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    I heard some United fans even booed CR today.
     
         

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    Jose Mourinho believes Manchester United were better than his team during Real Madrid's 2-1 victory at Old Trafford.

    Now I don't buy it.. there is something to it... and i wonder what could it be... I guess we will find out this summer.

    Also I see lots of stupid Barca fans who think if Jose leaves this summer RM will be out of competition.... probably opposite if Klopp get's the Job... hopefully not


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    you know what ? that assault which Nani did remind me of Pepe and Alves incident in UCL Semi Final a couple years ago,
    just like Relax said back then " it was an assault contact or no contact its still dangerous the red card is justified"

    now last night we did see Nani is nowhere near the ball, he hit Arbeloa head on in the ribs, while Pepe don't hit Alves at all and manage to win the ball, but he was sent off anyway,

    so this one is more reasonable, Nani could have killed Arbeloa with that challenge
    so please no more talk about the red card, it was the right decision, MANU could have keep their lead or even scored more like Chelsea did to Barca last season, but hey park the bus don't work against Madrid, we know how to break it shoot through the window like Modric did,

    OK 1 2 3 HALA MADRID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto N. Uzumaki View Post
    if it wasn't for ref Madrid would of lost to Barcelona and united

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    You mean the same ref that ruled out a legitimate madrid goal and handball? Funny how everyone seems to forget that incident.
    Moreover, I didnt see Brendan Rogers refusing to give a post match interview after his team lost because of an unfair red card. United are just sore losers.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReLax - View Post
    I heard some United fans even booed CR today.
    He was given a wonderful ovation and hero's welcome before the start. He was booed after his first touch on the ball though. Respect for legends but United come first...That was correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim View Post
    Jose Mourinho believes Manchester United were better than his team during Real Madrid's 2-1 victory at Old Trafford.

    Now I don't buy it.. there is something to it... and i wonder what could it be... I guess we will find out this summer.

    Also I see lots of stupid Barca fans who think if Jose leaves this summer RM will be out of competition.... probably opposite if Klopp get's the Job... hopefully not
    nice overview
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    I don't think there's something to it. He spoke the truth and what he thought like he always does. There's no playing with media there. Even after the red card, he came to whisper to Ferguson that 'he understands that this was a bad decision but that he can't do much.' He even consoled Nani on his way back with a pat on his back. Mou is not a bad guy; he just speaks lots of truth that hurts Spain/Barca and the media there portray him as the destroyer. Like with the Casillas issue...

    As for Klopp, he is very happy at Dortmund. He said that he might leave it someday for either England or Spain; but it will be for a club who values legacies manager and where the owners don't fire managers as they wish and when they like. He also is relishing to have a tactical battle with Pep, next year. So, yeah, don't see him at Madrid next season. Though Mou might leave surely...

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    you know what ? that assault which Nani did remind me of Pepe and Alves incident in UCL Semi Final a couple years ago,
    just like Relax said back then " it was an assault contact or no contact its still dangerous the red card is justified"

    now last night we did see Nani is nowhere near the ball, he hit Arbeloa head on in the ribs, while Pepe don't hit Alves at all and manage to win the ball, but he was sent off anyway,

    so this one is more reasonable, Nani could have killed Arbeloa with that challenge
    so please no more talk about the red card, it was the right decision, MANU could have keep their lead or even scored more like Chelsea did to Barca last season, but hey park the bus don't work against Madrid, we know how to break it shoot through the window like Modric did,

    OK 1 2 3 HALA MADRID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    You wanna compare with previous similar incidents? Okay, as you wish...

    In Pepe/Alves incident, Pepe clearly had Alves and the ball in his sight when he made his tackle and played the ball. Contact or no contact, he deliberately made that move to try to win the ball, even if it was dangerous for Alves. In that case, it was barely any contact but something with full notion of the position of the ball and player.

    In the Zlatan's high foot on the GK where he was sent-off in a Ligue 1 match, his eyes was sorely on the ball but the GK was in front of his eyes but he still went ahead and karate-kicked the goalkeeper. Intentional or not there, at that incident, Zlatan knew that his high-foot was potentially dangerous for the goalkeeper.

    I don't even want to get on the karate kick of De Jong on Alonso - that one should have been straight red. He knew Alonso's position, the ball was away and he hit intentionally.

    Now, in Nani's situation, the ball was coming towards him. He gave a good glance around him and saw nobody, so he decide to control the ball with his foot. Arbeloa came rushing to fight for that ball. Nani didn't knew Arbeloa was nearby him and his eyes was sorely on the ball, without any intention to hurt a player. I believe Nani realized that someone came to gain the ball when Arbeloa made contact with his shoulder, Nani tried to remove his leg but it was too late and he hit Arbeloa. It was a completely unintentional incident with the player, not even in front of his eyes when he made a high-foot attempt. Now, since contact was made, perhaps a yellow card was deserved and if, at most the player was highly injured (and don't pull me off that the player could have been killed bullshit ), then a red was deserved. But Arbeloa was fine, he got a quickly afterwards to his feet and no harm was done. There was barely any vicious demand of red cards from Madrid players. The referee just robbed United.

    And just to present a last case where a high foot was made in a similar situation to Nani, some months ago, Collocini made a similar high-foot attempt without noticing Ba's at first. The difference between the 2 situations, it was the same thing but there, Ba got a broken nose, no penalty and Collocini didn't even receive a yellow. Why does Nani with non-harmful contact get red while the same thing with a broken nose contact as result give inverse decisions by referee?

    This was complete robbery by the referee. There were lots of situation in this match that were controversial. Rafael's handball unintentionally, 5 penalty appeals of United overruled - with 2 at the very least being legitimate in my eyes, D.Lopez punched Vidic with both fists after the ball. Hell, even I can speak some crap by saying that Lopez made contact after the ball was gone, that there was contact and that Vidic could have got a concussion and died and so on...But stop speaking stupidities! Oh and there was also Welbeck who ruled offside after Vidic's header hit the post but what was the thing that prevented Welbeck's to re-position himself? Something like this probably:



    There was also the red card and foul not given to Varane on Evra in he first leg and so on...
    But still, I personally can overlook these decisions because in those "mistakes" of the referee, he has the benefit of doubt. He may say that he didn't see those fouls clearly as he's human and thereby, he couldn't give the right decision. That's something that barely acceptable but can be okayed. But how can you give a RED CARD on a WRONG INCIDENT where there was NO such thing? That's scandalous and a complete robbery. He didn't even asked his assistant on that incident and just red-carded an innocent player and ruined a match for a team, on an imaginary assault.

    Mike Phelan (assistant manager of united): "The fourth official was even shocked, and he told us he had no idea what happened!"

    Not seeing something (even deliberately) at most can be argued as a mistake but seeing an imaginary assault, that's corrupted.

    2008 : UCL Final Man United - Chelsea [Platini says is not good for European football that two teams of same country go to the final because it means that European football is losing its beauty.]

    2012 : Barcelona and R.Madrid go to semi-finals. [Platini says he would love to see both teams in the final. None of them makes it]

    World Best XI all from La Liga, when UCL was won by an EPL team and none of those players made it to the final.
    Cunyet Cakir showing red cards to EPL players [Gerrard (Liverpool) , Nani (Man United) , Cahill & Terry (Chelsea), Balotelli (Man City). What the actual hell Platini ? This incident is way too fishy. And I wouldn't be surprised of another controversial decision in Barca/Milan next week to be honest.

    Yes, credits to Madrid to do what was necessary after United was reduced to 10. Modric's goal was a beast but the assist of the night remains the referee. United's tactic worked perfectly before the red card as Madrid didn't pose more problems to United than a mid-table EPL team. But it was impossible to resist Madrid after the red card. The corners and attacks of Madrid continued relentlessly for 10 minutes that seemed like 30 minutes of torture. We tried with RVP's long-shot before Modric's goal but in vain...Madrid scored their 2 goals.

    Afterwards, Madrid decided to defend and counter as this is what they are best at, and this was a tactic where they were more at ease. Kudos to United to fight till the end, even at 10, and create even 5-6 great chances though Madrid's counters remained dangerous with quite some chances for CR7/Kaka. But it was game over after the red card. It's the red card which helped Madrid yesterday. Mou is right when he says that he isn't sure if they would have won if it remains 11 v 11.

    And as much as I prefer Madrid over Barca, Rooney is right with his assessment:

    Wayne Rooney: "Barca won us with football and Madrid won us with Robbery"
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    You mean the same ref that ruled out a legitimate madrid goal and handball? Funny how everyone seems to forget that incident.
    Moreover, I didnt see Brendan Rogers refusing to give a post match interview after his team lost because of an unfair red card. United are just sore losers.
    No my friend United are not sore losers, if you watched the game even you should know that Madrid won a fluked game whether you are a fan or not. United played a better game, they were the better team.

    It's as clear as daylight.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    You mean the same ref that ruled out a legitimate madrid goal and handball? Funny how everyone seems to forget that incident.
    Moreover, I didnt see Brendan Rogers refusing to give a post match interview after his team lost because of an unfair red card. United are just sore losers.
    What legitimate goal? As for the handball, I talked about it above as I did on numerous other incidents in that match..
    Brendan Rodgers??? I think you're drunk right now.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    What legitimate goal? As for the handball, I talked about it above as I did on numerous other incidents in that match..
    Brendan Rodgers??? I think you're drunk right now.
    The one from Sergio Ramos. It wasnt even close to being a foul. And yes Brendan Rogers is liverpool's manager. He had a player sent off against united in september, for a tackle that should have been yellow or red cards for both the united and liverpool player as they both went in dangerously.
    Point is the ref made terrible decisions against madrid as well.
     
         
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    The one from Sergio Ramos. It wasnt even close to being a foul. And yes Brendan Rogers is liverpool's manager. He had a player sent off against united in september, for a tackle that should have been yellow or yellow cards for both t he united and liverpool player as they both went in dangerously.
    Point is the ref made terrible decisions against madrid as well.
    I agree, poor decisions are made all the time, United aren't the only ones who were victims to this so there shouldn't be any serious battering. United were unlucky, but other teams suffered these cases as well nothing to it.

    What really bugs me though is some Madrid "fans" are proud of their win and are so preconceived about it. Their victory really isn't something to be proud of.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    You wanna compare with previous similar incidents? Okay, as you wish...

    In Pepe/Alves incident, Pepe clearly had Alves and the ball in his sight when he made his tackle and played the ball. Contact or no contact, he deliberately made that move to try to win the ball, even if it was dangerous for Alves. In that case, it was barely any contact but something with full notion of the position of the ball and player.
    yeah but he was trying to win the ball yes ? and he did without touching Alves at all, it doesn't matter whether he saw Alves at the very least he manage to win ball without hurting Alves but that guy dives anyway resulted in red card and costed Madrid the game, but its hard for the referee to gauge what actually happen since it happen so fast let alone Alves incredible spin and how the other Barca players crowd the referee soon after the incident......

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    Now, in Nani's situation, the ball was coming towards him. He gave a good glance around him and saw nobody, so he decide to control the ball with his foot. Arbeloa came rushing to fight for that ball. Nani didn't knew Arbeloa was nearby him and his eyes was sorely on the ball, without any intention to hurt a player. I believe Nani realized that someone came to gain the ball when Arbeloa made contact with his shoulder, Nani tried to remove his leg but it was too late and he hit Arbeloa. It was a completely unintentional incident with the player, not even in front of his eyes when he made a high-foot attempt. Now, since contact was made, perhaps a yellow card was deserved and if, at most the player was highly injured (and don't pull me off that the player could have been killed bullshit ), then a red was deserved. But Arbeloa was fine, he got a quickly afterwards to his feet and no harm was done. There was barely any vicious demand of red cards from Madrid players. The referee just robbed United.
    "The high kick (raising the foot above waist level) is another act that may, or may not, be dangerous play. Determination must be made as to the proximity and danger to an opponent. If contact is made, and is deemed dangerous, then a red card may be brandished."

    These are the FIFA rules. There was definitely contact (the first condition), and the referee deemed it dangerous (which it was --- second condtion), and hence a red card is fully justified under FIFA rules. Referee got it as right as possible from the angle he was in. Simple as that.

    how the hell united fans know that Nani eyes was on the ball ? oh well it doesn't really matter since it was foul nonetheless, as professional footballer he should know that Arbeloa is just 5 meter behind and he did see Arbeloa coming but he jumped anyway and kick Arbeloa ribs not once but twice, watch the Video he added another impact after the kick, to make things even worse he dived and pretend to be the victim the dude don't do himself any favor,

    if only, if only he stood up and apologize to Arbeloa and help him up from that challenge, it could have been yellow, but instead he dives :shrug:

    Nani red card was justified, insists Keane

    Roy Keane (Ex Manchester United Captain and MANU Living Legend) : "Everyone's upset about it and it's slightly unlucky, but it's dangerous play. Whether he meant it or not is irrelevant. It's dangerous play - it's a red card.
    "You have to be aware of other players on the pitch. Does he think he's going to have 20 yards to himself?
    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________

    We cannot take the reason that Nani only focus on the ball 100%. Even adebayor has collected many red cards for focus on a ball to win a possession.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    And just to present a last case where a high foot was made in a similar situation to Nani, some months ago, Collocini made a similar high-foot attempt without noticing Ba's at first. The difference between the 2 situations, it was the same thing but there, Ba got a broken nose, no penalty and Collocini didn't even receive a yellow. Why does Nani with non-harmful contact get red while the same thing with a broken nose contact as result give inverse decisions by referee?
    Error from the Ref, its just that simple, everyone know that EPL don't have any decent Referee

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    This was complete robbery by the referee. There were lots of situation in this match that were controversial. Rafael's handball unintentionally, 5 penalty appeals of United overruled - with 2 at the very least being legitimate in my eyes, D.Lopez punched Vidic with both fists after the ball. Hell, even I can speak some crap by saying that Lopez made contact after the ball was gone, that there was contact and that Vidic could have got a concussion and died and so on...But stop speaking stupidities! Oh and there was also Welbeck who ruled offside after Vidic's header hit the post but what was the thing that prevented Welbeck's to re-position himself? Something like this probably:



    There was also the red card and foul not given to Varane on Evra in he first leg and so on...
    But still, I personally can overlook these decisions because in those "mistakes" of the referee, he has the benefit of doubt. He may say that he didn't see those fouls clearly as he's human and thereby, he couldn't give the right decision. That's something that barely acceptable but can be okayed. But how can you give a RED CARD on a WRONG INCIDENT where there was NO such thing? That's scandalous and a complete robbery. He didn't even asked his assistant on that incident and just red-carded an innocent player and ruined a match for a team, on an imaginary assault.
    how the hell that shirt pulling prevent Danny boy to re-positioning himself ? Ramos is pulling him from the back, not the other way around, i fact Danny boy could have easily re-position himself, but that boy still don't have enough striker awareness,

    and again its not a wrong incident neither imaginary assault, its actually happen and its dangerous,
    RED CARD IS JUSTIFIED, take it or leave it !!!!!!
    MANU played some great football, SAF nearly show the world how he win a match with incredible tactical approach,
    but in football terms nearly means NOWHERE,

    Kudos to United, try again next year


    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    2008 : UCL Final Man United - Chelsea [Platini says is not good for European football that two teams of same country go to the final because it means that European football is losing its beauty.]

    2012 : Barcelona and R.Madrid go to semi-finals. [Platini says he would love to see both teams in the final. None of them makes it]

    World Best XI all from La Liga, when UCL was won by an EPL team and none of those players made it to the final.
    Cunyet Cakir showing red cards to EPL players [Gerrard (Liverpool) , Nani (Man United) , Cahill & Terry (Chelsea), Balotelli (Man City). What the actual hell Platini ? This incident is way too fishy. And I wouldn't be surprised of another controversial decision in Barca/Milan next week to be honest.
    **** Platini, he was a Rubentus fanboy, they way he decrease the SERIE A UCL spot is pathetic just because FIGC slam at rubentus scandalous action.......

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    And as much as I prefer Madrid over Barca, Rooney is right with his assessment:

    Wayne Rooney: "Barca won us with football and Madrid won us with Robbery"
    LOL that Ogre should STFU and learn from Chelsea, the red card its not the turning point, MANU is doing well defending with 10 men but Modric destroyed their wall,

    and also SAF should have take out Danny boy and some of attacking player and put another defensive player soon after the red card to maintain the lead :shrug:

    EDIT: i forget something....

    1 2 3 HALA MADRID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    The one from Sergio Ramos. It wasnt even close to being a foul. And yes Brendan Rogers is liverpool's manager. He had a player sent off against united in september, for a tackle that should have been yellow or red cards for both the united and liverpool player as they both went in dangerously.
    Point is the ref made terrible decisions against madrid as well.
    It's a foul. Ramos used his arm and partially his elbow to prevent RVP from jumping and challenging for the ball. Atleast, that was what the referee deemed. It wasn't about hurting RVP.

    I still don't get why you are mentioning Liverpool but anyways, I do agree that all teams are victim of poor refereeing but still, a red card for an unintentional foul is a high price to pay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    yeah but he was trying to win the ball yes ? and he did without touching Alves at all, it doesn't matter whether he saw Alves at the very least he manage to win ball without hurting Alves but that guy dives anyway resulted in red card and costed Madrid the game, but its hard for the referee to gauge what actually happen since it happen so fast let alone Alves incredible spin and how the other Barca players crowd the referee soon after the incident......

    "The high kick (raising the foot above waist level) is another act that may, or may not, be dangerous play. Determination must be made as to the proximity and danger to an opponent. If contact is made, and is deemed dangerous, then a red card may be brandished."

    These are the FIFA rules. There was definitely contact (the first condition), and the referee deemed it dangerous (which it was --- second condtion), and hence a red card is fully justified under FIFA rules. Referee got it as right as possible from the angle he was in. Simple as that.

    how the hell united fans know that Nani eyes was on the ball ? oh well it doesn't really matter since it was foul nonetheless, as professional footballer he should know that Arbeloa is just 5 meter behind and he did see Arbeloa coming but he jumped anyway and kick Arbeloa ribs not once but twice, watch the Video he added another impact after the kick, to make things even worse he dived and pretend to be the victim the dude don't do himself any favor,

    if only, if only he stood up and apologize to Arbeloa and help him up from that challenge, it could have been yellow, but instead he dives :shrug:

    Nani red card was justified, insists Keane

    Roy Keane (Ex Manchester United Captain and MANU Living Legend) : "Everyone's upset about it and it's slightly unlucky, but it's dangerous play. Whether he meant it or not is irrelevant. It's dangerous play - it's a red card.
    "You have to be aware of other players on the pitch. Does he think he's going to have 20 yards to himself?
    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________

    We cannot take the reason that Nani only focus on the ball 100%. Even adebayor has collected many red cards for focus on a ball to win a possession.....

    Error from the Ref, its just that simple, everyone know that EPL don't have any decent Referee

    how the hell that shirt pulling prevent Danny boy to re-positioning himself ? Ramos is pulling him from the back, not the other way around, i fact Danny boy could have easily re-position himself, but that boy still don't have enough striker awareness,

    and again its not a wrong incident neither imaginary assault, its actually happen and its dangerous,
    RED CARD IS JUSTIFIED, take it or leave it !!!!!!
    MANU played some great football, SAF nearly show the world how he win a match with incredible tactical approach,
    but in football terms nearly means NOWHERE,

    Kudos to United, try again next year

    **** Platini, he was a Rubentus fanboy, they way he decrease the SERIE A UCL spot is pathetic just because FIGC slam at rubentus scandalous action.......

    LOL that Ogre should STFU and learn from Chelsea, the red card its not the turning point, MANU is doing well defending with 10 men but Modric destroyed their wall,

    and also SAF should have take out Danny boy and some of attacking player and put another defensive player soon after the red card to maintain the lead :shrug:

    EDIT: i forget something....

    1 2 3 HALA MADRID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Well, in my eyes, Pepe never deserved a red on that one and neither does Nani yesterday.

    There's 3 keywords in this rule; not 2. Contact, Dangerous, Proximity. There was contact; albeit non-intentional but there was, that I can't deny.

    But then it's a scandalous decision. He deemed it dangerous from the angle he was in??? Really? Shouldn't he check whether Arbeloa indeed got hurt or shouldn't he atleast talk to Nani on the spot? Or talk to its assistants?

    Most of the stadiums fans, most of the players, coaches, 4th assistant, even Arbeloa didn't deemed it to be a red card. How can the referee be so certain about such a decision? Besides, the 3rd word clearly pleads in favor of Nani.

    Arbeloa wasn't in proximity of Nani when his foot was lifted up and it's Arbeloa who himself came challenging towards the ball, and be in proximity of the high foot. The referee may have applied the rules but he misjudged the situation of the action and the intention of both players completely then.

    And replays clearly shows that Nani's eyes was on the ball...Let get this straight - Nani lifted his foot before seeing Arbeloa and before Arbeloa came rushing towards the ball if you see the replays clearly. In that situation, it's more like Arbeloa had suicidal tendencies than Nani had murderous intent.

    I can't explain the dive. Hell, it's hard to explain the psyche of a player when he dives but still, the dive has no relation at all with the red card. It was a yellow at most and a situation where referee should have talked to Nani & his assistants further more.

    Roy Keane is just bitter of how his career ended with ManU. Don't listen to him...

    Come on, it's not like EPL have all bad referees...It was an error from referee as it should have been a penalty and atleast a yellow (red, perhaps because of broken nose, that's up to debate). Point is, the reason that the referee didn't gave anything to Collocini, is because he talked with 2 of his referees and to Collocini, and concluded that Collocini couldn't remove his foot when Ba did the header. Thereby, he understood that it's more of an unfortunate foul from Collocini than an assault. The case is mirror-image of that of Nani. No malice, he lifted his foot before Arbeloa's challenge and not vice-versa and he couldn't remove his leg in time afterwards.

    Yes, Welbeck lacked striker awareness there and searched for a penalty instead of positioning himself. Still, it was a foul attempt by Ramos to disrupt Welbeck. Oh well, as I said, I don't really care about those non-given fouls for Madrid & United. If United lost 11 v 11, even after the non-given penalties and stuffs, I would have taken it to the chin and accept it. But losing to a harsh red card as that, is scandalous. It ruined the gameplan and much merit from Madrid's win imo. That's my opinion, like it or hate it.

    We play counter-attacking football; not park-the-bus lol... We never meant to defend like that. Chelsea resisting Barca with 10 men, was a God's miracle but anyways, Chelsea started both matches by defending with all players and maintained same tactic even after losing one man. It's not like that, for yesterday.

    The tactic got ruined after the red card and against Madrid, who follows a less-sketched route as Barca, Madrid won. Again, kudos on Madrid to score those 2 goals but then again, I don't think United would have resisted anyways against Madrid when they were down at 10. It was mission impossible in my eyes. Also, we had only one defensive player - Evans (CB) on the bench while the rest were striker and wingers. Taking out Welbeck for a defender wouldn't have made any sense as then, we would have lost Nani & Welbeck which were our 2 players doing the counters for us. At most, we could have play a box-to-box mid in place of Welbeck but we didn't have such a player for that. Nah, I don't think United had a chance after red card; except if D.Lopez wasn't so good and made more mistakes. But at 11 v 11, I think United would have not only gone through but also win the match yesterday.

    Anyways, bravo to Madrid for making the most out of the red card, bravo to United for giving a fantastic performance for 60 minutes and fighting till the end nonetheless even after it but f**k the referee for making a rash decision on an unfortunate incident that deserved a yellow at most.
     
         

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    Well, in my eyes, Pepe never deserved a red on that one and neither does Nani yesterday.
    well i agree but its difficult for the referee to make any clear judgement over the incident cause he was surrounded by Barca players and also Alves act is really convincing even i fall for that......
    and then i saw him come back into the pitch and running like a ***** as if nothing happened......

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    There's 3 keywords in this rule; not 2. Contact, Dangerous, Proximity. There was contact; albeit non-intentional but there was, that I can't deny.

    But then it's a scandalous decision. He deemed it dangerous from the angle he was in??? Really? Shouldn't he check whether Arbeloa indeed got hurt or shouldn't he atleast talk to Nani on the spot? Or talk to its assistants?
    the ref position, is just on the left side of Nani when he kicked Arbeloa, i presume he got clear view of the incident,
    at 1st i think it was a foul by Arbeloa since the ref is coming for Nani, but it was Nani who did it,i assume the REF will give a yellow for Nani that red shocked me too i don't know what the hell is going on,

    but when i saw the replay i started think that red card is the righ call after all

    if you look at it that was dirty stuff Nani tried to pull after he kicked Arbeloa, he add another impact which is very dangerous and completely uncalled since he already loss the ball, that's why its a red card its a dangerous play,

    Nani realized that and tried to played the victim A.K.A deceive the referee that perhaps convince the referee that red more appropriate, and also the ref don't show red card immediately he takes time to measure the incident and decided to show red

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    Most of the stadiums fans, most of the players, coaches, 4th assistant, even Arbeloa didn't deemed it to be a red card. How can the referee be so certain about such a decision? Besides, the 3rd word clearly pleads in favor of Nani.
    yes, but in the end the referee have the time to act as human or to follow the rule, he chose the latter
    or do you 1-2 see Arbeloa to do a barrel roll like Alves ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    And replays clearly shows that Nani's eyes was on the ball...Let get this straight - Nani lifted his foot before seeing Arbeloa and before Arbeloa came rushing towards the ball if you see the replays clearly. In that situation, it's more like Arbeloa had suicidal tendencies than Nani had murderous intent.
    its the kick after the 1st impact that made the referee shows red...



    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    Roy Keane is just bitter of how his career ended with ManU. Don't listen to him...
    come one that man is still a legend, or are you willing to listen to Joey Barton ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    We play counter-attacking football; not park-the-bus lol... We never meant to defend like that. Chelsea resisting Barca with 10 men, was a God's miracle but anyways, Chelsea started both matches by defending with all players and maintained same tactic even after losing one man. It's not like that, for yesterday.

    The tactic got ruined after the red card and against Madrid, who follows a less-sketched route as Barca, Madrid won. Again, kudos on Madrid to score those 2 goals but then again, I don't think United would have resisted anyways against Madrid when they were down at 10. It was mission impossible in my eyes. Also, we had only one defensive player - Evans (CB) on the bench while the rest were striker and wingers. Taking out Welbeck for a defender wouldn't have made any sense as then, we would have lost Nani & Welbeck which were our 2 players doing the counters for us. At most, we could have play a box-to-box mid in place of Welbeck but we didn't have such a player for that. Nah, I don't think United had a chance after red card; except if D.Lopez wasn't so good and made more mistakes. But at 11 v 11, I think United would have not only gone through but also win the match yesterday.
    am talking about after the red card, not before that, MANU park the bus after the red card, SAF should have order full scale defense after that........
    MANU could have maintain their lead if the played it like Chelsea


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    well i agree but its difficult for the referee to make any clear judgement over the incident cause he was surrounded by Barca players and also Alves act is really convincing even i fall for that......
    and then i saw him come back into the pitch and running like a ***** as if nothing happened......

    the ref position, is just on the left side of Nani when he kicked Arbeloa, i presume he got clear view of the incident,
    at 1st i think it was a foul by Arbeloa since the ref is coming for Nani, but it was Nani who did it,i assume the REF will give a yellow for Nani that red shocked me too i don't know what the hell is going on,

    but when i saw the replay i started think that red card is the righ call after all

    if you look at it that was dirty stuff Nani tried to pull after he kicked Arbeloa, he add another impact which is very dangerous and completely uncalled since he already loss the ball, that's why its a red card its a dangerous play,

    Nani realized that and tried to played the victim A.K.A deceive the referee that perhaps convince the referee that red more appropriate, and also the ref don't show red card immediately he takes time to measure the incident and decided to show red

    yes, but in the end the referee have the time to act as human or to follow the rule, he chose the latter
    or do you 1-2 see Arbeloa to do a barrel roll like Alves ?

    its the kick after the 1st impact that made the referee shows red...

    come one that man is still a legend, or are you willing to listen to Joey Barton ?

    am talking about after the red card, not before that, MANU park the bus after the red card, SAF should have order full scale defense after that........
    MANU could have maintain their lead if the played it like Chelsea

    OK 1 2 3 HALA MADRID!!!!!!!!!!!
    A red card is one the most crucial decision decided upon referees. By such, when it is "difficult to make clear judgment", I think, it's often best not to lift a red card as you're not 100% sure of your decision and that you might alter the game on a mistake of yours. That's my view.

    I just saw that replay 7 times and I still don't see an added impact from Nani. Yes, if you watch the second angle replay which is in slow-motion, you can argue that it seems Nani seems to push Arbeloa aside from his foot. But frankly, in the normal speed, I don't see any dirty stuff from Nani. I doubt Nani could have done anything after Arbeloa challenges for the ball. With the speed of the action, the quickness the foot was lifted and everything, he had no time to remove his leg as Nani himself was losing his balance after Arbeloa challenged him. At most, your so-claimed-dangerous 2nd-impact is more due to Nani being in the motion of losing his balance and without any dirty malice.

    Besides, it's barely noticeable at normal speed as the clash contact between Nani & Arbeloa is very short. No matter his closeness to the action, the referee barely should have saw any dangerous contact from Nani. Maybe because it hit the ribs but still, if he was that close, he should have notice clearly how Nani's foot was lifted before Arbeloa's challenge and that Nani could barely have done something to move out of the way. Oh well, the red card is controversial.

    Roy Keane holds a grudge against SAF; even if he remain a United fan. The guy is the best midfield general we had but still, he remains bitter of how SAF puts him out. He needs to get over it. Even Manchester City's captain Kompany agrees that this was definitely not a red card. Atleast, in England, I don't think this would have been a red ever.

    We didn't park the bus as tactic after red card. We had one counter but Madrid had like 5-6 corners and continuous possession. It was really tough to resist and do something other than defending as Madrid pressured us a lot at 10.

    Could have maintain if played like Chelsea? I don't know as that's a fictional assumption. Perhaps. Perhaps not. Not all teams who park the bus succeeds. But what I do know, is that we never wanted to park the bus at any moment in the match. We came to play counter-attacking football, we were forced to park the bus under pressure against our will but after Madrid decided to revert back to their own counter-attacking style when they were leading, we played high offensive football. I'm proud of how Manchester played and frankly, I didn't want them to win that match like Chelsea. We wanted to win with our own style, tactic and spirit and we were doing it brilliantly until the red card.
     
         

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    After watching the replay I can understand why he gave a red but it was the wrong decision
     
         

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    My, my, all this arguing... or healthy discussion is perhaps the better word.
    Here's all I'm going to say:

    Referees makes mistakes, it's only natural. It was harsh, but it looked dangerous indeed.

    Great match, but boring first half.

    Hmm... I was suppose to say something else as well, but forgot about it... Oh yeah, be nice people xD ^^

    Now it's manga time :D
     
         

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    I'll post something on Dortmund-Shakhtar cause Dortmund are playing very well in the ChL. They deserve a post dedicated to them. =P

    3-0
    Agg: 5-2
    First result: 2-2

    Dortmund made the perfect performance yesterday! They proved that they can do more, they can win against Shakhtar easily. At the first match, Dortmund were complitely different and they almost ended up losing but luckily they scored and got a draw. So at the first match they made Shakhtar look as a dangerous team that is in the same level as Dortmund. Second match proved something else. Dortmund took the control of the game totally and had a better attack and defence. Even in Shakhtar were 2 goals behind they still tried to take the control away from Dortmund but that was very hard for Shakhtar. Then, Dortmund's 3rd goal had a big effect in Shakhtar's players. They gave up on thinking they can't do anything about this match so Dortmund took the whole control.

    At the first half, Dortmund got the lead and it took only 6 minutes to score another one. At the end of the first half Shakhtar tried creating some chances but those chances were off-target.
    At the start of the second-half Shakhtar became dangerous on trying to score a goal but Dortmund scored again. That goal came from a big mistake of Shakhtar's goalkeeper so Dortmund didn't missed that good chance. After that, Shakhtar had nothing to do about that match. Dortmund deserved the victory.

    Until now, Dortmund unbeaten in eight straight ChL games. Gotze the man of this match...
     
         

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    Tonight's matches:

    PSG vs Valencia

    Agg: 2-1
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    Juventus vs Celtic

    Agg: 3-0
     
         

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    Juventus goal... No way Celtic is going to get 4 goals away against Juventus to get extra time.

    Teams through so far:

    Real
    Dortmund
    Juventus (You have to see this now, lol).

    Teams that are most likely through, unless a strong comeback happens:

    Bayern and Milan.

    Other teams that I think will go through:

    PSG, Schalke and Malaga (despite losing 1-0 away in the first leg).

    Predictions for quarter finals:

    1:

    Schalke - Malaga

    PSG - Real

    Juventus - Bayern

    Milan - Dortmund.

    2:

    PSG - Malaga

    Real - Juventus

    Dortmund - Bayern

    Milan - Schalke

    3:

    Real - Milan

    PSG - Schalke

    Dortmund - Juventus

    Malaga - Bayern.

    I think 2 will happen
     
         
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    News article you guys have to read

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/...144837969.html

    United fan rang 999 (police) over nani red card
     
         

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    I don't think there's something to it. He spoke the truth and what he thought like he always does. There's no playing with media there. Even after the red card, he came to whisper to Ferguson that 'he understands that this was a bad decision but that he can't do much.' He even consoled Nani on his way back with a pat on his back. Mou is not a bad guy; he just speaks lots of truth that hurts Spain/Barca and the media there portray him as the destroyer. Like with the Casillas issue...

    As for Klopp, he is very happy at Dortmund. He said that he might leave it someday for either England or Spain; but it will be for a club who values legacies manager and where the owners don't fire managers as they wish and when they like. He also is relishing to have a tactical battle with Pep, next year. So, yeah, don't see him at Madrid next season. Though Mou might leave surely...
    The most respected Australian football commentator even talked about it yesterday... he's not a good boy. He's tactician not only on the field but off the field :P but let's leave it to our opinions.

    Anyone else thinks that UEFA should stop being bigger than football itself? With SAF and RIO getting sanctions ... Rio simply for sarcastic clapping and Saf should have gone there and face cruel reality and ask some stupid questions.

    and back to Rio when did UEFA approve sarcasm detector lol, whos call was that ?


    ''look, look, LOOK!!! this f*** n*** Rio why the **** are you clapping, don't like the call, FINE!''

    it doesn't make any sense
     
         

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