Iniesta, but he also said he liked watching Ozil play. He will either be going to Barcelona and/or Madrid.

    Robinho could leave Milan also. Cesar and Reina are both wanted by Milan as their starting GK.
    Torres is leaving Chelsea?

    And how would Neymar be transferred to Madrid if he won't change his hairstyle? lol, those arrogant pricks.
     
         

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    Torres is leaving Chelsea?

    And how would Neymar be transferred to Madrid if he won't change his hairstyle? lol, those arrogant pricks.
    He's on there list like many others lol If Chelsea signs Hulk or Cavani I think he'll leave as he wasn't to impressive in Euros and may not be next season, but who knows. PSG also want Kaka and many others.

    lol Well, supposedly Mourinho wants him to change his haircut, but i see him Barcelona bond, it all depends since his rivalry with Messi is heating up due to many Brazilian claiming either he's better, or will be better not sure if under influence he may go to Madrid. Madrid is also tied with many Brazilians and have plenty of money, so now a days many Brazlian are after the money, so Barcelona may lose out, just like Madrid stole Di Stefano in the 50's from us and of course the Spain politics supported them, but today is different as they don't have much political support, so who knows.
     
         

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    Neymar Going To Fc Barcelona.

    First off, it is worth remembering that the Neymar to Barcelona rumours are not original, and not new. Last year there were whispers that a deal was done but nothing happened, and before long the talented youngster signed a new deal with Santos that could in theory keep him in Brazil until 2015.

    Of course that doesn’t necessarily mean much; any club wanting to sign Neymar was always going to have to pay an astronomical fee but what it does point to is how engrained he is at Santos – a club that has abandoned its futsal and women’s side in order to finance his wage packet and one that has all but abandoned fellow starlet Ganso in order to build a team around their brightest prospect.

    The latter, once believed to be the man who could help Brazil to World Cup glory on home soil in 2014, will soon leave Santos having fallen out dramatically with the club’s board. Neymar is by far and away the club’s highest earner, while Ganso, linked with a move to Tottenham and Chelsea, is the second-lowest paid player in the first team.

    And therein lies the first stumbling block. Barcelona do not have €60 million to spend on Neymar. They do not have €6 million to spend on Neymar judging by their most recent set of accounts.

    For all their grandeur on the pitch Barca have something of a grubby secret off it in as much as they have a mountain of debt building up - €578 million to be exact.

    While that figure is somewhat warped by bewilderingly confusing accounting jargon and technicalities the club are far from where they want to be financially and that has had an impact on the pitch.

    Last summer Barcelona's vice-president of finance Javier Faus revealed the club had a transfer budget of around €40 million, while also revealing the club’s main focus was on reducing levels of debt. Cesc Fabregas and Alexis Sanchez arrived last summer, both costing more than the budget mentioned by Faus but sales of the likes of Bojan Krkic and Zlatan Ibrahimovic meant their net spend was only around €10 million. All indications so far suggest this summer could be a quiet one at the Nou Camp.

    Jordi Alba has signed on the dotted line for a bargain €14 million while a new centre-back is required, but aside from that few expect much business to be done this summer.

    Perhaps the most interesting aspect of the deal is the role Neymar’s marketability could play in a transfer, something which could justify such a large fee. It is interesting to note that, despite completely over-shadowing rivals Real Madrid in terms of silverware won in recent years, Barcelona still cannot hold a candle to the revenue generated by Los Blancos, who are the only club in the world to make over £400 million a year.

    And what is it that sets Jose Mourinho’s side apart from their rivals? The second generation of Galacticos.

    President Florentino Perez appears to have no qualms about forking over mammoth transfer fees for the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka and Karim Benzema. Together Madrid paid over €180 million for the three and a further €100 million for Xabi Alonso, Angel di Maria, Mesut Ozil and Fabio Coentrao.

    Madrid’s approach banks on the marketability of the likes of Ronaldo and Kaka, two of the most popular players in terms of social media it is worth noting, and monetising their popularity. Risky it may be but it appears to be working if their record €135 million in commercial revue for 2010 is anything to go by – while their record breaking media and match day revenue also feeds off the popularity of their stars.

    Barcelona are hardly paupers in this region but they haven’t quite exploited the model as Madrid have. Messi is a global figure and helps his club’s profitability like few others could, but it is here the arrival of Neymar makes most sense.

    Ranked as the most marketable athlete on the planet by SportsPro, Neymar is already an icon in his home country and has a growing legion of fans around the world. The Brazilian and Barcelona appear a match made in heaven and can service one another's needs - and with the 2014 World Cup in Brazil looming on the horizon, his worth to both club and country looks set to sky rocket.

    Interestingly the arrival of Neymar at Barcelona could be facilitated by Nike, the Catalan club’s shirt sponsor. Despite their own galaxy of stars only a few of the high profile players are Nike athletes. In 2006 Messi singed with Adidas while David Villa is also associated with the German brand, as is Xavi. Cesc Fabregas recently ditched Nike to sign with Puma.

    Neymar, young talented and with sponsorship deals up to his eyeballs would represent the perfect player to help Barcelona become the greatest side off the pitch as well as on it.

    In this respect the fact that club president Sandro Rosell spent six years working with Nike to promote the brand in Brazil will obviously help lubricate the wheels of any deal.

    Barcelona aren’t known for astronomic transfer fees like Madrid but the acquisition of Neymar, who makes around £8.5 million a year through sponsorship deals with Unilever, Panasonic and of course Nike, would certainly make long-term sense, and will certainly make them a more attractive proposition to potential investors as well as open up a new market of fans in South America.

    The involvement of Banco de Brazil, who currently pay some of Neymar’s wages at Santos, should also open up a few new doors.

    Back on the football pitch is where the deal starts to get a little less certain. It was another Brazilian, Ronaldinho, who was forced out of the club in order to make room for Messi to take centre stage and drive the club to glory, and how Neymar fits in with that is unclear.

    Would he fit in well with Barca’s well honed style of play? Sanchez, a South America, joined last summer and did well despite injuries, but would Neymar shine if he is not the star of the show and forced to fit into a system rather than have one built around him like he does at Santos?

    There would certainly be no usurping Messi, who has just enjoyed the greatest goal scoring season Europe has ever seen. When Santos and Barcelona met at the Club World Cup final in December 2011, there was only one winner between both teams and only one winner between Neymar and Messi. It was 4-0 to Barca and 2-0 to Messi.

    There are also suggestions Neymar is a player for the YouTube generation; perfect for short clips but his overall contribution is lacking.

    Despite reaching the Copa Librtadores semi-final and winning Sao Paolo’s regional league, the Campeonato Paulista, Santos have struggled in the national league having won just one of their opening nine fixtures.

    Neymar has only played three times, scoring twice. He has been accused of going missing for large spells during games. A scorer of easy on the eye goals, sure, but at the moment not a man who can be relied on to win games and make a difference constantly. Then there are doubts over his personality, which has been known to rub team-mates up the wrong way.

    With the unassuming Messi and Andres Iniesta on board, that simply isn’t the Barca way.

    Despite that there were some suggestions that part of the reason that Pep Guardiola quit as manager at the Nou Camp was in part down to his constant battles with Rosell over the signing of Neymar and other targets; now he is out of the picture and the much more malleable Tito Vilanova, who doesn’t have years of success to use as the final word, is in charge it may be easier to make a move happen.

    The rumours this week suggest that Neymar could stay in Santos for another season before joining up with Barcelona for the start of the 2013/14, one year before he takes centre-stage on home soil at the World Cup.

    There appears to be little foundation in reports that a deal has been done or is even close but there is certainly fertile ground for a deal to happen. When or if it happens is unclear, but perhaps the silly season where action on the pitch takes a back seat for a month or so does have its worth.

    This was posted by cesc fabregas on his official Facebook page and has been posted on euro sport and Google links.
     
         

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    Seems like Walcott might leave Arsenal as well. :/ Wenger will be having tough time if it happens, knowing that RVP is about to leave. And Ibra joined PSG; damn, Ancelotti sure is making a team.
     
         
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    Neymar:

    I know Barcelona supposedly last year put a down payment on him, to secure him in 2014, but it seems he is more keen on leaving earlier, as he has the pressure on himself and needs to still develop.

    The way Neymar plays, he doesn't suit Barcelona style, but better for Madrid style, but than again people thought the same about Dinho. Either way he will have to change a lot when coming to Barcelona.

    His hype is given by all Brazilians, Pele, Ramario, Dinho, Ronaldo, Kaka, etc. The man has talent no denying it, but the games, I've seen of his and the video whenever he does something amazing he goes down pretty quick, Europe will be a lot more rougher, so he needs to watch out on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pesh View Post
    Seems like Walcott might leave Arsenal as well. :/ Wenger will be having tough time if it happens, knowing that RVP is about to leave. And Ibra joined PSG; damn, Ancelotti sure is making a team.
    I feel bad for Wenger, just when Arsenal make a few big signings this year, most these guys are ready to depart. I hope RVP and Walcott stay one more season, I have a strange vibe for Arsenal if they do this season.

    Polodski can add some flair in their game, Giroud can bring in more goals, and with RVP/Walcott a lot can happen, including if Wilshere comes back healthy and if they get M'Vila.
     
         

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    Re: General Football Debates!

    Quote Originally Posted by ReLax - View Post
    Neymar:

    I know Barcelona supposedly last year put a down payment on him, to secure him in 2014, but it seems he is more keen on leaving earlier, as he has the pressure on himself and needs to still develop.

    The way Neymar plays, he doesn't suit Barcelona style, but better for Madrid style, but than again people thought the same about Dinho. Either way he will have to change a lot when coming to Barcelona.

    His hype is given by all Brazilians, Pele, Ramario, Dinho, Ronaldo, Kaka, etc. The man has talent no denying it, but the games, I've seen of his and the video whenever he does something amazing he goes down pretty quick, Europe will be a lot more rougher, so he needs to watch out on that.
    I don't know why but Neymar supposed coming at Barça gives me some good feeling. Beside everything that differs him from the other players our team has, I believe that, if he really plays "with heart" about Barça, he will overcome every difference and will become a great "Més Que Un Club" player.

    Supposed haters question:
    How in the earth is he going to change if he has his own style?
    Well, you know, I don't find this an easy thing, nor impossible. If he accepts to play for Barça he has considered everything, even making himself fit with the team. Step by step, little by little, he'll make himself home. Beside I'm not saying he lose his originality, just cooperate a bit with others. Would be good for everyone.

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    I actually think that if he joins our team, and everything works out well, we'd be kinda "Superhero" team. Damn! Would be a very hard team to be beaten, considering that we already are hard.
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    P.S: Did any of the things I said makes sense? LOL. ._.
     
         

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    Re: General Football Debates!

    neymar should try to play in eredivisie or ligue 1 before storming the top 3 European league
     
         

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    Re: General Football Debates!

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    neymar should try to play in eredivisie or ligue 1 before storming the top 3 European league
    Well, there's a difference on what is needed and what is most likely to happen.
     
         

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