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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    In my opinion, the man underneath the mask is still Madara. I was heavily doubting myself for some time, because I highly doubt that Kabuto could have revived this "other Madara" if he did not 100% die. However, in terms of plot, it's the only thing that seems to make sense. Madara is THE perfect ultimate villian, who is indirectly the cause of almost everything negative in the story so far.

    He helped kill the Uchiha Clan, he set the Kyuubi on the Hidden Leaf, he controlled Akatsuki (which took part in countless evil acts), he is the reason the Kyuubi ended up being sealed in Naruto (Minato wouldn't have had to seal the fox in Naruto to protect the village), and the list goes on.

    There's a difference between a well-forshadowed plot-twist and pulling something out of your ass. Sure, through some strange series of events, Obito COULD be Madara, but that would come from nowhere plot-wise. It'd be a twist, but a twist with no weight.

    On top of this, it's subtly been hinted at that Tobi and Edo Madara can still be Madara. Mainly:

    1. The constant references to Tobi being "a shell of his former self". A shell could be considered a body without a soul, or something like that. It's probably impossible to predict how until the manga gives more information, but I'm pretty sure this raises a valid point as far as the possiblity goes, as it's said by both Itachi and Tobi himself.

    2. Nagato's Rinnegan was supposed to use the Gedo Jutsu on Tobi - he says that himself. As well, this Edo Madara thought he was summoned with the Gedo Jutsu. The two are related in this aspect. Madara's soul could be something he was trying to restore to become his fully-powered self again. Madara didn't have to be afraid of the coffin Kabuto summoned only for the reason, "Now people won't believe I'm Madara anymore." It could also be, "Damn it, now Kabuto has possession over my soul/body/whatever thing I needed, and it is 100% in his control, so my plans might not follow through as I'd hoped if he pulls some trick. Zetsu might play a role in Madara still being able to live as a "shell" (Zetsu makes me think shell for some reason), but yeah.

    I'm thinking Madara just had a REALLY elaborate plan to pull things off that lead to this outcome, and he's not just some random ninja.

    I'm still not sure that this is correct, obviously, because of the many times when Kabuto/Zetsu hinted that Tobi wasn't Madara, but I can't think of/haven't read of any other characters that could be Tobi that would make sense. At least based off of what is possible through canon facts that we know, and that would make sense in the context of a good plot. Because lets by serious, if by pulling a couple hundred strings, the main villian of the series ends up being Obito (a ninja we've seen once), that one guy from the 2nd Hokage's team, or some other random ninja we don't know much about or some new character, it'd be a bad plot twist, because it'd just scream "why". Why make the main villian, who is so suitably Madara, some random ninja we barely know anything about. That's just a bad plot twist. At least imo.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    How did Orochimaru get his body in the first place
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    I've noticed a lot of ppl commenting about how it's weird or odd that in the last chapter we only see Madara's left eye, as if it's the key to everything. But anytime we've ever seen Madara (flashbacks) it's always been that eye that we see. I don't know where I stand with all the predictions I've read on here. Anything's possible at this point, and maybe only seeing that eye is significant. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by narutolove View Post
    I've noticed a lot of ppl commenting about how it's weird or odd that in the last chapter we only see Madara's left eye, as if it's the key to everything. But anytime we've ever seen Madara (flashbacks) it's always been that eye that we see. I don't know where I stand with all the predictions I've read on here. Anything's possible at this point, and maybe only seeing that eye is significant. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
    Yeah, anything could be possible.
    But let's see how Tobi and the Former Jinchuriikis with Sharingan and Sharingan eyes clash with the already tired Shinobi Alliance.
    If it's possible, i wanna see some supporting characters die.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    Heres MY complete split theorum

    A shortened version of the theory i lost after writing it for an hour was that Madara is both of them...

    Tobi is madara's memories in Obito's body, he would lose his own techniques as his original body was probably dying (old age?) but he would have Obito's technique Space Time Jutsu and the implanted DNA sample, from Madaras fight with Hashirama at the VotE, this would give him the ability to use Izanagi freely and ultimately Banbutsu Sozo, once he had his rinnegan and his plan was complete.

    He made a plan long ago to unite his soon to be dead body ie edo tensei'd madara and EMS, with his new Tobi body, so that he could use EMS, Izanagi, Space Time Jutsu, Banbutsu Sozo and control the Jubi once it had been gathered. Essentially the sage of the six paths reborn plus his own EMS.

    However he was meant to be reborn with gedo rinne tensei ,but Nagato uses it on the people of Konoha instead, thats why he talks about Nagato as it was part of his plan, Tobi adapted when the snake shows up, it fits in as he can revive his old body that way ie impure world resurrection. Sasuke was a sacrifice he was willing to make to gain ultimate power.

    Madara mind is inside of Obito's body
    Obito's body is Tobi, thus all the similarities.
    Madara is Tobi.

    Tobi was created by madara on his deathbed to gain the abilities of both paths, look at this:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/12.

    Once he had gained both sharingan and rinnegan into a single body he would be able to use izanagi which can turn reality into an illusion and illusions into reality. But he no longer has his EMS powers, which is why Nagato was given the rinnegan, to resurrect Madara and combine EMS with Izanagi.

    This is where it gets interesting if you read http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/467/14,
    you see that madara wants to use his EMS genjutsu, that itachi talks about when vsing sasuke. His genjutsu is infinite tsukiyomi, if you know what tsukiyomi does you know that you control space and time, this means you are a god in this genjutsu controlling everything in this realm, by reflecting it off of the moon he would be casting a genjutsu upon every one in the ninja world. Once combined with Tobi and Izanagi his infinite tsukiyomi could be taken to the next level.... it would not only be a genjutsu in the mind of the person, if he used izanagi with infinite tsukiyomi it would turn the illusion of Madara/Tobi being a god into reality. He would have total control of the entire world.

    Madara is Tobi and his plan to rule the world has been accumulating since the time when Konohagakure was being created.

    I also had a thought that tobi may in actual fact have known that Kabuto could use edo tensdei, he may have known because zetsu is a master spy, who knows what he tells tobi and therefore had edo tensei as his backup.

    If he did know that Kabuto could potentially resurrect the body of madara, but that it would be under Kabutos control would give him reason to find a way to gain control of it... Thus tobis fascination with Shisuis infamous Kotoamatsukami.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    yes dead,dead,dead,dead, i am orochimaru the inmortal oly a stupid want to be hokage..kukuku
     
         

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    orochi got dropped one hit lol!
     
         

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    To be honest i have watched videos and read alot about the theory that tobi IS obito. i had stumbled over something that had said Madara is tobi but just using obito's body that had been recovered when the boulder had crushed him which is why half of tobi's body is metal plated. After reading this chapter in the manga i strongly belive that tobi IS obito or Madara/Tobi is just using the appearance of obito. I can't wait to see the look on kakashi's face if this is actually true. Cant wait to read more! Suspense is killing me!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by playedlive View Post
    To be honest i have watched videos and read alot about the theory that tobi IS obito. i had stumbled over something that had said Madara is tobi but just using obito's body that had been recovered when the boulder had crushed him which is why half of tobi's body is metal plated. After reading this chapter in the manga i strongly belive that tobi IS obito or Madara/Tobi is just using the appearance of obito. I can't wait to see the look on kakashi's face if this is actually true. Cant wait to read more! Suspense is killing me!
    I'm pretty sure you have got something there. If u compare Obito's half under the rock and what we have seen of Tobi's face u can see that the similarities are big. They also has the same haircut. The name Tobi altso hints at Obito! Tobi's sharingan also is very similar to Kakashi's. If u look at the page where Obito is under the rock u can se a bruise stretching over his face wich can explain the wrinkles that everyone is so upset about.

    And if someone is using Obito's apperance it explains why Tobi did not know why the fourth was so fast.

    I'm pretty sure Tobi is Obito at least in some way!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    My Friends my long prediction came true For three years I believed that Madara is not Tobi. I just knew it.
    Now My friends kagami is in my opinion makes sense to be the guy.
    He lived when madara lived ( same age as danzo)
    Could easily hold grudge against leaf
    Was missing during attack of fox on leaf
    In my opinion it is number 1 theory right now and makes the most sense
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    Heres MY complete split theorum

    A shortened version of the theory i lost after writing it for an hour was that Madara is both of them...

    Tobi is madara's memories in Obito's body, he would lose his own techniques as his original body was probably dying (old age?) but he would have Obito's technique Space Time Jutsu and the implanted DNA sample, from Madaras fight with Hashirama at the VotE, this would give him the ability to use Izanagi freely and ultimately Banbutsu Sozo, once he had his rinnegan and his plan was complete.

    He made a plan long ago to unite his soon to be dead body ie edo tensei'd madara and EMS, with his new Tobi body, so that he could use EMS, Izanagi, Space Time Jutsu, Banbutsu Sozo and control the Jubi once it had been gathered. Essentially the sage of the six paths reborn plus his own EMS.

    However he was meant to be reborn with gedo rinne tensei ,but Nagato uses it on the people of Konoha instead, thats why he talks about Nagato as it was part of his plan, Tobi adapted when the snake shows up, it fits in as he can revive his old body that way ie impure world resurrection. Sasuke was a sacrifice he was willing to make to gain ultimate power.

    Madara mind is inside of Obito's body
    Obito's body is Tobi, thus all the similarities.
    Madara is Tobi.

    Tobi was created by madara on his deathbed to gain the abilities of both paths, look at this:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/12.

    Once he had gained both sharingan and rinnegan into a single body he would be able to use izanagi which can turn reality into an illusion and illusions into reality. But he no longer has his EMS powers, which is why Nagato was given the rinnegan, to resurrect Madara and combine EMS with Izanagi.

    This is where it gets interesting if you read http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/467/14,
    you see that madara wants to use his EMS genjutsu, that itachi talks about when vsing sasuke. His genjutsu is infinite tsukiyomi, if you know what tsukiyomi does you know that you control space and time, this means you are a god in this genjutsu controlling everything in this realm, by reflecting it off of the moon he would be casting a genjutsu upon every one in the ninja world. Once combined with Tobi and Izanagi his infinite tsukiyomi could be taken to the next level.... it would not only be a genjutsu in the mind of the person, if he used izanagi with infinite tsukiyomi it would turn the illusion of Madara/Tobi being a god into reality. He would have total control of the entire world.

    Madara is Tobi and his plan to rule the world has been accumulating since the time when Konohagakure was being created.

    I also had a thought that tobi may in actual fact have known that Kabuto could use edo tensdei, he may have known because zetsu is a master spy, who knows what he tells tobi and therefore had edo tensei as his backup.

    If he did know that Kabuto could potentially resurrect the body of madara, but that it would be under Kabutos control would give him reason to find a way to gain control of it... Thus tobis fascination with Shisuis infamous Kotoamatsukami.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    My prediction is both Madaras will fuse to create super android 17
     
         

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    you are all moron... the man behind the mask is the fourth hokage

    to make naruto strong.. THE END PERIOD.

    MORON
     
         

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    tobi has something to do with obito definitely, i'm not saying that tobi is obito but there has to be something between the two of them.
    this link shows tobi addressing kakashi as brother http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/487/4..
    why would someone of madara's stature call kakashi his brother, he could have just let kakashi use kamui and die but he did not want that.. even if tobi's is not related with obito why did he call kakashi SAN(brother)
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    the naruto manga is going on but there's one thing some parts of the tale still resemble to other action adventure stories. my point is that there has been a concept of splitting souls too, maybe madara split his soul, one part is in tobi the other is in edo madara.
    but again a doubt comes up:- why did kabuto tell tobi -http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/489/17
    so you are going by madara these days. that means that guy tobi had faked many other characters before. tobi replied you sure do know a lot that means kabuto was right.

    tobi is definitely a mystery but he surely is some well known prominent character mentioned in the series.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    as soon as i saw this chapter i knew that the Obito posts will resurrect as well!!! guess many members here were just waiting to edo tensei this theory again... but who ever thinks this version that Tobi is Obito, can you answer the following questions:
    1. when Tobi attacked Konoha, Kakashi was still young (about the same age when Obito died). Ho w do you explain his grown state?
    2. Obito, though he could be a sulkers sometimes truly cared about his team mates, his sensei and the village? why would he turn into this super villain known as Madara?
    3. Can you please explain which similarities you are talking about in terms of facila features as Tobi has not really exposed his full face??? if you talk about similarities in faces i can say the same thing with Shizuned and Ten Ten, that doesnt mean they are the same people... even Temari and to a large extent Naruto have similar facial features!!!
    4. where in the manga or anime did it say that Obito knew the space ninjitsu as people are alluding to???

    am not against the fact that there could be a connection between Obito and Tobi but all i want to know is on what provable basis???
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    as soon as i saw this chapter i knew that the Obito posts will resurrect as well!!! guess many members here were just waiting to edo tensei this theory again... but who ever thinks this version that Tobi is Obito, can you answer the following questions:
    1. when Tobi attacked Konoha, Kakashi was still young (about the same age when Obito died). Ho w do you explain his grown state?
    2. Obito, though he could be a sulkers sometimes truly cared about his team mates, his sensei and the village? why would he turn into this super villain known as Madara?
    3. Can you please explain which similarities you are talking about in terms of facila features as Tobi has not really exposed his full face??? if you talk about similarities in faces i can say the same thing with Shizuned and Ten Ten, that doesnt mean they are the same people... even Temari and to a large extent Naruto have similar facial features!!!
    4. where in the manga or anime did it say that Obito knew the space ninjitsu as people are alluding to???

    am not against the fact that there could be a connection between Obito and Tobi but all i want to know is on what provable basis???
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    Kakashi has Obitos eye which has a space time technique ie Kamui
    Tobi has a similar space time technique .
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    Heres MY complete split theorum

    A shortened version of the theory i lost after writing it for an hour was that Madara is both of them...

    Tobi is madara's memories in Obito's body, he would lose his own techniques as his original body was probably dying (old age?) but he would have Obito's technique Space Time Jutsu and the implanted DNA sample, from Madaras fight with Hashirama at the VotE, this would give him the ability to use Izanagi freely and ultimately Banbutsu Sozo, once he had his rinnegan and his plan was complete.

    He made a plan long ago to unite his soon to be dead body ie edo tensei'd madara and EMS, with his new Tobi body, so that he could use EMS, Izanagi, Space Time Jutsu, Banbutsu Sozo and control the Jubi once it had been gathered. Essentially the sage of the six paths reborn plus his own EMS.

    However he was meant to be reborn with gedo rinne tensei ,but Nagato uses it on the people of Konoha instead, thats why he talks about Nagato as it was part of his plan, Tobi adapted when the snake shows up, it fits in as he can revive his old body that way ie impure world resurrection. Sasuke was a sacrifice he was willing to make to gain ultimate power.

    Madara mind is inside of Obito's body
    Obito's body is Tobi, thus all the similarities.
    Madara is Tobi.

    Tobi was created by madara on his deathbed to gain the abilities of both paths, look at this:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/12.

    Once he had gained both sharingan and rinnegan into a single body he would be able to use izanagi which can turn reality into an illusion and illusions into reality. But he no longer has his EMS powers, which is why Nagato was given the rinnegan, to resurrect Madara and combine EMS with Izanagi.

    This is where it gets interesting if you read http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/467/14,
    you see that madara wants to use his EMS genjutsu, that itachi talks about when vsing sasuke. His genjutsu is infinite tsukiyomi, if you know what tsukiyomi does you know that you control space and time, this means you are a god in this genjutsu controlling everything in this realm, by reflecting it off of the moon he would be casting a genjutsu upon every one in the ninja world. Once combined with Tobi and Izanagi his infinite tsukiyomi could be taken to the next level.... it would not only be a genjutsu in the mind of the person, if he used izanagi with infinite tsukiyomi it would turn the illusion of Madara/Tobi being a god into reality. He would have total control of the entire world.

    Madara is Tobi and his plan to rule the world has been accumulating since the time when Konohagakure was being created.

    I also had a thought that tobi may in actual fact have known that Kabuto could use edo tensdei, he may have known because zetsu is a master spy, who knows what he tells tobi and therefore had edo tensei as his backup.

    If he did know that Kabuto could potentially resurrect the body of madara, but that it would be under Kabutos control would give him reason to find a way to gain control of it... Thus tobis fascination with Shisuis infamous Kotoamatsukami.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

    Wait, so there is now 2 Uchiha Madara's?

    Or is one of them another person?

    Can someone please explain to me what is happening?
     
         

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