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    Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Scenario 1: Old vs Old
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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    White beard still wins at both scenarios.
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Edward wins both scenarios... 1st one mid, 2nd one high. Don't see how Garp counters mid/long range quakes, and he doesn't have the durability feats to tank a close range Gura punch (yet)
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    WB will win both high diff
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Garp wins scenario 1. WB was ill and got heart attacks in the middle of battle. That would seal WB's fate against Old Garp.

    WB wins scenario 2 of course
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Prime: Garp (Akainu v Kuzan dif) ... yes I think so, sue me, I do think that the top of the Marines was equal to the top of teh pirates and both were a nudge above the 2nd pirate (WB) or second marine (Sengoku) ... I also think the top of the third faction, the revs, is equal to teh top of the Marines and the top of teh Pirates

    Old: could go either way because even though WB was sick he also had a DF and the DF does not lose as much power with age
     
         
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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Quote Originally Posted by Algalon View Post
    Prime: Garp (Akainu v Kuzan dif) ... yes I think so, sue me, I do think that the top of the Marines was equal to the top of teh pirates and both were a nudge above the 2nd pirate (WB) or second marine (Sengoku) ... I also think the top of the third faction, the revs, is equal to teh top of the Marines and the top of teh Pirates

    Old: could go either way because even though WB was sick he also had a DF and the DF does not lose as much power with age
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    frivolous lawsuit, you don't have a case and neither have I
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    scenario 1:garp midd diffs
    scenario 2:can go either way extreme diff


    "the two of us has nearly killed each other so many times"roger said this and it proves roger=garp.
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Not sure why people think WB wins both.

    Garp takes 1 due to WBs bad health.
    And he was Rogers rival who was stronger than WB so naturally Garp prime>WB prime.
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Scenario one:

    - WB wins. He even while old is still holder of the title "Strongest man in the world"

    Scenario two:

    - WB wins again. It was stated that he was only one equal with Roger. Garp was just able to give him good fights.
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    WB wins high diff in prime
    Garp potentially wins old and sick WB since he was portrayed as vastly superior to the current admirals, who weren't much lower than WB. Albeit, by hype, WB would mid diff.
     
         
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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Tale View Post
    Scenario one:

    - WB wins. He even while old is still holder of the title "Strongest man in the world"

    Scenario two:

    - WB wins again. It was stated that he was only one equal with Roger. Garp was just able to give him good fights.
    But Roger was still stronger by a little. That's the whole reason he was recognized more than him. You even said it yourself before.

    Of course the gap was so tiny that their battles could've gone either way, but Roger was still stronger probably due to skill or using water to his advantage.
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    It required Sengoku and Garp to restrain Roger. This implies they weren't even close to his strength independently, and Roger most likely ended up fleeing most of his 1v1's anyways, to avoid any commotion or Buster Calls. WB being extremely close to his strength, along with the hype he received should put him above Garp, who is a CQC fighter, thus weak to WB's long range attacks.
     
         
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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Whitebeard wins both scenarios he was the only man to fight Roger equally .
     
         
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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Quote Originally Posted by Zorø View Post
    Whitebeard wins both scenarios he was the only man to fight Roger on equally .
    well clearly roger disagree's with u,read the damn manga.
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

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    well clearly roger disagree's with u,read the damn manga.
    Ive read the damn manga and it was stated that Roger and Whitebeard were rivals not Garp.
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    garp wins both scenarios.he is underrated so much these days.he is the strongest marine ever
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    The Garp wank is terrible. He is not placed Roger/Prime Whitebeard level in the manga. Whitebeard wins both with no more than high difficulty(maybe very high). Whitebeard is world strongest man while being old and sick, not Garp
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Garp is known to be the one who cornered roger and they almost got killed by each other not WB and i don't know why you think garp is weak.Garp is known as the hero & strongest among marines.roger trusted a marine to raise his child not WB itself shows the trust that roger had in garp and his strength.Garp has haki & he tried to kill akainu without any fear(many people say akainu is the strongest of admirals) and sengoku stopped him.so he is clearly strong.
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Quote Originally Posted by sravan View Post
    Garp is known to be the one who cornered roger and they almost got killed by each other not WB and i don't know why you think garp is weak.Garp is known as the hero & strongest among marines.roger trusted a marine to raise his child not WB itself shows the trust that roger had in garp and his strength.Garp has haki & he tried to kill akainu without any fear(many people say akainu is the strongest of admirals) and sengoku stopped him.so he is clearly strong.
    If he could kill Roger, he would have captured him and we both know he didn't. Weaker individuals can corner people(Shiki cornered Roger himself and they were only saved due to weather condition in their favor), especially when we don't know the means he used to accomplish this(maybe he had thousand allies and prepared plans), neither do we know exactly when the events happened. It could have easily been when Roger wasn't in his prime. Smoker cornered Luffy a lot of time for example, but Luffy is stronger than Smoker at the moment and will remain like this until the end of the manga considering his final rival is likely Blackbeard.

    Hypewise, Garp isn't put on the same pedestal as Roger/Prime Whitebeard. Buggy who was sailing with Roger and must certainly know Garp said only Whitebeard could stalemate Roger in a fight(in his younger days). Old and Sick Whitebeard got the title of world strongest man infront of Garp. Garp is simply not on Prime Whitebeard/Roger level
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Quote Originally Posted by T Bogard View Post
    The Garp wank is terrible. He is not placed Roger/Prime Whitebeard level in the manga. Whitebeard wins both with no more than high difficulty(maybe very high). Whitebeard is world strongest man while being old and sick, not Garp
    Garp is on their level it was said he could almost kill Roger. He's just not as strong as either of them.
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Quote Originally Posted by Zhoom View Post
    Garp is on their level it was said he could almost kill Roger. He's just not as strong as either of them.
    That hype like i've said isn't enough

    1- We don't know what he used to accomplish that. Maybe he had an army and conditions in his favor with prepared plans to do that(Shiki cornered Roger as well with a large group of ships, Smoker cornered Luffy plenty of times as well and so on)
    2- We don't know how old Roger was when it happened. It could have easily happened when he wasn't in is prime(Lucci almost killed Luffy, same goes for Crocodile and so on)

    With just that hype, he could be on their prime level like he couldn't. I do think however that he was likely on their level(story-wise), just inferior to them like you've said. If i didn't think that, i'd not say he would go down after a high-very high difficulty fight.
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate


    Anyone with a brain would realise WB called himself the strongest, Sengoku, Garp's subordinate, called WB the strongest, Buggy called WB the strongest who was capable of stalemating with Roger. And then because Roger tells Garp they are best friends and claims they have almost killed each other on numerous occasions, Garp=Roger>WB? Where's the logic, if anything, Roger was simply saying that to make his request more admirable, since saying "I have almost killed you on numerous occasions" doesn't hold the same connotations nor can it hint at them being best friends (nor would Garp have any reason to deny it, assuming Roger has had many more chances of killing him and Garp had a very few). He was simply trying to bring forth his own agenda, and his 'villainous' looking smile further emphasised on that. He knew of Garp's kind heartedness and took advantage of it. Moreover, we don't know of the circumstances as to how Garp would've tied Roger in the first place.
     
         

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    Re: Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

    Quote Originally Posted by T Bogard View Post
    That hype like i've said isn't enough

    1- We don't know what he used to accomplish that. Maybe he had an army and conditions in his favor with prepared plans to do that(Shiki cornered Roger as well with a large group of ships, Smoker cornered Luffy plenty of times as well and so on)
    2- We don't know how old Roger was when it happened. It could have easily happened when he wasn't in is prime(Lucci almost killed Luffy, same goes for Crocodile and so on)

    With just that hype, he could be on their prime level like he couldn't. I do think however that he was likely on their level(story-wise), just inferior to them like you've said. If i didn't think that, i'd not say he would go down after a high-very high difficulty fight.

    - Roger said himself WE'VE killed each other he was referring to him and aGap only in that scene..

    - He said many times, so it's illogical to think that all the time they fought was when Roger wasn't in his prime.

    From a story perspective and none story perspective it would make sense for him to be on their level. Let's say if Roger and WB were a 100 Garp would be 99 or 98. And to be on somone level is to push them with a high-dif fight, it would of been better if you said that they weren't equal like how some were implying he was.
     
         

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