Some points about naruto's world..!!

[doga]

These are the only wy opinion :-
1.Madara fought harishirama with only EMS (he developed rinegan after his fight with 1'st)
2.Rinegan allways belong to uchiha because so6p's first son was born with sage eyes and second with sage body (but as the time pass both the brother clans have to give some sacrifise to achive those gifts)
3.Madara did not achive rinegan because got some of the 1'st hokage cell (but because rinegan is the final form of the sharingan as :- S<MS<EMS<RIN)
4.Madara did not die after his fight with harishirama and live a really long life( long enough to know nagato when he was young)
5.He live this long because he had 1'st hokage cell (and was nearly equal to become so6p)
6.The one who manipulate 4'th mizukage was real madara not tobi (because in kisame's mind the guy who manipulate 4'th has long hair - look carefully)
7.who ever tobi is must be very old in experience( very close to madara may be his brother)

[Flame Alchemist]

but kisame recognised tobi when he took of his mask
what about that one?

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

6.The one who manipulate 4'th mizukage was real madara not tobi (because in kisame's mind the guy who manipulate 4'th has long hair - look carefully)

The Masked Man who attacked Hidden Leaf Village, controlled Yagura, helped Itachi to massacre Uchiha is the same guy.

[Naruto33]

but kisame recognised tobi when he took of his mask
what about that one?

tobi is madar, madara split his soul into 2, one lives on, while the other is dead, waiting to be revived - as 4 the hair bit, he could hav just cut his hair ya know..:flaw:

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

tobi is madar, madara split his soul into 2, one lives on, while the other is dead, waiting to be revived - as 4 the hair bit, he could hav just cut his hair ya know..:flaw:

In what period in the timeline do you approximately place this so called splitting of Madara's soul?

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As for the hair story.

• Madara died when Nagato was still a child(brat).
• Nagato is probably older than Minato.
• Long-haired Masked Man met with Itachi right before the Uchiha Massacre.

There's no way in hell the Long-haired Masked Man who met with Itachi could possibly be Madara.

Plus short-haired Masked Man and Long haired Masked Man definitely has the same face. As Kisame re-identified the short-haired Masked Man as Madara/Mizukage. I dont know about you but Tobi looks nothing like Madara from what I've seen. In other words...the Mask Man=Tobi and only Tobi.

[Arcane Angel]

Edo Madara looks to be the same age when he fought the 1st Hokage, his armour and everything. So he probably didnt live long enough to know a young Nagato.

This would lead to two possibilities, Tobi and Madara are the same person or like you said Tobi is someone much older.

[siyo]

In what period in the timeline do you approximately place this so called splitting of Madara's soul?

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As for the hair story.

• Madara died when Nagato was still a child(brat).
• Nagato is probably older than Minato.
• Long-haired Masked Man met with Itachi right before the Uchiha Massacre.

There's no way in hell the Long-haired Masked Man who met with Itachi could possibly be Madara.

Plus short-haired Masked Man and Long haired Masked Man definitely has the same face. As Kisame re-identified the short-haired Masked Man as Madara/Mizukage. I dont know about you but Tobi looks nothing like Madara from what I've seen. In other words...the Mask Man=Tobi and only Tobi.

I wouldn't put that much emphasize on the fact that he called nagato a brat when he pretty much called onoki the same, who btw is much older than nagato.

for all we know he could just have some sort of superiority complex.

[doga]

but kisame recognised tobi when he took of his mask
what about that one?

may be he know both of them..

[doga]

The Masked Man who attacked Hidden Leaf Village, controlled Yagura, helped Itachi to massacre Uchiha is the same guy.

there is no proofe that yagura was controled by tobi (it was madara)
if what u say is true then what is the reason for tobi to hide his identity from kisame...?
Madara made a plan with tobi and accordingly ask kisame to form a org name Akatsuki.(nagato did not know that his rinegan belong to madara he died in beliving that he was original hier of them)

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

I wouldn't put that much emphasize on the fact that he called nagato a brat when he pretty much called onoki the same, who btw is much older than nagato.

for all we know he could just have some sort of superiority complex.

lol...That makes sense but why would Madara use words like "little" and "grow" in that same sentence?

Madara: It would appear that little brat Nagato managed to grow...

Of course Madara could be speaking about "growth" in terms of Nagato's use of the Rinnegan but why use the words "little brat" as well. Madara does not just call Oonoki a plain "Brat", he refers to Oonoki as "The Ryoutenbin Brat" which can be translated as "The Fence-sitter Kid". That sounds more like a nickname from the time Madara had his previous encounter with Oonoki.

In any case, If Madara calls grown people, that he has not known as kids when he was alive, "brats". It will mean, without a doubt, that your psychoanalysis on Madara must be correct.

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

there is no proofe that yagura was controled by tobi (it was madara)
if what u say is true then what is the reason for tobi to hide his identity from kisame...?
Madara made a plan with tobi and accordingly ask kisame to form a org name Akatsuki.(nagato did not know that his rinegan belong to madara he died in beliving that he was original hier of them)

@the bolded part: Are you suggesting that Kisame founded/started Akatsuki on Tobi's orders? The problem is that Kisame definitely joined Akatsuki after Itachi as seen here.


Tobi did eventually reveal his identity/face to Kisame. And as we've all seen, Tobi and Madara's faces look nothing like each other's.
This should be enough proof:

Here's two of the occasions the "Masked man" took off his mask and revealed it to the same person. Hoshigaki Kisame.

Over here "Long-haired" Tobi/"Mizukage" introduces himself as Uchiha Madara to Kisame

Over here "short-haired" Tobi is identified as Madara/Mizukage by Kisame

This proves with out a doubt that both the long haired and short haired "Masked Men" both have the same face. So, its safe to say that both are still the same person, also known as Tobi. Which means that the long haired masked man is not the real Uchiha Madara.

[Flame Alchemist]

tobi is madar, madara split his soul into 2, one lives on, while the other is dead, waiting to be revived - as 4 the hair bit, he could hav just cut his hair ya know..:flaw:

that's what I also think but most people disagree
I still believe tobi is somewhat madara