Re: General Football Debates!
He was given a wonderful ovation and hero's welcome before the start. He was booed after his first touch on the ball though. Respect for legends but United come first...That was correct.
Originally Posted by ReLax -
I don't think there's something to it. He spoke the truth and what he thought like he always does. There's no playing with media there. Even after the red card, he came to whisper to Ferguson that 'he understands that this was a bad decision but that he can't do much.' He even consoled Nani on his way back with a pat on his back. Mou is not a bad guy; he just speaks lots of truth that hurts Spain/Barca and the media there portray him as the destroyer. Like with the Casillas issue...
Originally Posted by Grim
As for Klopp, he is very happy at Dortmund. He said that he might leave it someday for either England or Spain; but it will be for a club who values legacies manager and where the owners don't fire managers as they wish and when they like. He also is relishing to have a tactical battle with Pep, next year. So, yeah, don't see him at Madrid next season. Though Mou might leave surely...
You wanna compare with previous similar incidents? Okay, as you wish...
Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi
In Pepe/Alves incident, Pepe clearly had Alves and the ball in his sight when he made his tackle and played the ball. Contact or no contact, he deliberately made that move to try to win the ball, even if it was dangerous for Alves. In that case, it was barely any contact but something with full notion of the position of the ball and player.
In the Zlatan's high foot on the GK where he was sent-off in a Ligue 1 match, his eyes was sorely on the ball but the GK was in front of his eyes but he still went ahead and karate-kicked the goalkeeper. Intentional or not there, at that incident, Zlatan knew that his high-foot was potentially dangerous for the goalkeeper.
I don't even want to get on the karate kick of De Jong on Alonso - that one should have been straight red. He knew Alonso's position, the ball was away and he hit intentionally.
Now, in Nani's situation, the ball was coming towards him. He gave a good glance around him and saw nobody, so he decide to control the ball with his foot. Arbeloa came rushing to fight for that ball. Nani didn't knew Arbeloa was nearby him and his eyes was sorely on the ball, without any intention to hurt a player. I believe Nani realized that someone came to gain the ball when Arbeloa made contact with his shoulder, Nani tried to remove his leg but it was too late and he hit Arbeloa. It was a completely unintentional incident with the player, not even in front of his eyes when he made a high-foot attempt. Now, since contact was made, perhaps a yellow card was deserved and if, at most the player was highly injured (and don't pull me off that the player could have been killed bullshit ), then a red was deserved. But Arbeloa was fine, he got a quickly afterwards to his feet and no harm was done. There was barely any vicious demand of red cards from Madrid players. The referee just robbed United.
And just to present a last case where a high foot was made in a similar situation to Nani, some months ago, Collocini made a similar high-foot attempt without noticing Ba's at first. The difference between the 2 situations, it was the same thing but there, Ba got a broken nose, no penalty and Collocini didn't even receive a yellow. Why does Nani with non-harmful contact get red while the same thing with a broken nose contact as result give inverse decisions by referee?
This was complete robbery by the referee. There were lots of situation in this match that were controversial. Rafael's handball unintentionally, 5 penalty appeals of United overruled - with 2 at the very least being legitimate in my eyes, D.Lopez punched Vidic with both fists after the ball. Hell, even I can speak some crap by saying that Lopez made contact after the ball was gone, that there was contact and that Vidic could have got a concussion and died and so on...But stop speaking stupidities! Oh and there was also Welbeck who ruled offside after Vidic's header hit the post but what was the thing that prevented Welbeck's to re-position himself? Something like this probably:
There was also the red card and foul not given to Varane on Evra in he first leg and so on...
But still, I personally can overlook these decisions because in those "mistakes" of the referee, he has the benefit of doubt. He may say that he didn't see those fouls clearly as he's human and thereby, he couldn't give the right decision. That's something that barely acceptable but can be okayed. But how can you give a RED CARD on a WRONG INCIDENT where there was NO such thing? That's scandalous and a complete robbery. He didn't even asked his assistant on that incident and just red-carded an innocent player and ruined a match for a team, on an imaginary assault.
Mike Phelan (assistant manager of united): "The fourth official was even shocked, and he told us he had no idea what happened!"
Not seeing something (even deliberately) at most can be argued as a mistake but seeing an imaginary assault, that's corrupted.
2008 : UCL Final Man United - Chelsea [Platini says is not good for European football that two teams of same country go to the final because it means that European football is losing its beauty.]
2012 : Barcelona and R.Madrid go to semi-finals. [Platini says he would love to see both teams in the final. None of them makes it]
World Best XI all from La Liga, when UCL was won by an EPL team and none of those players made it to the final.
Cunyet Cakir showing red cards to EPL players [Gerrard (Liverpool) , Nani (Man United) , Cahill & Terry (Chelsea), Balotelli (Man City). What the actual hell Platini ? This incident is way too fishy. And I wouldn't be surprised of another controversial decision in Barca/Milan next week to be honest.
Yes, credits to Madrid to do what was necessary after United was reduced to 10. Modric's goal was a beast but the assist of the night remains the referee. United's tactic worked perfectly before the red card as Madrid didn't pose more problems to United than a mid-table EPL team. But it was impossible to resist Madrid after the red card. The corners and attacks of Madrid continued relentlessly for 10 minutes that seemed like 30 minutes of torture. We tried with RVP's long-shot before Modric's goal but in vain...Madrid scored their 2 goals.
Afterwards, Madrid decided to defend and counter as this is what they are best at, and this was a tactic where they were more at ease. Kudos to United to fight till the end, even at 10, and create even 5-6 great chances though Madrid's counters remained dangerous with quite some chances for CR7/Kaka. But it was game over after the red card. It's the red card which helped Madrid yesterday. Mou is right when he says that he isn't sure if they would have won if it remains 11 v 11.
And as much as I prefer Madrid over Barca, Rooney is right with his assessment:
Wayne Rooney: "Barca won us with football and Madrid won us with Robbery"