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    am not trying to compared it genius.....
    i just trying to tell you that every team has their own problem
    LMAO, then why did you even started talking about that or what did you try'n to prove me ? That everything MARCA said is a lie and that there are other problems in other clubs? mixing obvious with your opinion, it's not a proven fact that story was true but if it is it's hell of a change for RM.
     
         

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    LMAO, then why did you even started talking about that or what did you try'n to prove me ? That everything MARCA said is a lie and that there are other problems in other clubs? mixing obvious with your opinion, it's not a proven fact that story was true but if it is it's hell of a change for RM.
    like i said earlier, Marca dislike Mourinho from the get go, even when Mou win the La Liga with style they don't say anything about that let alone praised him, Marca is a media version of Xavi if you know what i mean,

    so which one will you trust, the president or Marca ?
    its common sense really... every team has their own problem but if its Real Madrid they will make it out as if there is a World War...
    since Real Madrid is the most prestigious club in the world everything about them will be the Media "food".
     
         

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    Whats all this BS surrounding Mourinho,Sergio and Cassilias leaving the club. My a$$.Cassilias leaving Madrid? Impossible . He isnt RVP ( No hate Arsnel fans). Thats just stupid Marca.
    El Clasico yeah people! .When is it though ?
    Hazard kicks the ball boy. I would'nt blame him . His 17 he acts like a big man, Spoilt thing.Ball Boy is the next Busquets.
    Btw for El Clasico who will madrid be missing? People say Sergio Ramos but his 5 match ban is over ( Vs Getafe). Coentro will be missing but Marcelo is back yay
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    like i said earlier, Marca dislike Mourinho from the get go, even when Mou win the La Liga with style they don't say anything about that let alone praised him, Marca is a media version of Xavi if you know what i mean,

    so which one will you trust, the president or Marca ?
    its common sense really... every team has their own problem but if its Real Madrid they will make it out as if there is a World War...
    since Real Madrid is the most prestigious club in the world everything about them will be the Media "food".
    Yes I know all that but what your trying to prove in the first place I just posted the news lol, Iker and Ramos wont move this summer but I believe that Mou will, thats it

    Quote Originally Posted by IzunaUchiha2 View Post
    Whats all this BS surrounding Mourinho,Sergio and Cassilias leaving the club. My a$$.Cassilias leaving Madrid? Impossible . He isnt RVP ( No hate Arsnel fans). Thats just stupid Marca.
    El Clasico yeah people! .When is it though ?
    Hazard kicks the ball boy. I would'nt blame him . His 17 he acts like a big man, Spoilt thing.Ball Boy is the next Busquets.
    Btw for El Clasico who will madrid be missing? People say Sergio Ramos but his 5 match ban is over ( Vs Getafe). Coentro will be missing but Marcelo is back yay
    or new Di Maria or Christiano why not heh?
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    like i said earlier, Marca dislike Mourinho from the get go, even when Mou win the La Liga with style they don't say anything about that let alone praised him, Marca is a media version of Xavi if you know what i mean,

    so which one will you trust, the president or Marca ?
    its common sense really... every team has their own problem but if its Real Madrid they will make it out as if there is a World War...
    since Real Madrid is the most prestigious club in the world everything about them will be the Media "food".
    Marca was over the top when Mou won CDR beating Barcelona and then the Liga. Even news channels in Catalonia send out their congratulations to Madrid and Mou when they won the league, quit with all this Mou VS he world crap.

    And their problem is worst then the rest ATM. Mou picks a fight with Madrid legend Casillas, he has problems with Ramos, as well as Ozil, Recently he had a go at CR and everyone saw that, nor did any teammate deny that fight they had. He kicked Valdano out of Madrid because Valdano didn't agree with his plans, he was responsible for Zidane exit, who also was against the way Madrid are playing under Mou and Di Stefano hasn't been impressed with their playing style. It speaks loud volumes.
     
         
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    Marca was over the top when Mou won CDR beating Barcelona and then the Liga. Even news channels in Catalonia send out their congratulations to Madrid and Mou when they won the league, quit with all this Mou VS he world crap.

    And their problem is worst then the rest ATM. Mou picks a fight with Madrid legend Casillas, he has problems with Ramos, as well as Ozil, Recently he had a go at CR and everyone saw that, nor did any teammate deny that fight they had. He kicked Valdano out of Madrid because Valdano didn't agree with his plans, he was responsible for Zidane exit, who also was against the way Madrid are playing under Mou and Di Stefano hasn't been impressed with their playing style. It speaks loud volumes.
    yeah, Marca is over the top, but it was for the Team/Club, they don't give a flying **** about Mou, and this season when Mou make some mistake they are the 1st one to jump to the Mou haters band wagoners, and started to pouring more pain into the team, by making false/unconfirmed incident, and how they over hype the conflict between Mou and other Madrid players,

    yeah Mou messed with Madrid Legend, but that doesn't mean the media have to blame him, after all Casillas has been poor after the EURO, just like when Pep messed with Dinho, yet the media don't pay to much attention on it,

    by the way that MOFO Valdano want to make another Mega transfer by getting Rooney,Bale and Ibra, that's why Mou don't agree with him, in the end he got kicked out,

    Zidane is different case, he was out because he want to concentrate on his coaching study, not because Mou,

    i wonder what so bad about Madrid style under Mou, they play some great football, they elaborate less and scored more than any team who claim to use Total attacking football style last season,
    their play is fine they way it is,

    IMO i could care less about how they play, as long as they win the end, and of course with fair play, and without the Ref help, and some dirty deeds such as diving and crowd the referee..........
     
         

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    No, they were happy for Mou and Madrid. Even Pique hit out at the media and defended Mou actually recently, by saying when he did things like poking Tito eye and winning the league you guys were all supporting him, but now all of sudden they decide to go against him.

    Dinho wanted to leave. Pep told Dinho to stayed and didn't want him to go to represent Brasil in Olympics. As far as I'm concerned Dinho asked for a transfer, but Barcelona didn't fight or attempt to keep him. Casillas has been poor, but your defence hasn't been any better in support. He was doing fine with Spain in the friendlies during the season.

    Valdano? Bale is still wanted by Madrid/Mou and I never heard of Rooney to Madrid. The closet rumour I heard was Rooney to Barcelona. Ibra wanted Madrid move and you guys wanted him, but Rosell didn't allow it.

    No, Zidane left because he knew Mou wasn't happy with him. Mou needed someone who supported him when he criticized the refs and Zidane didn't do that. If Zidane wanted to become a coach why not stick around Mou for a little longer and learn from him?

    There style is getting old. A few bad calls have taken some points from them and the players form have hurt them, but a lot of La Liga teams have figured them out. Madrid set a record indeed, but check this out.

    Madrid played Barcelona 6 times last season they won only once and that was 2-1, Barcelona beat them 3 times and had 2 draws. Their biggest challenge in CL was against Bayern and they eventually lost and Bayern was far from the best team. Madrid last season was the best team hands down, but as I've shown you when it came to playing bigger teams they struggled with that tactic.

    13-10 Barcelona outscored them
    3-3 they lost to Bayern in PK

    "IMO i could care less about how they play, as long as they win the end, and of course with fair play, and without the Ref help, and some dirty deeds such as diving and crowd the referee.........."

    If your trying to make an attempt at attacking Barcelona, than I'd say watch your step. Last season Madrid benefitted from a lot of calls, if you don't believe me check youtube out and you'll see some calls which benefitted them, infamously Higuain hand ball which disallowed a goal and they would've lost the game. Madrid are no saint and no better than Barcelona when it comes to diving/crowding the ref/cheating/etc. This has always been there with many clubs and thats a fact. Go type in Google, "Why do "insert club" cheat". You'll find people complaining about every club cheating Juventus/Milan/Inter with the match fixing scandals in Italy, Franco Madrid and UEFA Barcelona. FA United, as well as Chelsea etc. Every top teams have been accused of cheating. They all have benefitted from it.
     
         
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    No, they were happy for Mou and Madrid. Even Pique hit out at the media and defended Mou actually recently, by saying when he did things like poking Tito eye and winning the league you guys were all supporting him, but now all of sudden they decide to go against him.
    LOL nah, Pique was trying to blame Mou
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    Dinho wanted to leave. Pep told Dinho to stayed and didn't want him to go to represent Brasil in Olympics. As far as I'm concerned Dinho asked for a transfer, but Barcelona didn't fight or attempt to keep him. Casillas has been poor, but your defence hasn't been any better in support. He was doing fine with Spain in the friendlies during the season.
    yeah i know about that, but then again pep choose ignored him instead giving him a chance to regain his form,
    there is also Eto'o and Ibra incident with Pep,

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    Valdano? Bale is still wanted by Madrid/Mou and I never heard of Rooney to Madrid. The closet rumour I heard was Rooney to Barcelona. Ibra wanted Madrid move and you guys wanted him, but Rosell didn't allow it.
    well Valdano did want Bale and Rooney/Ibra for the team, but Mou think the current team is more than enough at that time,

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    No, Zidane left because he knew Mou wasn't happy with him. Mou needed someone who supported him when he criticized the refs and Zidane didn't do that. If Zidane wanted to become a coach why not stick around Mou for a little longer and learn from him?
    Nah, Mou have no reason to hate on Zidane, if there is a guy who hate Zidane it was Perez cause of the Makelele incident, why Zizou choose not to stay ? Because Madrid is not a place to learn, that's all there is to it,

    There style is getting old. A few bad calls have taken some points from them and the players form have hurt them, but a lot of La Liga teams have figured them out. Madrid set a record indeed, but check this out.

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    Madrid played Barcelona 6 times last season they won only once and that was 2-1, Barcelona beat them 3 times and had 2 draws. Their biggest challenge in CL was against Bayern and they eventually lost and Bayern was far from the best team. Madrid last season was the best team hands down, but as I've shown you when it came to playing bigger teams they struggled with that tactic.

    13-10 Barcelona outscored them
    3-3 they lost to Bayern in PK
    Bayern was far from the best team at that time ? you've gotta be kidding me...
    so what you called Chelsea ?

    Madrid did Lose to Barca more but most of that lose is controversial, except the 5-0 massacre

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    "IMO i could care less about how they play, as long as they win the end, and of course with fair play, and without the Ref help, and some dirty deeds such as diving and crowd the referee.........."

    If your trying to make an attempt at attacking Barcelona, than I'd say watch your step. Last season Madrid benefitted from a lot of calls, if you don't believe me check youtube out and you'll see some calls which benefitted them, infamously Higuain hand ball which disallowed a goal and they would've lost the game. Madrid are no saint and no better than Barcelona when it comes to diving/crowding the ref/cheating/etc. This has always been there with many clubs and thats a fact. Go type in Google, "Why do "insert club" cheat". You'll find people complaining about every club cheating Juventus/Milan/Inter with the match fixing scandals in Italy, Franco Madrid and UEFA Barcelona. FA United, as well as Chelsea etc. Every top teams have been accused of cheating. They all have benefitted from it.
    its so easy to push your button isn't it ? LMAO
    just because i mention Diving and Crowd the referee, that doesn't mean i tried to attack Barca, i merely point out some obvious controversy that surround the Football world,

    but the the ironic thing is, Barca fans accusing other team for cheating Et cetera, is beyond ridiculous or is something what will you called Hypocrisy ?

    Madrid are no saint ? yes
    they are no better than Barca when it comes to diving/crowding the ref/cheating/etc ? No ****, the world will never forget Stamford bridge 2009, despite how UEFA tried to covered it up......
     
         

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    I think you lack reading comprehension. He merely spoke of how funny it is the media/fans supported him when he poke Tito and was winning. Now when he he's losing, he benches Iker, they want his head. This is what two Madrid fans wrote in the comment section.

    "As a Madrid fan, Pique's comments are NOT anti-Madrid. He's right. Mou should have been suspended for poking Tito in the eye. That being said, Pique is admitting that the media says literally NOTHING negative about Barca and EVERYTHING negative about Madrid. At the end of the day, these guys don't hate each other as much as the media has made it. You're just watching the two best coaches and teams put on mouth-watering football week in and week out. Just enjoy."

    "Yeah never felt like pique was directing his rant towards Madrid. More towards the media & fans, which I'm afraid he's 100% right. It's been puzzling how in the span of 5 months their stand has completely changed"


    He didn't ignore Dinho. It was Dinho who didn't listen to Pep and ignored it. Eto'o/Ibra were two different situations.

    Bale wasn't even that big at the time. Rooney wasn't wanted by everyone when he was supposedly unhappy at United. Ibra never really heard of that.

    I didn't say he hated Zidane. I simply implied because Zidane didn't support him when he spoke of refs being against Madrid. He didn't want him around and wanted someone like himself who can complain to the media and support his claims.

    Chelsea was sh!t. Last season Madrid was better than Barca in terms of consistency. There is no excuse for Barca either, but as I said Madrid were the best team that year. They were better than Barca/Bayern/Chelsea as a team.

    5-0 happened in 2010-2011 season. I'm speaking of 2011-2012 season and as far as I'm concerned I don't think a single red card being handed out that season except in the Espana cup after Marcelo hacked Fabregas in the 90th minute

    You didn't actually push my bottom at all.

    Hypocrisy? The only time I accuse others of it is in retaliation. Either way I don't represent the rest of the Barcelona fans. What is hypocrisy is however when supporters from other clubs who sides have dived, won games thru ref decision, crowd the ref, but yet call Barcelona cheaters when they have won like this too or tried to, that is ironic and defines hypocrisy.

    Yes, they won't forget the 2009 incident, as Australia won't forget how Italy dived for a PK and the ref gave it to them in 2006 WC for them to advance in KO stages when the game was going to ET, and how France won't forget what the Italians did in the final. Argentina won't forget what 90 WC final. Netherlands won't forget the 74 WC final. Barcelona won't forget Franco Madrid. All English clubs won't forget FA United. The world won't forget the match fixing scandals surrounded around all Italian clubs, etc. I must say indeed your right no one will forget these.
     
         
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    I think you lack reading comprehension. He merely spoke of how funny it is the media/fans supported him when he poke Tito and was winning. Now when he he's losing, he benches Iker, they want his head. This is what two Madrid fans wrote in the comment section.
    meh, it looks to me that Pique were saying all Mou action before that is over looked by the Association and Media,
    and then he said in other way Madrid were favored by the association and the media

    "Now Mourinho has picked on [Iker] Casillas, threatened a journalist, and people are criticising him. Mourinho has always been like this, ever since he arrived. And he got away with everything."

    supporting Mou ? i don't think so
    in other way he was trying to stated Madrid were favored by the association and the media

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    He didn't ignore Dinho. It was Dinho who didn't listen to Pep and ignored it. Eto'o/Ibra were two different situations.
    then why Pep try to convince him ? it looks to me that Pep just let Dino talent got wasted,
    i mean Pep did do a lot things for Messi and turn him into the best player in the world, yet he don't give a flying ****/effort for Dinho, maybe because he's not from La masia.........

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    Bale wasn't even that big at the time. Rooney wasn't wanted by everyone when he was supposedly unhappy at United. Ibra never really heard of that.
    nah, Bale is already a huge talent back then when he troll Maicon in the CL, and Valdano wanted him in the team,
    am pretty sure i read an article about Madrid wanted Rooney for the team, same goes with Ibra.

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    I didn't say he hated Zidane. I simply implied because Zidane didn't support him when he spoke of refs being against Madrid. He didn't want him around and wanted someone like himself who can complain to the media and support his claims.
    as if Butragueno support Mou claim about the referee(which is right cause when Mou complain about the referee, he got some valid point), surely that's not the case, i would rather trust what Zidane said than unconfirmed rumor spread by the media

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    Chelsea was sh!t. Last season Madrid was better than Barca in terms of consistency. There is no excuse for Barca either, but as I said Madrid were the best team that year. They were better than Barca/Bayern/Chelsea as a team.
    don't tell me you still mad about Chelsea beating Barca in the semi then goes to win the CL :D
    let it go dude, even i already forgot when Spain trashed Italy in the Euro and Barca beating Madrid 5-0,
    it was a fair game,

    idk but i still think that Barca is better than Madrid last year, they just unlucky when it comes to important matches
    having said that the best team don't always win......

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    5-0 happened in 2010-2011 season. I'm speaking of 2011-2012 season and as far as I'm concerned I don't think a single red card being handed out that season except in the Espana cup after Marcelo hacked Fabregas in the 90th minute
    yeah my bad..... but that lose is close, it shows that Madrid are starting to close the gap against barca and its proven by them beating Barca at camp nou and super coppa

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    You didn't actually push my bottom at all.
    oh yes i did, look at down there.....
    you mad, you even mention Italy LMAO

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    Hypocrisy? The only time I accuse others of it is in retaliation. Either way I don't represent the rest of the Barcelona fans. What is hypocrisy is however when supporters from other clubs who sides have dived, won games thru ref decision, crowd the ref, but yet call Barcelona cheaters when they have won like this too or tried to, that is ironic and defines hypocrisy.
    retaliation ? what for ? i never mention about Barca being cheaters(cause everyone know that already jk ) in my previous post,
    i just point out some controversy that surround the football world, its you who got agitated because you think i was talking about Barca while am not :shrug:

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    Yes, they won't forget the 2009 incident, as Australia won't forget how Italy dived for a PK and the ref gave it to them in 2006 WC for them to advance in KO stages when the game was going to ET, and how France won't forget what the Italians did in the final. Argentina won't forget what 90 WC final. Netherlands won't forget the 74 WC final. Barcelona won't forget Franco Madrid. All English clubs won't forget FA United. The world won't forget the match fixing scandals surrounded around all Italian clubs, etc. I must say indeed your right no one will forget these.
    The Aussie won't remember anything cause nothing actually happened

    the tackle that Lucas does on Fabio from every angle shows how intentional it was :D

    what happen with France ? Malouda dive his way to get an early Penalty, that was against the rules,
    Matrix proveke Zidane ? not against the rules but it was despicable act by Matrix, but then again it happens all the time.

    about match fixing, i heard it also exist in La liga, you read that article yes ?
     
         

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    This is what Piqué really said, "Since arriving, he has always been the same. He was allowed everything. I do not think the press has to be like this. And I say this not only for Real Madrid, but Barcelona also.

    "Barca does not do everything well. On the covers of El Mundo Deportivo and Sport it seems we do everything right. They start doing criticising when things wrong. I speak from both sides. For Madrid and Barcelona."
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    Pep did. He told Dinho stay and he'll help him get his form Dinho wanted to go play for Brasil at the tournament, but that wouldn't give enough time for Pep to train with him. Eventually he left and either way it didn't seem he find his form at Milan, so it would've been a waste either way. Its because he isn't from La Masia? Fabregas is from there, but Pep didn't want to sign him from Arsenal it was the fans/board etc that demanded him.

    Not really. Madrid were/are linked with a lot of players, Aguero/Silva/Cole/Gerrard/Bale/Tevez/Maicon/etc didn't mean Valdano wanted them.

    No he didn't. Mou complained when the refs got call wrong in his favour, but when the ref give them offside goals or PK from dives he says nothing about it. If he said/complained saying they shouldn't have gotten that, than it'd be understandable, but truth is what teams don't suffer from refs mistakes?

    Madrid are closing gap, but its because both teams are more cautious. Barcelona thrashed Madrid, so Madrid won't attack all out. Madrid beat Barcelona off counters, so they try not to move everyone up forward.

    I'm not mad. You asked what I thought about Chelsea form last season after i said Bayern form wasn't better than Madrid. I told you their form was sh!t. Are you saying Chelsea were the best team last season? They were 5th/6th in EPL.

    Nope. Madrid were more consistence and capitalize, Barcelona suffered. Loss come from errors. Madrid were better.

    I back my opinion up. You spoke of no one forgetting 2009 CL, and I told you how no one is forgetting a lot of many controversial calls made in football. Mad? Not really. Italians have been around controversial calls as well? Haven't they? You seem to put blame on Barcelona a lot. My response to you wasn't just based off what you said up top, but you've said these things a few times in this thread, which I ignored at the time.

    No.



    It shows that a foul was committed outside the box. Fabio was off balance when going in and he tripped. You can argue it wasn't a dive, but the PK shouldn't have been given.

    Why are you mad now? I didn't say Barcelona, don't dive or benefitted from calls I gave you an overview on things proving they aren't the only team who have benefitted, which you continuously imply too.

    How about we examine this, if Italy didn't get that PK, they may have not been in the finals, right? italy were down to 10 men and ET anything could've happen as well as PK SO. If Malouda didn't dive the whole Zidane incident wouldn't have happen either.

    Barcelona VS Chelsea.

    1) The ref sent off Eric Abidal, which was probably the wrong decision. In case the conspiracy theorists didn’t notice, Abidal plays for Barcelona. So Barca, not Chelsea, had to play the last 30 minutes with ten men. Yeah, Uefa really wanted Chelsea to lose.

    2) The ref, Norway’s Tom Henning Ovrebo, was poor but nowhere near as poor as most people say. Chelsea had four penalty claims last night, but only one of them was indisputably a pen – the Pique handball, which was blatant. Even then, it was the linesman’s job to spot that, as Ovrebo was unsighted. The other three were 50/50 decisions.

    3) Barcelona could have had a couple of penalties at the Camp Nou. How quickly people forget that. Oh, and Michael Ballack should have been sent off in Barcelona.

    Both teams suffered from calls, but people want to pay attention just to how it only benefits Barcelona. Even Guus Chelsea managers in 08/09 season, played down conspiracies and admitted to bad refereeing on both accounts.
     
         
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    Guys real madrid vs Getafe tommorow 11:00 Morning ?

    I want to start a new topic. Called Ballon dor.
    Im a ronaldo fan but do i think Messi deserved ballon dor 2012? Yes because of his 91 goals
    Messi deserved ballon dor 2011? Nope ronaldo did . Or Snejdier . Why ? Ronaldo scored more goals then Lional Messy . But won nothing while messi did. But messi won ballon dor 2012 scoring most goals but no trophies . So why did he win 2011 ballon dor if it was a indvidual award? Snejider deserved it because he led netherlend to world cup . Im maybe getting confused with 2010 ballon dor . Anways do you think fifa is fair. Messi deserved ballon dor in 2012 ( from a big fan of CR7 ) .
     
         

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    Guys real madrid vs Getafe tommorow 11:00 Morning ?

    I want to start a new topic. Called Ballon dor.
    Im a ronaldo fan but do i think Messi deserved ballon dor 2012? Yes because of his 91 goals
    Messi deserved ballon dor 2011? Nope ronaldo did . Or Snejdier . Why ? Ronaldo scored more goals then Lional Messy . But won nothing while messi did. But messi won ballon dor 2012 scoring most goals but no trophies . So why did he win 2011 ballon dor if it was a indvidual award? Snejider deserved it because he led netherlend to world cup . Im maybe getting confused with 2010 ballon dor . Anways do you think fifa is fair. Messi deserved ballon dor in 2012 ( from a big fan of CR7 ) .
    It's individual awards and is based on opinions and so far i'm sure it's not even questionable that overall performance of Messi has been superior to Christianos for the past 4 years. People love watching Messi, I love watching Messi.
     
         

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    This is what Piqué really said, "Since arriving, he has always been the same. He was allowed everything. I do not think the press has to be like this. And I say this not only for Real Madrid, but Barcelona also.

    "Barca does not do everything well. On the covers of El Mundo Deportivo and Sport it seems we do everything right. They start doing criticising when things wrong. I speak from both sides. For Madrid and Barcelona."
    well that just the positive thing hat you quote.....
    nonetheless he still said what i post up there which is unnecessary if he intend to support Mou....
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    Pep did. He told Dinho stay and he'll help him get his form Dinho wanted to go play for Brasil at the tournament, but that wouldn't give enough time for Pep to train with him. Eventually he left and either way it didn't seem he find his form at Milan, so it would've been a waste either way. Its because he isn't from La Masia? Fabregas is from there, but Pep didn't want to sign him from Arsenal it was the fans/board etc that demanded him.
    nonetheless he should gave more extra attention for playerlike Dinho who undergo a crucial time in his career.....

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    Not really. Madrid were/are linked with a lot of players, Aguero/Silva/Cole/Gerrard/Bale/Tevez/Maicon/etc didn't mean Valdano wanted them,
    yes he did, Valdano wanted them for the team and for the business, and Mou have other opinion which is god for the team and eventually Perez see the light and kick Valdano out for good, now he's out there bad mouthing Madrid and Mou

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    No he didn't. Mou complained when the refs got call wrong in his favour, but when the ref give them offside goals or PK from dives he says nothing about it. If he said/complained saying they shouldn't have gotten that, than it'd be understandable, but truth is what teams don't suffer from refs mistakes?
    as if Guardiola said anything when he's team get a wrong call in his favour for his team, like in 2009 for example,
    the point is it was common sense, like you said neither Madrid or Barca were saints.....

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    I'm not mad. You asked what I thought about Chelsea form last season after i said Bayern form wasn't better than Madrid. I told you their form was sh!t. Are you saying Chelsea were the best team last season? They were 5th/6th in EPL
    no one said that Chelsea is the best last season, and yes Bayern for wasn't better than Madrid last season but Madrid lose via PK shoot out, and also Bayern have more motivation since they will get to play in their stadium...



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    I back my opinion up. You spoke of no one forgetting 2009 CL, and I told you how no one is forgetting a lot of many controversial calls made in football. Mad? Not really. Italians have been around controversial calls as well? Haven't they? You seem to put blame on Barcelona a lot. My response to you wasn't just based off what you said up top, but you've said these things a few times in this thread, which I ignored at the time.
    the problem is whenever i spoke about cheating you always think that i talk about Barcelona, which not cause i merely pointing out cheating etcetera, and you started thinking that i was trying to put the blame on Barca :shrug:
    i only mention the 2009 Stamford bridge cause it was notorious and still fresh, its not like i try to denied Franco Madrid and Italian calciopoli.........


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    It shows that a foul was committed outside the box. Fabio was off balance when going in and he tripped. You can argue it wasn't a dive, but the PK shouldn't have been given.
    SMH,there is something wrong with you if you don't think that was a penalty......
    yeah there is a foul outside the box intended for Grosso, but the referee decide to play on, and finally when Grosso passed through Lucas, that MOFO grab his leg, he don't even get the ball and Grosso in a very good position all he have to do is pass to Toni and we have a goal, surely looking for a penalty is not the right choice at that time

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    Why are you mad now? I didn't say Barcelona, don't dive or benefitted from calls I gave you an overview on things proving they aren't the only team who have benefitted, which you continuously imply too.
    Mad? Who? you ?

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    How about we examine this, if Italy didn't get that PK, they may have not been in the finals, right? italy were down to 10 men and ET anything could've happen as well as PK SO. If Malouda didn't dive the whole Zidane incident wouldn't have happen either.
    meh that red card for matrix is not right either, it was yellow at best, and also with IF you can recreate the world

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    Barcelona VS Chelsea.

    1) The ref sent off Eric Abidal, which was probably the wrong decision. In case the conspiracy theorists didn’t notice, Abidal plays for Barcelona. So Barca, not Chelsea, had to play the last 30 minutes with ten men. Yeah, Uefa really wanted Chelsea to lose.

    2) The ref, Norway’s Tom Henning Ovrebo, was poor but nowhere near as poor as most people say. Chelsea had four penalty claims last night, but only one of them was indisputably a pen – the Pique handball, which was blatant. Even then, it was the linesman’s job to spot that, as Ovrebo was unsighted. The other three were 50/50 decisions.

    3) Barcelona could have had a couple of penalties at the Camp Nou. How quickly people forget that. Oh, and Michael Ballack should have been sent off in Barcelona.

    Both teams suffered from calls, but people want to pay attention just to how it only benefits Barcelona. Even Guus Chelsea managers in 08/09 season, played down conspiracies and admitted to bad refereeing on both accounts.
    this is so sad.................
    you are beyond help dude, i did't know that Barca fanboy can be this deluded........
     
         

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    There was no PK a foul outside of the box. You are delusional and letting your Italians fanboyism get the best of you. the "MOFO" didn't grab his leg, the Italian tripped over him and took a free PK.

    Mad? Nope.

    Sad? Deluded? Just like your comment on trying to defend a PK that shouldn't have been award...

    'I don’t agree with Mourinho at all on this. It is right that my Chelsea side was badly disadvantaged then, the call that bothered me was the hand ball penalty we were denied in injury time. That was a clear mistake from the referee." said Hiddink

    The Chelsea manager at that time (2009) spoke mainly about the Pique hand ball.
     
         
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    arguing with Totsuka No Tsurugi is pointless waste of time :shrug:

    Guardiola handed £240m war chest at Bayern... and Suarez is top of his list
    By ANDY JAMES ''DailyMail''

    Where do new's like that come from? it's ridiculous. But IF it was to be true .. with Pep + 240 mill = Mou Champions Ligue hopes decrease by another 50 %
     
         

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    arguing with Totsuka No Tsurugi is pointless waste of time :shrug:


    By ANDY JAMES ''DailyMail''

    Where do new's like that come from? it's ridiculous. But IF it was to be true .. with Pep + 240 mill = Mou Champions Ligue hopes decrease by another 50 %
    lol

    I know I read that it was pathetic. They have the cash, so people assume with Pep they'll use it, but they never allowed it to be used with Jupp and they had a rough time agreeing to buy Martinez. I heard rumours are going on that in Bayern there are arguments going on in-between the players, mainly Robben/Gomez. Either way I can see Pep using the cash, that if they want the CL right away, but I think Bayern main purpose to get Pep was to finish off what LvG started and to use youth academy and/or help develop it.
     
         

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    lol

    I know I read that it was pathetic. They have the cash, so people assume with Pep they'll use it, but they never allowed it to be used with Jupp and they had a rough time agreeing to buy Martinez. I heard rumours are going on that in Bayern there are arguments going on in-between the players, mainly Robben/Gomez. Either way I can see Pep using the cash, that if they want the CL right away, but I think Bayern main purpose to get Pep was to finish off what LvG started and to use youth academy and/or help develop it.
    Yea, that's what I was thinking... Pep was proven to be one of the best man to bring up the talents from youth academy and with additional 240mil to back up his project. I wouldn't be surprised with 1 superstar purchase ''Falco or Suerez'' to be honest,.
     
         

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    Yea, that's what I was thinking... Pep was proven to be one of the best man to bring up the talents from youth academy and with additional 240mil to back up his project. I wouldn't be surprised with 1 superstar purchase ''Falco or Suerez'' to be honest,.
    I think he'll go for Suarez. He likes the false 9 and Suarez fits the bill, but Falcao is also a option, most likely Robben/Gomez will be out, so they'll have funds either way. It seems every club is going for false 9 look now a days.
     
         

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    I think he'll go for Suarez. He likes the false 9 and Suarez fits the bill, but Falcao is also a option, most likely Robben/Gomez will be out, so they'll have funds either way. It seems every club is going for false 9 look now a days.
    I have two separate opinions here one that agrees with you about Suarez and another one that Falco would be much better false 9 for Bayern but I'd wish him to stay at Athletico Madrid years to come.. some one must represent capital of Spain and intertain La liga
     
         

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