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    Re: Underage Drinking

    ofcourse not
     
         

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    Re: Underage Drinking

    i think underage drinking is wrong in every sense of the word, alcoholic and drugs only complicates things at that stage of life, i think its best to consume it when your at a mature state of mind.
     
         

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    Re: Underage Drinking

    Quote Originally Posted by uzumakikenshin View Post
    actually if i remember it right... genes can boost a person's level of alcoholism.. but for me... aside from our own thinking... social factors really contribute a lot... for example if i was raise in a family where alcohol is not a big deal then it will lead me to be expose to such early age drinking not just for social occasions... and it will be strengthen by what we call peer pressure.. but definitely at the end of the day...we are still the one to decide whether to be dependent on it or not... but... it's not that EASY to resist.. based on my experience, if i may say
    You'r exactly right, and that's based on my experience too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xentinel View Post
    ofcourse not
    meaning it isn't right?..explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by ackeem1992 View Post
    i think underage drinking is wrong in every sense of the word, alcoholic and drugs only complicates things at that stage of life, i think its best to consume it when your at a mature state of mind.
    Well you're right but alcohol does bring lots of funny stuff and experiences into your life. Not only negative.

    I think it's funny and interesting how cultural differences can affect ones personal opinions so much. I don't say now that necessarily this is the case here but for example I know that Ackeem is from Jamaica, and if I'm correct there's no drinking culture with youngsters going on. As generally people can have fun without alcohol am I right?..

    That's not usually the case in Finland where people tend to drink just to get into the mood or be comfortable in social situations. So I know very few finnish teens wouldn't say underage drinking is bad. 'Cause it's in the culture.
     
         

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    Re: Underage Drinking

    Quote Originally Posted by pein87 View Post
    In all honesty no one has the right to tell the other what they can and can't do. Its only wrong because the society that you choose to be part of and decided to follow its rules deem it as such. Drinking to much can cause serious damage to developing children as much as it can to adults. You have to be informed first of the pros and cons. If your willing to out weight the cons to the pros then drink. Personally I don't drink because its likely you'll drink in excess and end up in all sorts of trouble. Some people can drink on occasion and handle themselves, but if your mentally unstable during the drinking it acts like a comforting device that can then lead to addiction. You then think that you need to have this in your life and end up wasting your time and money on it. Similarly to drugs you could in a sense have a time lapse where you drink for so long that when you finally stop you realize 5 or 10 or more years have passed and you can't remember what happened during that time. I know of someone(my grandfather) who has been drinking everyday for years and has to this effect literally missed out on all his grand kids and his own dads death. It wasn't until he had to go to prison for shooting someone(while drunk) that he realized he had lost nearly 30 years of his life, which to this day he can't remember what he had done during that period. I'm not advocating that its wrong, I'm advocating that you need to know the pros and cons and determine that your willing to accept any and all byproducts of your decision. You also need to know how it effects others around you. Like my grand father(who I've only ever seen 5 or 6 times in my life, I'm 24) you could lose your family, friends, home, and job as a possible side effect. Drinking in moderation is key if you decide to drink at all. I forget his name but I think it was Aristotle who said "take everything with moderation". Drink for its beneficial medical effects but for no more then that. Else your true feelings come out uninhibited by your rationality. Being drunk normally leads to problems and no one likes to be around drunks except other drunks. Keep this in mind if you decide to drink do so after being informed. I know peer pressure is a ***** but if your friends were really friends they wouldn't pressure you to do something you don't want to.
    This is a very good post and I see you are an intelligent guy.

    All that's sad and true, BUT you are painting too gruesome picture on the wall about drinking. This wasn't about hardcore alcoholism. But just underage drinking in general. I myself have drunk since the age of 15 and that's all because of fun and going to party. And I remember practically all of it.

    So when on the other hand you are talking sense but really you are just scaring people. 'Cause those examples are the extreme ones.
     
         
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    Re: Underage Drinking

    Quote Originally Posted by pein87 View Post
    You have to know the farthest spectrum of both the positive and the negative to be able to accurately make an informed decision. I said that I don't advocate against it but that you should know the best and worse case scenario. Majority of the people who drink become alcoholics and suffer from some end of the negative spectrum. My grand father's case is an extreme and its like 10% - 5% of the negative. Getting smashed one night or white boy wasted,as we call it in the hood, can lead to one forgetting what happened that night. Thats why there are so many cases where people get drunk and do stupid things and have no recollection of it the next day. Examples include sleeping with people, and criminal acts. You could just pass out and wake up with doodles on your face like my aunt did when she got smashed. That is why I preached about drinking in moderation. In some sense your body becomes unable to record memory correctly and is unable to tell the blur from reality. I've suffered myself from alcohol poisoning and nearly died from it. Its is so much more then just missing life there are higher rates of death due to alcohol consumption and higher rates of violence as well. Once I quit I wondered why I ever started, you could perform a self induced placebo effect and not suffer any bodily harm. Even causally drinking strong liquor will damage your kidneys, and liver eventually. As an elder here I want to make sure the future generation here is aware that drinking is ok but in moderation. If can effect those who are barely undergoing puberty and cause hormonal disturbances. Its my job as a first generation NB member to teach the current generation, as it the same in real life as well. I don't see any good in drinking besides the medical. Majority of the things you do drunk are half assed and not near your performance without drinking. Aside from its medical benefits(hops based beers and grape wines) it has no actual bright side. Its more or less an excuse to do dumb things or to party. You can have just as much fun a time or better without it. However I nor does anyone else have the power to tell you not to do it. The only power I have is to help give you the details which will allow you to decide for your self.
    Bolded part: not in a million years that's true. Where do you base that?

    Dude, you really seem to have very bad experiences with alcohol. I never have had alcohol poisoning and I usually get really wasted on weekends, like 12-13 beers + drinks. You really are putting "getting wasted on weekends" at a bad light.

    Some of your examples are positive and funny though although you may not think so, sleeping with people and waking up with doodles on your face. lol, what's wrong with that?

    But seriously, I don't know exactly in which kind of enviroment you have grown up, put dont generalise drinking to that shit. It's not so bad as you make it seem. It's natural part of any fun loving youngsters life.
     
         

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    Re: Underage Drinking

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly X View Post
    This is a thread about underage drinking and if it is ok. It encompasses more than that though. All the issues, no bringing drugs into it though. That's a whole separate issue. Though I am 99.99 percent sure this has been made before, I am also 99.99 percent sure it hasn't been made in the last month. Asking this cause I just got served a drink by my mom [I am 17]. But I am by no means an alcoholic or a drug addict. But some people I know are, and they started to drink earlier than me. I am also not condoning underage drinking.drug use. What are your thoughts, opinions, reasonings?


    for starters how are you going to try to make a thread based on substance abuse and not have drugs in it it is an issue that ingrains just as deeply as alchoholism why because alchohol is legal
    drugs are legal you cant get them from the doctor or your medicine cabinet doctors are some of the worst drug dealers in the world i can go through anyones medicine cabinet and find something that will eff you up

    so you cant light a fire and say that it cant be hot
    on the topic of underage drinking it happens and would happen with or without alchohol even being legal in society
    the amount of pressure that north americans put on abstinence and substance abuse awareness is just a bunch of scare stactics by making it taboo you make it more attractive like i never would have smoked a ciggerette if somebody didnt tell me it were going to make me explode and it builds up from that. its like in chicago where handguns are illegal do you think people cant get them? using things to make you feel differently is almost primal and is prevalent in not just our species but in others as well monkies will go and eat fermented grain in the fields to get drunk and tigers roll around in catnip in the jungle drugs have been used in ceremonies since e first ate a mushroom and looked up at the sky and thought maybe a man lives up there not to mention opium that has been around for centuries the turks used to eat poppy pods in their salad for dinner and hashish is part of many religious practices. my main point is as humans we try to detach ourselves so much from what we call savage that we make it worse. you can see it in all aspects of our life most prevalent in military technology. instead of killing ten with a wooden club we now kill a million with the push of a button now tell me is that real progress?
     
         

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    Re: Underage Drinking

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawker View Post
    Well you're right but alcohol does bring lots of funny stuff and experiences into your life. Not only negative.

    I think it's funny and interesting how cultural differences can affect ones personal opinions so much. I don't say now that necessarily this is the case here but for example I know that Ackeem is from Jamaica, and if I'm correct there's no drinking culture with youngsters going on. As generally people can have fun without alcohol am I right?..

    That's not usually the case in Finland where people tend to drink just to get into the mood or be comfortable in social situations. So I know very few finnish teens wouldn't say underage drinking is bad. 'Cause it's in the culture.
    at the bold yeah that is true, and to add to your logic marijuana consumption down here is very high. first world countries such as the US, Uk and etc view marijuana as a drug that kill brain cells and ruin lives, down here most people/teens view it as a natural herb, that is use for meditation, thus it is consume with very little fear of repercussions.
     
         

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    Re: Underage Drinking

    Underage Drinking Can be a problem.

    Some (not all) Underage drinkers Think its cool and are to immature to know how to Drink sensibly and tend to show off when drunk. Being it Having harmless fun or turning to acts of violence. While it is true that the majority Give "Drinking" a bad name.

    I do not have a problem with underage people Drinking in the company of sensible adults [as an example, A family Get togeather, Weddings, Partys]

    Also i wouldn't be suprised to learn how many Underage teens become parents because of Drinking to much

    My Father is/was alcoholic, A violent type at that, And has been all my life But he also started Drinkin at a Young age (13), So i know Frist hand how a "innocent" little drink can spiral out of controll and Destroy Familys/Friendships and so on.

    personally i only drink on special occasions, Xmas,halloween,Birthday partys, Weddings and so on. and i didn't even touch a drink till i was 16.
     
         

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    Re: Underage Drinking

    Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
    Underage Drinking Can be a problem.

    Some (not all) Underage drinkers Think its cool and are to immature to know how to Drink sensibly and tend to show off when drunk. Being it Having harmless fun or turning to acts of violence. While it is true that the majority Give "Drinking" a bad name.

    I do not have a problem with underage people Drinking in the company of sensible adults [as an example, A family Get togeather, Weddings, Partys]

    Also i wouldn't be suprised to learn how many Underage teens become parents because of Drinking to much

    My Father is/was alcoholic, A violent type at that, And has been all my life But he also started Drinkin at a Young age (13), So i know Frist hand how a "innocent" little drink can spiral out of controll and Destroy Familys/Friendships and so on.

    personally i only drink on special occasions, Xmas,halloween,Birthday partys, Weddings and so on. and i didn't even touch a drink till i was 16.
    "in the company of sensible adults"..man gotta say that sounds so lame..partying is always awesome...you're only seeing the bad sides of it
     
         

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    Re: Underage Drinking

    if you would think about it.. the damages, the effects and the pros and the cons are not dependent on what age you have started drinking alcohol... If a man started at 12 but he never let himself get drunk (a few bottles are enough, social drinking per se) then i dont think it would be that bad.. but if a man whether he started drinking at the age of 10, 15, 40 if he always drinks to get wasted then it would be that bad... that's when alcohol dependence or abuse will take it's place...


    so what now? it doesn't matter when you will start drinking.. it's the matter of how much and how often you drink... and what are your intentions...

    so if you cannot handle alcohol whether what age bracket you belong to then it's not good for you...

    but if you drink just for social drinking and it doesn't give big troubles then i think it's fine...

    it's not a matter of age...
     
         

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    Re: Underage Drinking

    I for one say it shuld be atleast 18. that shuld be the mature age anyways
    not like ppl listen to the 21+ rule anyways

    most ppl ik in middle skool was drinkn
    smh
     
         

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    Re: Underage Drinking

    ok what are you trying to ask? Im 17 and I drink practically every weekend Grey Goose and Belvedere only though
     
         

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    Re: Underage Drinking

    Quote Originally Posted by pein87 View Post
    Life is not some game. It only takes one time to ruin yours or someone else's life. I'm not painting anything in a bad light, drinking has serious consequences and is addictive. People use it as an excuse to do something reckless. Not all people act stupid when they drink and those people have a tolerance for it. It is not only about the effects that it has on your body but it can be a burden financially. You have to think about the future, when your in your 30's and 40's you'll notice the damage that drinking has caused to your body. I personally try to not be held down to anything. Regardless of what you think kicking the habit is not easy and in most cases you never quit. Drinking is not wrong it's when you do it in excess is when it can ripple out to others. If you drink yourself stupid or drink till your organs fail that only effects you. When you get drunk and do dumb stuff that effects others. Granted you lover, kids, friends, or parents might be mad at you if you drink yourself stupid or to organ failure it only effects them emotionally and not physically. My point is you need to be informed and accept all the risks before you engage in drinking. While right now its fun, when the consequences of giving your body a toxin set in will see if you truly accept the risks that came with it. I'd rather die from an accident or old age then by my own hand. Life can be so much more better in the future if you don't drink. Thats the problem with kids these days they don't know how to plan for the future and only seek to live in the moment.
    That's not a problem, that's a lifestyle.

    Live in the moment, I could not think of a better philosophy for my life. You never know when you're gonna die so living too carefully and thinking future all the time takes the fun out of life.

    Just enjoy life man and don't think about the future so much, that's my advice.



    ps. your right about the serious consequenses but again you only focus on the negative part. Most of people party without those kind of problems.
     
         

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