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    rasengan

    rasengan as i remembered what j man told naruto is that he can only show him the basics of it. the rest is up to naruto to develope his own style and level of rasengan due to the nature of it, that everyone will have a different style of rasengan. but not everyone can progress further , such as narutos father and j man. so i still think rasengan is still narutos signiture shot cus he has produced all sorts/powers of different rasengans. so as the thing of everyone else using it, just only shows that they can do the basics, but does not mean they can go any futher with it, even if they do, it will be different to narutos rasengan , the way its used and the power it has. but naruto will still have to most powerful rasengan due to him having the 8 tail.
     
         

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    1.)
    Differences from Naruto's Rasengan summarized (I think everyone knows, and all have been posted, I'm just gathering them up.) For a visual comparison please see the link: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/167/17/
    a.) Kono's was much smaller indicating he can't draw out enough chakra or he can draw out enough, but not control it (thus he needs to draw out less).
    b.) He required two hands (one his, one a shadow clone) to control the Rasengan
    c.) It took him up to three years to learn it.
    d.) He didn't have Jiraiya/Ebisu to help him, Ebisu didn't know Kono learned it. However during Naruto's training with Jiraiya, he was required to do the vast majority alone.
    e.) This technique is as hard to land as oodama Rasengan, but it is much weaker.
    f.) Konohamaru looks like he's a good/great Ninja (future Hokage, and I bet Naruto's apprentice later on), but he's not Naruto in my book. Naruto may be dumb about some things, but when it comes to learning/teaching(apparently) jutsu, he's legendary. Konohamaru's got a lot of potential, but he needs time.
    g.) That weak Rasengan didn't kill the Pein body, and that's Kono's best jutsu, so I guess we get to see Ebisu? Or the Pein body will leave since he doesn't know, and another body does.

    2.)
    Pein: I think it's an assumption that Nagato's nearby. It was based off of the way Ino's clan technique works. Differences are that Pein uses dead bodies with chakra receivers, which may overcome that requirement.

    b.) How the hell does the most powerful eye technique miss a shadow clone, and start sucking it's soul out? If Pein isn't using the Rinnegan to control the dead bodies but the chakra receivers, does the Rinnegan still have that shared vision, or was that the real Pein watching the whole time? I'm trying to figure out what the Rinnegan does exactly.

    3.)
    Shizune: If she dies, who does all the Hokage work? Does Pein even know what the toad mountain name means? It's said to be impossible to find, and requires a month's travel by foot. I don't see how Pein is going to find him, Naruto will return a sage to a ruined Konoha, and fight Pein later.

    4.)
    Naruto: Those saying he doesn't have any techniques that are special besides shadow clones and Rasengan are wrong. FR was forbidden, but as a sage he can pull it off. It was also incomplete, so we have yet to see it. He has some devastating jutsu that slices through trees far away. He now knows how to use shadow clones besides making them just run in blindly to their death (ex. Kakuzu fight). He will have sage mode down without fusion. I have no idea how much stronger that makes him, other than from what I saw from Jiraiya, he should be incredible. With sage mode he's learned toad taijutsu completely and sage techniques (not fully down according to Pa toad). Now that Naruto is at the point of making new techniques (tree slicer), he's going to make more signature moves. Finally, don't forget his summoning ability with the toads of course.

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    Kakashi: We won't know whatsoever about his status until Pein is gone and they're going over the damage to Konoha and the injured/dead. As mentioned this is classic suspense writing. We wouldn't still be talking about Kakashi like this if he was dead. Jiraiya died, and people still refused to believe he's dead.

    *If you made it this far, you're a stud. Sorry it's so long
     
         
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    pain will make a sueside if he goes on that mountain(if he finds it).he will be instantly killed be the frogs.he is strong as hell but not imortal.and he has lost couple of bodies and will have to replace them with others.it will take time...plus that 30 days walking shit.he also does not know where the mountain is and will have to spend some time searching it.so naruto has more time then he needs to finish the sage training.....and when he finishis it....pain-get ready!!!!
     
         

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    First of all, kudos to kishi for another awsome chapter, and ending to the Hidan/Kakuzu ark. I thought it was pretty cool that Konahomaru learned rasengan from naruto, but it kind of got me that he was able to hit that path of pein but all of the other ninjas that were in his grips weren't(considering they are all much stronger than konahomaru). And to all of you retarts who think that Naruto can take on Pein, even in sage mode, you are sadly mistaken. As you can see, Pein is off the hook strong. The Anbus couldn't even see him moving, and I know for a fact he hasn't even shown half of his power. And about the whole God thing, and who is it that is controlling them, it's Nagato. And when Yahiko Pein talks about God to Tsunade, he is talking about Nagato. Im telling you, once they find him and know it's him controlling the bodies, they are going to have a hell of a ride, because Nagato will unleash the true power of the rinnegan, and the naruto world will be changed forever.
     
         

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    lol Konan isnt controling Pain bodys... It would be stupid

    She talks with Pain ... ( what she talks to herself O.o )

    Looks unreal to me... Konan is just Nagato girlfriend :D
    And Nagato is siting in forest xD Smoking weed
     
         

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    P.S.
    everyone's saying that they cant believe kono hiy pain with rasengan and killed him(or nearly killed him) but you forget one thing...pain understimated him and did not take him in serious.that's why kono managed that!
     
         

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    Konohamaru learned rasengan: called it
    Pein controlling the dead bodies like puppets: called it
    The real pein is nagato: I've called it a while ago, but is still pending. Common you know its him, he had the rinnegan, and knows who tsunade is, and is still hanging out with his original friends, even though one of them is dead (creepy)
    like others have said, pein will probably leave now, because he is only after naruto, but konoha will not let him leave without a fight now.
    Hey maybe guy will be coming back from his mission and find nagato standing outside the gate and fight him... lol, probably wouldnt happen but you be funny.
    Guy: who are you????
    Nagato:
    Guy and lee: (nice guy pose) we cannot allow you to leave
    Nagato: -_-

    My prediction I've had for a while now. Naruto will use his shadow clones to channel natural energy and go into sage mode
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayboogie1015 View Post
    look dude that was the real pain that grabed the girl not a fake and thats how they know where naruto is but i will tell you this once pain tell tobi then he will be able to go there in a few sec and he will fight naruto just to see where he stands with power iand i don't think that he would win right now but once he has masterd his new power then he willl
    no its obvious that all six bodies are being controlled by Nagato. and he doesnt keep reviving them because the bodies are already dead he just uses the chakra recievers to keep them going so inorder to really defeat them you have to destroy the whole body or remove the recievers. the end battle will def be between Nagato and Naruto since they are both the destined ones to either destroy or save the world.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniversalPain View Post
    very enlightening , just kidding bro, welcome to NarutoBase
     
         

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    nice chapter finally

    so my prediction for the next couple od chapters

    1) Pein isnt going to leave without a fight as many of u have pointed out, most likely maybe 2 or 3 Pein are gonna die b4 they leave.

    2) When Pein does retreat most likely he will ahve to find out that the 8 tails was released and they have to find it again, maybe starting a new sasuke and killerbee arc once again

    3) as for konan i think she is going to be a charcter that is going to befriend naruto becasue if u think about it, most likley she is going to lose to the aburame clan bu tnot get killed and since pein knows naruto's location and not konan she might still be fighting also pein will be in a hurry to leave kanoha knowing that naruto isnt there anymore. So all in all i think konan will befrien naruto

    4) naruto is going to come back to a destroyed konoha which he will be furious to know that what the hell happened and how come nobody called him back

    ................................ i will continue with the rest after on rite now i am goin to skool
    peace
     
         

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    if pein goes to the mountain its to narutos advantages hes been there longer plus the toad oil could be a effective weapon think about it if peins body can't balence the natural energy thats one body down at least. peins gonna underestemate naruto and will cost him. also konahamru taking out a body of pein proves hes underesemating the shinobi of this village even itachi didn't do that when he was in konoha. pein may leave but he gonna lose some more bodys.
     
         

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    first of all .. Kono with the Rasengan ^.^ (4th -> Jiraiya -> Naruto -> Kono) looks nice

    second, nagato controlling the bodies outside the town and guys team finding it (could be a good prediction)

    third, naruto will learn the frogmode, how ever he does it, hes going to learn it.

    fourth, pein his new bodies: 4th, Jiraiya and kakashi ^^ against naruto ( hehe that would be awsome)

    fifth, naruto finish the job with his new technique he was practising

    Cant wait till the next one
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skye Kaguya View Post
    Nice... Thanx V!
    First...

    Pein Finally knows that Naruto isnt in Konoha... (Just like i predicted) i think hes gonna pull out... maybe not right away but... he will pull out.... (just like i predicted) and maybe the next issue can be more of Naruto's Training... it will take pain a long time to get to myobokuzan... ha.... hopefully he doesnt take any more lives on his way out of konoha... lol but... yea... besides that... konohamaru's rasengan was all puny... lol and he had to hold it in two hands... and it is reaallllly gay that naruto taught him that... i mean its his fathers and jiraiya's and well his... its his signature move... now naruto is back to not having anything unique.. (kono also knows shadow clones like everyone else... RS is forbidden, and sage mode isnt working right) i think it was a bad choice by kishi... i also love how it seemed like konohamaru came up with rasengan on the spot lol... spinning, power, then stop... Hmmmm? RASENGAN... wtf... lol
    i acutally liked it
    Zs for kakshi think about it
    Y would kakshi die from chakra depletion
    kakashi has 2 die from a mortal wound or jutsu
    Naruto
    U saw th RS develpoment
    HE i s gunna complete sage mode
    PAIn is a *****
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAKumono26 View Post
    i acutally liked it
    Zs for kakshi think about it
    Y would kakshi die from chakra depletion
    kakashi has 2 die from a mortal wound or jutsu
    Naruto
    U saw th RS develpoment
    HE i s gunna complete sage mode
    PAIn is a *****
    Right on bro
     
         

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    danzou cant be controlling peins bodies cuz danzou doesnt possess the rinnegan, its gotta be nagato and i dont think he is close to the village either. he's prob at the akatsuki base in the rain village controlling them cuz after all nagato is the original rinnegan user and nobody knows the full extent of his powers yet
     
         

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    aflonely we got a nice chapter and great episode :D

    Arigato yo, Kishimoto


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    Rasengan/shadow clones

    Rasengan, the ultimate chakra shaping jutsu.
    The 4th (tremendous chakra reserves) invented the Rasengan.
    He taught it to Jiraiya (tremendous chakra reserves) and Kakashi (total chakra control and copying ability).
    All 3 of them could do it with one hand.
    Jiraiya taught it to Naruto (unlimited chakra reserves).
    Naruto then taught it to Konohamaru (based on family tree, should have tremendous chakra reserves).
    Both Naruto and Kono need a shadow clone to perform the Rasengan because they do not have as refined skills in chakra control.
    I am not sure that the size of the rasengan in the manga is indicative of anything. We may be reading into this more than we are meant to.

    Shadow Clones, the ultimate clones.
    Not just anyone can perform a "shadow clone". Kakashi even admitted that he doesn't use it often because it takes a massive amount of chakra and depending on what happens to the clone it could affect the user adversely.
    There are many types of clones, shadow clones are most powerful because they require the user to split his chakra into equal parts (I.e. 3 shadow clones means 25% chakra to the user, 25% to each clone). This is what makes them so difficult to distinguish from the original. Even with Byakugan, you can't tell which clone is the real one. So why would Rinnegan be able to tell?

    In conclusion, Konohamaru is becoming awesome like his grandpa. He is like a younger Naruto minus the 9-tails. Naruto has taken Kono under his wing since the beginning and teaching him is his responsibility and the right thing to do.
    It was, however, rather "convenient" of Kishi to throw that flashback of him learning it in there, but it will make more sense as the anime progresses.
     
         
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    Right on!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikakuu Yondaimesama View Post
    aflonely we got a nice chapter and great episode :D

    Arigato yo, Kishimoto


    my signature is a bit big hah? whoops xD
    Right on! Thanks to Kishi we got another great manga and anime.

    I agree with everyone who said that the Konoha Nin will not just let Pein's bodies get away.
    Depending on whether Konan/Nagato is the real Pein or if Pein is still in the Rain Country with a giant transmitter, Pein may need to reanimate new bodies to fight Naruto. There will probably be episodes regarding Sasuke, Madara, 8-tails, deciding between rebuilding Konoha/finding + helping Naruto, closure to Kakashi's story, all before we see Naruto vs. Pein.
     
         

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    yeah thats true...so where do u guys think pein will head next?
     
         

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    That was a goooooooooooood chapter!!!
    Konohamaru learning the rasengan was just a matter of time... even though its a A rank technique if you have extremely good chakra control or massive amounts of chakra you'll be able to do it because all it is, is molding chakra. But i don't think there will be a point in the manga where konohamaru will be stronger than Naruto because come on face it... look at everything Naruto has "NO CONTEST" but he'll definately be the leading guy for his generation even tho he's only 3 years younger than Naruto which has been mentioned in previous threads.

    Diva Pein is obviously not dead but now certain things are going to happen...

    1. the nonsense drag on of fighting in Konoha is going to stop!!! Yay
    2. The person controlling all the pein bodies is clearly that boy who had the rinnigan from the very beginning when J-man was training those 3 kids. Why? because he's the only one who is neva amongst the bodies but originally had the rinnigan, thats the only possible way it could make sense.
    3. All the 6 paths of pein are going to leave immediately because they've got what they wanted and are going to head to myobokuzan for the LONGGGGGGGG awaited battle which isn't going to happen until sometime in january and there after, because we have more prolonged talking awaiting us PLUS the pein's have to actually make their way up the mountain which is going to take time because they have no frogs to transport them there immediately...
    4. We'll find out whether kakashi is dead or not.
    5. Danzo's going to have to come out from his hiding place even tho everyone in the villiage is going to be totally unaware of what he did!!!
    6. All villiage are going to be informed of the situation and a plan is going to be made.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anchewz View Post
    That was a goooooooooooood chapter!!!
    Konohamaru learning the rasengan was just a matter of time... even though its a A rank technique if you have extremely good chakra control or massive amounts of chakra you'll be able to do it because all it is, is molding chakra. But i don't think there will be a point in the manga where konohamaru will be stronger than Naruto because come on face it... look at everything Naruto has "NO CONTEST" but he'll definately be the leading guy for his generation even tho he's only 3 years younger than Naruto which has been mentioned in previous threads.

    Diva Pein is obviously not dead but now certain things are going to happen...

    1. the nonsense drag on of fighting in Konoha is going to stop!!! Yay
    2. The person controlling all the pein bodies is clearly that boy who had the rinnigan from the very beginning when J-man was training those 3 kids. Why? because he's the only one who is neva amongst the bodies but originally had the rinnigan, thats the only possible way it could make sense.
    3. All the 6 paths of pein are going to leave immediately because they've got what they wanted and are going to head to myobokuzan for the LONGGGGGGGG awaited battle which isn't going to happen until sometime in january and there after, because we have more prolonged talking awaiting us PLUS the pein's have to actually make their way up the mountain which is going to take time because they have no frogs to transport them there immediately...
    4. We'll find out whether kakashi is dead or not.
    5. Danzo's going to have to come out from his hiding place even tho everyone in the villiage is going to be totally unaware of what he did!!!
    6. All villiage are going to be informed of the situation and a plan is going to be made.
    all true.
     
         

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    Hey and what if Pain tries to make naruto somehow?may be he will continue killing the citizens and may be tsunade so that naruto was summoned back.is there any1 else in village who has contract with toads?

    and if tsunade won't fight vs pain i think it would be lame.wtf-she is hokage so it's her duty!kakashi did it...gaara found deidara by himself and protected his village.
     
         

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    This manga was pretty good. I would like to know what happened to Kakashi...I am sure he is still alive.
     
         

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    naruto is going to come back to the village and take the sharingan of kakashi just like kakashi done with obito...THAT would be awesome!!!
     
         

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