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    The Truth about the Rokudou: Pein's 6 Forms = 6 Riko Jizos

    The Rinnegan (literally "Metempsychosis Eye") is a special pupil condition that is regarded as more illustrious than the Sharingan and Byakugan. Metempsychosis is the transmigration of one human body to another, especially after death. The Rinnegan is characterized by increasingly concentric circles around the pupil of the user. They were said to be possesed by the 'Sage of the 6 Paths', Rokudou Sennin, the founder of the entire whole ninja world, who's knowledge and skills gave birth to ninjutsu itself. They were called a tool of heaven itself. A tool of God which would bring salvation when the world was in chaos, or a weapon that would destroy all creation and return everything to dust.


    the Rokudou Sennin, chapter 373



    The Origin and Principles of the Rokudou


    The Rokudou has its roots in ancient Japanese Buddhism. Also known as the Six Planes of Existence (Six Paths) The paths within the realm of Birth and Death. Includes the three Evil Paths (hells, hungry ghosts, animality) and the paths of humans, asuras and celestials. These paths can be understood as states of mind.


    Rokudou 六道絵

    Literally Six Paths. The "Six Paths" (Rokudou 六道) of existence are also called the "Six Realms" (Rokushu 六趣) of reincarnation . According to Buddhist thought, all living beings are caught in an endless cycle of birth, death, and rebirth into one of the "six paths" being reborn up or down the scale according to the extent or lack of one's purity and good deeds in the previous existence. One can escape only by achieving enlightenment.


    Long before Buddhism's introduction to Japan, Brahman beliefs and traditions held sway. One important concept was "transmigration," more commonly known in the West as "reincarnation." It holds that all living things die and are reborn again. Your rebirth into the next life will be based on your behavior in your past life. This rebirth occurs again and again. When Buddhism emerged in Japan, it too stressed this belief in transmigration, one that still plays a major role in modern Buddhist philosophy. The modern Buddhist concept of Karma is also a byproduct of ancient Hindu beliefs in transmigration and reincarnation.




    The Six Paths of Transmigration
    六趣 or 六道眾生 or 六道 (Japanese. Rokudou)




    The Six Paths of Transmigration

    天道 or 天趣 Heaven--passing joy and pleasure (Deva-gati; Jap: Ten 天 )
    人道 or 人趣 Humanity--temporary balance and tranquillity (Manusya-gati; Jap: Jin 人)
    阿修羅道 or 阿修羅趣 Anger--arrogance and belligerence (Asura-gati; Jap: Ashura 阿修羅)
    畜生道 or 畜生趣 Animality--selfish stupidity (Tiryagyoni-gati; Jap: Chikushou 畜生)
    餓鬼道 or 餓鬼趣 Hunger--insatiable desire (Preta-gati; Jap: Gaki 餓鬼 )
    地獄道 or 地獄趣 Hell--intense suffering and despair (Naraka-gati; Jap: Jigoku 地獄 )



    1.Being in Hell Jigoku 地獄

    the lowest and worst path, wracked by torture and characterized by aggression.


    the Jigoku Zoshi ( "Hell Scroll" )

    2.Hungry Ghost Gaki 餓鬼
    the path of hungry spirits; characterized by great craving and eternal starvation;


    Scroll of the Hungry Ghost, late 12th century

    3.Animal Chikushou 畜生
    the path of animals and livestock, characterized by stupidity and servitude.


    Giant crab summoning, chapter 374

    4.Angry God Ashura 阿修羅
    The apth of anger, jealousy, and constant war; the Asura (Ashura) are demigods, semi-blessed beings; they are powerful, fierce and quarrelsome; like humans, they are partly good and partly evil.


    Pein's "judgement" as an act of God, chapter 369


    5.Human Jin 人
    The human realm; beings who are both good and evil; enlightenment is within their grasp, yet most are blinded and consumed by their desires.


    6.Heavenly Being Ten 天
    The realm of heavenly beings filled with pleasure; the deva hold godlike powers; some reign over celestial kingdoms.




    The Roku Jizo (The Six Jizo)



    The six Jizo statues


    In Japan, groupings of six Jizo statues (one for each of the Six Paths) are quite common and often placed at busy intersections or oft-used roads to protect travelers and those in "transitional" states. Jizo also often carries a staff with six rings, which he shakes to awaken us from our delusions -- the rings likewise symbolize the six paths of existence.

    The six Jizo come in common grouping:

    Enmei (long life; prolonger of life; Beings in Hell)
    Hoshu (treasure hand or possession; Hungry Ghost)
    Hoin (treasure seal; possession of earth; Animal)
    Hosho (treasure place; place of treasures; Asura)
    Jichi (land possession; earth; Humans)
    Kenko-i or Nikko (strong determination; Celestial Being)

    Jizo vowed to protect and save beings in each of the Six Paths, in particular those in hell, and is thus often shown in groupings of six.



    The Roku Jizo Connection

    I believe there is a significant connection between the Roku Jizo and the six bodies of Pein.


    The Rokudou and the Roku Jizo are most probably connected to the six bodies of Pein. Each has its own distinct characteristic and unique ability. There could be a connection between the characteristics of the beings in the 6 paths and the 6 forms of Pein.


    This is the Six Realms of Samsara, held in the mouth of the God of Hell / Death God. Look at his eyes, by the way.




    This is where Pein's eyes come from. Remember Kishi's original design of Pein with the unevenly spaced circles? The big gap was the "Six Realms" section. Kishi later made the eyes more even.

    The Six Realms are Deva, Asura, Human, Animal, Preta, Naraka. Pein has six bodies. There is a connection.

    Now, look at the very center of this circle. A snake, eating a bird, eating a boar. Look at the pheonix-like bird's wings and tail.




    Tail - Snake
    Crazy tusk - Boar
    Right wing and tail - Bird

    And the chameleon represents Pein (chameleon has wind element in mythology, crazy eyes)



    Now, something interesting:

    Pein's bang = tusk (Supposed to represent boar, that's why he looks like Ino. Ino = boar)
    Tail = Snake (pretty obvious)
    Hair on back and left = Pheonix tail

    And obviously the rest is Pein.

    Look at the whole positioning of it, the tusk with the snake turned around and facing foreword. He's like the mirror opposite of the summon in that picture. That's his character design in a nutshell.


    And he actually said himself in the recent chapter "this world of infinite pain", which is exactly what Samsara is.


    So far we have

    Kenko (Deva) - pain's 1st form; god-like abilities, controls rain, telepathy, creates; probably Yahiko's body

    Hosho (Asura) - one of the last two forms

    Jichi (Human) - pain's human form; probably the thin summon, uses taijutsu, has high durability

    Hoin (Animality) - pain's 2nd form; animal and human summons

    Hoshu (Hunger) - fat summon; absorbs chakra

    Enmei (Hell) - demon-like powers; probably genjutsu and edo tensei; the one who cut off one of Jiraiya's arms


    Pein is a master of the Shouten No Jutsu ( Shapeshifting Technique ) so I believe he used bodies with different bloodline abilities and has his soul transmigrate through each one as time passed he was able to transcend into the last path, the "ten", endowing him with "god-like" abilities.



    Well that's all for now. Thanks for reading. Your thoughts would be highly appreciated. ^_^
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    the only problem i have is that Jichi and Hoshu sound the same...
     
         

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    what im getting from this is that Pein is sage of the six paths but in other people's bodies. this would explain his claim to be god since he created the ninja world and thus has a right to destroy it.
     
         

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    but if pein is so powerful why then is he sucking up to maadara?
     
         

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    well that's your opinion. that isn't my problem
     
         

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    what shodaime is saying could be very true, also the reason pein could be taking orders from madara is that madara created akatsuki and wants madara to think he's got everything going his way. so in the end they both have different plans and maybe pein will kill madara to have his way. but remember pein's weakness(his downfall) lies in his secret.
     
         

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    believe that he has even split them up all nicely
    the left side of the chamber, 6, 5, 4 being the 'evil' side
    and 1,2,3 being the 'good' side of the six

    and 3 probably being the "human" and his own real body, where as all the others are people with a distinct characteristic stereotypical to that what the six path say they are
     
         

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    i will now summerize what each body is
    body1= god-like abilities, controls rain, telepathy
    body2= ???
    body3= taijutsu, very durable
    body4= the summoner
    body5= chakura asorber guy
    body6= genjutsu
     
         

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    http://bp3.blogger.com/_VkIbHKDK5Dg/...shadsonic2.jpg

    on this image from LEFT to RIGHT in my opinion

    1)Hoin (Animality) - pain's 2nd form; animal and human summons

    2)Hosho (Asura) - one of the last two forms

    3)Enmei (Hell) - demon-like powers; probably genjutsu and edo tensei; the one who cut off one of Jiraiya's arms

    4)Kenko (Deva) - pain's 1st form; god-like abilities, controls rain, telepathy, creates; probably Yahiko's body

    5)Jichi (Human) - pain's human form; probably the thin summon, uses taijutsu, has high durability

    6)Hoshu (Hunger) - fat summon; absorbs chakra
     
         

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    Most excellent.

    As for the soul mitigation, perhaps he picks somebody who's character embodies one of the paths. He waits for them to die, or he kills them, and then uses their body for soul mitigation purposes. Having a body that used to house a particular type of character may make it easier to assume a certain form. For example, if the nin who died was particularly determined, then, when Pein takes his body, it may be easier for him to use the "Determined" form.

    There may be something to the "omg its deidaras body" idea. Hell, he may acquire all of their knowledge and techniques. Another ability of the Rin'negan would be proficiency with all types of techniques, no matter what the type. So, he'd be able to max out Deidara's abilities, if Deidara's body it is, in ways Deidara himself never could.

    As to why he could kill the Chunnin with the Rin'negan, a final ability would be the ability to recall memories from past lives, a sort of genetic memory passed through the generations. When threatened, he may have been able to call up the ninja skills of previous members of his tribe thus endowed with the Rin'negan (rare and powerful nins) and be able to fight back. Thus possessed, he may not recall what he does during that period of time. So, thanks to this thread, my ideas in sum:

    1) He picks people who follow one of the 6 paths. Once they are dead, he uses their bodies and likenesses to access a different "form" along with their different techniques and knowledge.

    2)The Rin'negan may allow him to use different abilities and different types to their maximum potential. Like Kakashi, but the Rin'negan allows him to go further than Kakashi.

    3) Genetic memory endows him the knowledge of past, powerful nins of his tribe.
     
         

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    ehh idk if the whole deidara thing is true because jiraiya said each body was someone he MET before. i don't think jiraiya and deidara have really ever met
     
         

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    Pein is a master of the Shouten No Jutsu ( Shapeshifting Technique ) so I believe he used bodies with different bloodline abilities and has his soul transmigrate through each one as time passed he was able to transcend into the last path, the "ten", endowing him with "god-like" abilities.
     
         

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    I think that the necklace that Rokudou has around his neck is one that is pein useing control all 6 bodys.
     
         

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    you probably right thats it u right
     
         

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    so if Naruto gets close by using his dad's yellow flash he can destroy the necklace and see Pein as he really is.
    - also remember that Naruto is even faster then his father, just because of the fact that he has the Demon Fox Charka mixed with his own.
    His own Chakra= the skills and knowledge of technique
    Demon Fox Chakra= helps him recover and speeds up the time it would take for him to learn the skill.
     
         
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    good theories all around, and also if that necklace is pein's weakness, that might be too much of a weakness
     
         

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    it would be cool if naruto can summmoned is dad
     
         

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    That would be weird and i think that should never happen!
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by shodaime View Post
    it would be cool if naruto can summmoned is dad
    You mean like he learns Orochimarus Kuchiyose, Edo Tensei?
     
         

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    i have a question : why are all pein bodies people jiraiya met before?
    i dont think its pure coincidence, its gotta mean something........maybe pein is connected to jiraiya somehow
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukoshi View Post
    You mean like he learns Orochimarus Kuchiyose, Edo Tensei?
    yeah like oro i think he my even summoned all the kage
     
         

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    ne didn't summon the bodies he just put them in weird containers
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sage106 View Post
    i have a question : why are all pein bodies people jiraiya met before?
    i dont think its pure coincidence, its gotta mean something........maybe pein is connected to jiraiya somehow
    that's what i think too, jiraiya has met all these ninja before and i think it has something t do with why the toad sage sent him on his mission to write those books. i think the numbers he wrote on the back are chapters in the books of his life(research)and that has peins identity.
     
         

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    i think the pein true identity write in the back of the toad
     
         

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    Wow Nice Reasserch Shodai
     
         

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