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    My theory:
    OK so u all remember when danzou ordered "sai" to kill sasuke. This was to finish the job that itachi didnt. Itachi was ordered to kill his entire clan but left one alive..........Sasuke. This was becuz...
    1.)He knew that Sasuke was one of the few who could kill Madara.(maybe)
    (Elders didnt know madara was alive but Itachi did. He was probably already in akatsuki as a spy or sometin.)
    2.)He couldnt bring himself to kill his little brother cuz he was completely inocent.

    When i mean innocent I mean he didnt know anything that was going on in the Uchiha clan that would order their execution by Third, Danzou, and Elders.
    Itachi probably reported this to the hokage cuz even though he was Uchiha he was loyal to the leaf and probably wanted to protect it from whatever danger Uchiha had prepared.

    But I dont put the third in this situation cuz im pretty sure he wouldnt do this. He would probably try to find "another way" or someting but time was running out so he was forced to assign Itachi this mission.
     
         
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    Itachi = bad madara = liar get over it.

    Madara isn't telling this to sasuke cause he is nice he is doing this because he knows he will gain greatly from this what will he gain well the one thing he was interested in "sasuke".

    Sasuke = Anakin Skywalker. Tobi's poison will get him cut him to the core and he'll go on a rampage. We are looking at the new potential Madara apprentice here, trust me.

    Konoha = Jedi.....
    Naruto = Luke
    Pain = lol Darth Maul
    Tobi = Darth Sidious
    Jiraiya = Qui gun jin

    Jedi ="evil"
    Naruto= chosen one
    pain= guy who killed his teacher
    tobi= the motherfuker who has been around for centuries evilllll
    Jiraiya= teacher who died thsu enraging naruto's spark.

    Sasuke= guy who will be brainwashed and nobodies words would get to him he will think one thing jedi are evil jedi= konoha

    Kakashi=Obi-Wan who will do what he must.

    That's how it is.

    Madra is:

    A= Lying

    B= twisting the truth and adding bullshit to it

    C= telling him half the story but not the whole thing.
     
         

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    shodaime= CHUBAKA!!!!
     
         

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    *forward* sry for my bad english^^

    i think there is another way. the 3th gave itachi the mission. yaeh i know "unbelievable" "impossible", but a hokage is the defender of konoha, more than all other things, sarutobi said that in the fight with orochimaru. now why? its possible that jiraira is right with his oppinion that madara controlled the 9tailed, and its possible that the uchiha clan knew this, and more, the uchiha clan knew how to do this. And madara fights to the 1th, foundet konoha, but, i dont know the capture anymore, madara would a other way for konoha like the 1th, and madara was the leader of uchiha. SO its possible that the uchiha clan would change konoha in the way of madara, without doubts and within all things the have to do for this goal. Now only Itachi wouldn't take this way and tell this to the 3th. But why this big LIE, its simple, the uchiha clan wars a part of konoha and if came out the truth a kind of civilwar can come up, so its better the village hate one person and dont know the truth, so all work for one goal again. But im not sure why madara helped him, but its pssible that he will be care that he is the strongest uchiha again, in other words, no uchiha clan no chance for itachi to get better eyes. Itachi know this fact and protect sasuke, to get his eyes or that sasuke came up strong enought to battle madara. Ok now danzou, he will work in this story with uchiha clan together, but this plan lost, cause uchihaclan died. To protect his importantst person (madara cause he can control the 9tailed) he tried to kill sasuke, so itachi cant get his eyes, or sasuke cant come strong enough to kill madara. All that means danzou dont interesst for orochimaru, he is interessted by akatsuki, cause there power is enough to capture konoha. Its possible to that danzou is the leader or right hand or spy for the akatsuki.

    And sry again my english is horrible, i hope the text is understandable *g
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Uchiha View Post
    shodaime= CHUBAKA!!!!
    what the hell do u say back to the topic
     
         

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    the third couldnt kill oro his student when he first found out he was betraying the village then how could he then order the killing of a whole entire clan.
     
         

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    Hehehe i see my english is worster than i know^^

    ignore the part with oro in my post, it was only to say, that the 3th is a man of peace a ninja a family guy, but over all of them he is the protector of konoha, after this came all other things. and another thing will belogical in my theory. All know that, that danzou will become hokage and that he try to revolute to the hokage, also why is he in konoha again. there is only one reason in my oppinion. Danzou know something about the hokage, but the hokage knows something about danzou. so you have an situation like an political draw or a stalemate in chess. and that waht danzou know is that the 3th gave the mission to kill the uchiha clan on itachi, and the 3th knows about danzous relationsship to the plan of uchiha clan or akatsuki or madara.
     
         
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    maybe danzao wanted sasuke dead cuz he knew sasuke would eventually join up with maadara. i dont believe maadara is telling the whole truth , he wants manipulate sasuke into joining up with him by creating hatred between sasuke and konoha. i believe maadara is the person who ordered him to kill the uchicha clan cuz itaachi himself said maadara helped him killed the clan. Ofcourse there is a slight chance danzaou had a hand in this but not definantly the 3rd. it looks like sasuke is gonna join up with akatsuki and be maadara's apprentice
     
         

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    But, even then, Madara is still not lying in a way that encourages trust between he and Sasuke. He is doing it in a way that, while it may destabilize Sasuke, he is only increasing the gap between him. Because:

    A. Sasuke believes Madara that Itachi was good and is overcome with guilt. He recognizes Madara as the major reason for all of his suffering and vows to destroy him.

    B. Sasuke doesn't believe Madara, and the author just wasted several chapters over a random lie that has no meaning.

    It is very easy to think of possibilities. Is it possible that Madara is lying? Yes. Does that make sense? No.

    Why? Because it has clearly been set up from the start. You are a consumer, correct? As a consumer, are you going to be happy if the entire edition you just bought is one giant lie? No. You won't. It doesn't strengthen the plot if Madara is lying. It shakes it up and destroys a ton of character development for Sasuke and Itachi, and weaken's their story as well.

    However, if Madara is telling the truth, Sasuke now has:

    -A reason to still be in the manga, be it for or against Madara and/or Konoha.
    -A ton of character development, as he will be forced to question every thought he has had about his brother for years.
    -A ton of answers for previous questions.

    If Madara is lying, we have:

    -I guess a potential arc where Sasuke joins Akatsuki, although that just sounds boring.
    -No character development for Itachi or Sasuke.
    -No questions to answers.
    -No reason for several chapters to be dedicated to a "fake history" that has been built up over the course of the series.

    While, character-wise, there may be some reason for Madara to lie (although this is completely unfounded by anything stated in the manga), there just isn't any point for it design-wise. The story is stronger if it is the truth. Just as the story was stronger because Jiraiya died instead of escaping, Orochimaru is gone for good so we can move on to new villains, Tsunade becomes the Hokage, Naruto learns to advance the Rasengan, Sakura becomes a medical ninja, blah, blah, blah.

    No author will intentionally weaken their story.


    And there is no proof for your basis that "Madara is always lying." Actually, Madara is the only one consistently up-front about everything.

    Yes I killed your family. Yes, I was beaten by the stupid, first Hokage (who I unfortunately admired). Yes, I controlled the Kyuubi. Yes, I created Akatsuki.

    The only "lie" is him pretending to be an idiot so that he can spy on Akatsuki easily while Pein secretly reports to him.

    Seriously, either create an argument from story aspects or design standpoints.

    And saying that Sarutobi wanted peace overall means NOTHING. Naruto wants peace as well, but it doesn't stop him from killing a rival Shinobi if he has to.

    Sarutobi led Konoha through a war so that it came out strong, and assigned assasination missions to shinobi everyday. He runs off into battle with the rest of them. He tries to rip out Orochimaru's soul.

    He was a peace-lover, yes, but one of the major themes of Naruto is that the children are the future that will see past our own foolishness. Sarutobi may have loved peace, but he was still a warrior from a rough past. He WOULD have killed the Uchiha clan if necessary. This is a man that was willing to send a group of thirteen year olds into an enemy infested area during a war (Kakashi Gaiden). He understood a balance system where some evil was necessary for the greater good.

    Which brings more peace? The Uchiha clan destroys/takes over Konoha during a civil war costing many lives. The Uchihas are quietly dispatched in one night and the people grieve, but move on.

    It is easy to see. It is the same way Danzou is an "enemy" now. If the Fifth got proof that he was planning something terrible, he would be killed instantly and Root disbanded.

    Konoha protects Konoha before it protects the individual. The Hokage is a leader because he is recognized as being the best man for the job. If the elders didn't think that he was doing it correctly, I am sure that they could do away with him.

    Why else would Tsunade agree to their demands, if she could just say, "I'm Hokage, I do what I want,"?
     
         

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    the differance between tobi and sauske and ankien(spelling) and sidious is
    anikan joined sidious because it was his only choice for so he belived
    as for suaske he can still return to konoha even though he hurt naruto
    suaske= almost killed naruto
    anakin=slaughterd jedi in jedi temple and helped kill mace windu(i think sidious lost on purpose)
     
         

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    anyways like i was saying more points to madara lying then to him not lying kthxbaiiii

    I predict more bs from madara and sasuke starting to believe him next chapter should cover shodaim vs madara i think.
     
         

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    yay i wanted to see the fight but all you people dbout madara
     
         

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    Madara could win Sasuke over by purely telling the truth also, after this he could simply build up hate for Konoha for killing his clan and ultimately using Itachi as their tool. It sounds that this is most likely, because it seems Itachi did not want Sasuke to know the truth. Hence why he planted Amaterasu in his eye, so that Madara would not approach him and tell him the truth about Itachi.

    It would not be suprising if Konoha did order the assassination, think of how dangerous the Uchiha clan can be. Their History, their Secrecy and the dark clan Secrets only they know, its highly possible Itachi confessed things to the leaders of Konoha.

    There's alot you dont know about the Uchiha, all we know is they possess the Sharinghan, to also gain more power they kill those closest to them and they are one of the strongest clans in the Shinobi world. In other words, they're highly dangerous...

    Konoha would only execute the Uchiha clan if there was something greater at risk. It would not be evil, but consider it for the "Greater good"...

    Obviously Madara would be angry, he would tell Sasuke of the history between them and Konoha. It would obviously be a dark history because we know how much Madara hates Konoha, he could use telling the full truth to Sasuke to turn him against Konoha. Because Madara he knows how powerful Sasuke is... up untill now Itachi, used this opportunity to destroy the evil in his clan and kept it secret because thats the way he wanted it. He probably would rather let Sasuke think he's evil, than Sasuke to side with Madara hating Konoha....

    Could possibly lead Sasuke turning on Naruto and helping Akatsuki to take the Kyuubi...... "Do not kill Naruto, you will regret it" could be an insight into the future. Quite a quote from a while back..

    So.... Itachi imo hid this all from Sasuke, even remember him saying to him that "Madara helped him kill the clan", this is most likely a lie, to keep Sasuke away from Madara and to possibly hate him... Which in turn, stops Madara revealing the truth about Itachi.

    "Protecting him from the truth" - Which may or may not turn him against Konoha. Why else would Itachi want to fill Madara's mouth full of Amaterasu lol....to shut him up, to keep this sacrifice away from Sasuke.

    I suggest people read and compare Manga chapters and reading the naruto wikia. Because saying Madara is lying would be pointless, but we know he isnt at all. Because so far, what he's told is accurate to what we already know, he's filling in the pieces behind the Uchiha clan that none of us has known.

    He would gain NOTHING from lying to Sasuke, so thats why its unlikely in my opinion.
     
         

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    what the hell. next week is golden week???? so theres no shonen jump/naruto manga next week. and theres also no shippuden next week. so in other words this week will blow ass!!!!!!!!
     
         

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    oh men what a drag
     
         

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    im a consumer right, but i dont belive that madara lies, i think its the truth, but only one side of the coin, and the other side he will didn't tell sasuke cause there is the reason for killing the clan. "The best lie, is a part of the truth, they do you need to change a oppinion", in this case the oppinion of sasuke. I would only say that its possible the 3th gave the mission to itachi to safe konoha, cause the uchiha clan works with danzou together or want to try to get the control over konoha, and form konoha like madaras konoha.
     
         

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    thinmints meant tsuande "DIDNT" gain not did not... and it is sakura is proof that it is her own developed jutsu since she was able to teach her that power punching.

    and to answer the question why the bloodline did not get to her, it may have been that the mokuton was not the bloodline of the clan but just the 1st hokages ability, they have been saying he was the only one that could use it for quite some time now, so maybe the clan had some other ability if they had a bloodline.

    Also not all uchihas had the shirangan, most of them were able to develop it but thats not the point, tsu is the grand daughter of the 1st so after 2 generations maybe the blood line weaken, the 1st coulda married someone not from the clan, and then their child married another not from the clan therefore weakening their clan blood. And there are also degrees of strength of the bloodline ability, for example neji fully gained the hyuugas powers and could see almost 360 degrees around him.
     
         

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    I am wondering who is naruto going to fight first it might be pein or sasuke.
     
         

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    after training with toad it my be sasuke again
     
         

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    Do you think that Tobi/Madara can't deactivate his sharingan?
     
         

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