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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by MyWorldOfTsukuyomi View Post
    For tsukuyomi, nagato has to look him in the eyes and he was a member of akatsuki, i´m sure most members knew about tsukuyomi where nagato was the leader.
    A few hits is enough to shatter susanoo or he could absorb it since it´s chakra right?
    Why susano cant attack what about itachi fighting style im sure nagato will make shinra tensei but he will hit only corbies of itachi
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    ..and since there's Totsuka no Tsurugi Nagato couldn't even get close to Itachi. Kakashi survived three Shinra Tensei's, even Katsuyu was able to protect the villagers from the big version. So Shinra Tensei is no real threat for Itachi's Susanoo, which even possesses Yata no Kagami.

    Tsukuyomi definitely works on Nagato - it's still the most powerfull Genjutsu. A Sharingan has the ability to see through Genjutsu - that's why a Mangekyou Sharingan is necessary to break Tsukuyomi. Sasuke used his Juin to strengthen that ability ten times - yes, the Juin strengthens its user's power ten times, and we saw that Sasuke concentrated all that power into his Sharingan. It wasn't even a real Tsukuyomi - if Itachi would've tortured him from the start, he most likely wouldn't have been able to break free. Danzo possessed a Sharingan too, for which reason he could break free from Sasuke's Tsukuyomi, which is - according to Danzo & Tobi - nothing but a far cry from Itachi's masterful Genjutsu. If Nagato avoids eye contact the battle will be even harder for him. But to cast a 'normal', paralyzing Genjutsu (one of the kind that even defeated Orochimaru) eye contact is not even necessary, that's fact, that's what Kishi wrote in the Scrolls of Sha. And as Tobi said, the trick lies on how to use even a small, weak Genjutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Use the search button.

    Anyway if its nagato vs itachi ill say itachi, simply because nagato hardly has any battle experience fighting as nagato and because of this hasnt really experienced the pressure of being in a life and death situation.

    Also because of this he hasnt trained his mind and body.

    If its 6 paths vs itachi, ill lean more to the 6 paths. Only thing im not sure of is that tsukuyomi takes effect though your eyes and we know that all 6 paths share vision, therefore its fair to say that all of them might be caught in tsukuyomi and if this happens they would then be vulnerable to the totsuka sword straight after tsukuyomi has ended
    you know nothing dude.. before nagato use his 6 paths of pain he had years of exp using his own body to fight. he had lots of years exp fighting together with yahiko when he is alive.

    oh and btw your 2nd paragraph is ridiculous..lol
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    ..and since there's Totsuka no Tsurugi Nagato couldn't even get close to Itachi. Kakashi survived three Shinra Tensei's, even Katsuyu was able to protect the villagers from the big version. So Shinra Tensei is no real threat for Itachi's Susanoo, which even possesses Yata no Kagami.

    Tsukuyomi definitely works on Nagato - it's still the most powerfull Genjutsu. A Sharingan has the ability to see through Genjutsu - that's why a Mangekyou Sharingan is necessary to break Tsukuyomi. Sasuke used his Juin to strengthen that ability ten times - yes, the Juin strengthens its user's power ten times, and we saw that Sasuke concentrated all that power into his Sharingan. It wasn't even a real Tsukuyomi - if Itachi would've tortured him from the start, he most likely wouldn't have been able to break free. Danzo possessed a Sharingan too, for which reason he could break free from Sasuke's Tsukuyomi, which is - according to Danzo & Tobi - nothing but a far cry from Itachi's masterful Genjutsu. If Nagato avoids eye contact the battle will be even harder for him. But to cast a 'normal', paralyzing Genjutsu (one of the kind that even defeated Orochimaru) eye contact is not even necessary, that's fact, that's what Kishi wrote in the Scrolls of Sha. And as Tobi said, the trick lies on how to use even a small, weak Genjutsu.
    1. nagato don't need to get close to itachi
    2. kakashi died out of chakra exhaustion as a result
    3. katsuyu is a special summon from a KAGE/SANNIN, katsuyu can heal who ever it touches via the chakra of the most skilled medical nin of all. comparing it to susanoo is BS.
    4. nagato can spam shinra tensei, but itachi cannot use susanoo that long
    5. itachi even inside susanoo cannot block GRAVITATIONAL PULL/PUSH.


    answer this with logic..can you block gravity with a shield? lol
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by khaydz5 View Post
    you know nothing dude.. before nagato use his 6 paths of pain he had years of exp using his own body to fight. he had lots of years exp fighting together with yahiko when he is alive.

    oh and btw your 2nd paragraph is ridiculous..lol
    Nagato when he was wounded/crippled by hanzo looked 16/17. He doesnt have enough experience fighting as nagato and that is vital when fighting somebody like itachi in a 1 vs 1 situation.

    Also my second paragraph seems logical. Unless you explain otherwise
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkPein12 View Post
    Idiot itachi when he use susano he is untouchable
    That doesnt meant ST couldnt sent Itachi flying along with Susanoo.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Nagato when he was wounded/crippled by hanzo looked 16/17. He doesnt have enough experience fighting as nagato and that is vital when fighting somebody like itachi in a 1 vs 1 situation.

    Also my second paragraph seems logical. Unless you explain otherwise

    when he awaken rinnegan and received training from jiraiya he was about 8 or 10 I think.. roughly its 6yrs of exp fighting with his own body..

    but I guess even if nagato is not crippled he'd choose not to fight with his own body to eliminate the risk of getting hurt or even badly injured in a fight. Its much more convinient for him to use dead bodies..

    for your second paragraph I'm to lazy to explain it again just read the other thread you can browse to the itachi vs pain thread with the almost 200pages of repeated explanation of diff people who understands nagato himself cannot be affected by genjutsu via his paths.

    use search button..this goes to the thread starter also..
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    There has been a question in my mind , the six paths are shown to be different seperate souls & can be distributed on many bodies , Well couldn't Nagato just let one of the six paths in his body disturb his chakra to break Tsukyomi ?

    Just a theory
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Uzumaki View Post
    There has been a question in my mind , the six paths are shown to be different seperate souls & can be distributed on many bodies , Well couldn't Nagato just let one of the six paths in his body disturb his chakra to break Tsukyomi ?

    Just a theory
    they are not a separate source of chakra like bee and hachibi he is only using his own chakra and if he gets in genjutsu his own chakra is affected its not like hachibi which is a separate entity or creature that is breaking him out of tsukiyomi. But if he has good genjutsu prowess and can break out of them well yes he can break out of it but he has not shown that and his paths have been caught by genjutsu so it seems that genjutsu should not be something he is completely resistant to.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by Turson View Post
    That doesnt meant ST couldnt sent Itachi flying along with Susanoo.
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkPein12 View Post
    All you guys think nagato is the strongest but im keep saying they was drinking a coffe when he attacked them ok ? you think nagato is strong cuz he made a strong jutsu if itachi would make tsukuyomi first this will change your opinions?
    (not good in english)
    naruto's clones were able to resist it, the tech is not that strong and for him to use a big one it uses more chakra and time making him vulnerable to attacks like sword of totsuka.

    @dark pein Dude there have been many threads about it no need to start one again but Imo itachi wins one has tsukiyomi faster than nagato's attacks and 2 has sword of totsuka allowing him to seal nagato and is also faster than attacks like CT. he also has the advantage in blocking techs like shinra tensei with sussano and yata mirror. nagato also has low mobility making him vulnerable to attacks such as sword of totsuka. His chances are better than nagato IMO
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Hey i have a question when pain when against kakashi what was that scene when all you saw was pain eyes around a black background that made kakshi sharigan act up and miss him?
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    itachi!!!!!!!![color="darkred"][/color]
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Maybe i have missed one or two replies.

    But Does anybody has tough about nagato just summoning 5 or 6 summons then close his eyes and fight itachi? In that way Nagato isnt looking at his eyes but with his shared vision from the summons he is looking at itachi?(That wouldnt make genjutsu a problem)

    So if i am wrong in anything, anybody can point me in what i am wrong.

    And for any fanboy problem BS. Im Kakashi, Itachi, Kimimaro Fanboy but i have an open mind.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    naruto's clones were able to resist it, the tech is not that strong
    Nagato was already in really bad shape back then.
    Earlier, Deva sent flying three enormous frogs like some pieces of trash. -> http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/434/9
    Including Gamabunta, who was able to hold down Kyuubi. You are greatly understaminating Shinra Tensei.
     
         
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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    nagato(with sixpath) vs itachi winner=nagato
    nagato(alone) vs itachi winner=itachi
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by Turson View Post
    That doesnt meant ST couldnt sent Itachi flying along with Susanoo.
    he can beat him even without susano
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    nagato(with sixpath) vs itachi winner=nagato
    nagato(alone) vs itachi winner=itachi
    why are clones for :shrug:
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by khaydz5 View Post
    1. nagato don't need to get close to itachi
    2. kakashi died out of chakra exhaustion as a result
    3. katsuyu is a special summon from a KAGE/SANNIN, katsuyu can heal who ever it touches via the chakra of the most skilled medical nin of all. comparing it to susanoo is BS.
    4. nagato can spam shinra tensei, but itachi cannot use susanoo that long
    5. itachi even inside susanoo cannot block GRAVITATIONAL PULL/PUSH.


    answer this with logic..can you block gravity with a shield? lol
    You sir are smart (unlike this stupid itachi fanboys...)
     
         

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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by khaydz5 View Post
    1. nagato don't need to get close to itachi
    2. kakashi died out of chakra exhaustion as a result
    3. katsuyu is a special summon from a KAGE/SANNIN, katsuyu can heal who ever it touches via the chakra of the most skilled medical nin of all. comparing it to susanoo is BS.
    4. nagato can spam shinra tensei, but itachi cannot use susanoo that long
    5. itachi even inside susanoo cannot block GRAVITATIONAL PULL/PUSH.


    answer this with logic..can you block gravity with a shield? lol
    1. Yes, since Susanoo is huge close contact isn't even necessary to seal him with Totsuka. Moreover Itachi can get close no Nagato.

    2. Not as a result. He simply died of Chakra exhaustion. Naruto didn't took heavy injuries from it either. The one that blew away the frogs was a stronger one.

    3. It wasn't about healing. Just beeing inside of Katsuyu protected the most villagers from receiving heavy injuries. Shinra Tensei isn't that strong.

    4. Itachi used it for ten minutes after he already used Amaterasu four times and extinguished it once. Not to talk about the Tsukuyomi that got broken. Furthermore Nagato definitely can't spam it, there's the fatal interval that at least lasts for five seconds. The more power he puts into it, the longer the interval becomes.

    5. Obviously I can, since six tailed Naruto didn't just block Shinra Tensei but threw it back at Pain. To concentrate chakra in her feet was even enough for Tsunade to withstand a smaller one. So yes, with Yata no Kagami, which is said to block every attack Itachi definitely could block Shinra Tensei without much effort.

    Now it's your turn; what intends Nagato to do against Itachis Genjutsu? Or are you one of those ho doubt that Genjutsu works on Nagato? :'D How will he block Yasaka no Magatama, which is a spirit weapon, too? What will he do if Amaterasu hit's his eyes during the interval? Or what whill he do if he kills one of Itachi's Karasu Bunshin with Shinra Tensei & gets hit by the Shuriken the crows can transform into?
     
         
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    Re: Itachi vs Nagato

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkPein12 View Post
    he can beat him even without susano
    Thats your opinion. I see Nagato as significantly stronger than Itachi, even though Itachi is my favorite character from manga. Actually, Itachi is able to defeat Nagato in 1 on 1 combat, but I dont see him standing a chance against six paths of Pain. He would be able to destroy around 4 paths, but thats max for him IMO.
     
         

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