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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Quote Originally Posted by s0ulja View Post
    ronaldo is more of a complete player than messi
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    ronaldo lacks something that messi has, that is team work, asside that he's a great player, but messi is just better
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Better Dribbling Skills - Messi
    Better Shot Power - Ronaldo
    Better Passing ability - Messi
    Better Heading ability - Ronaldo
    Better Efficiency in front of goal - Messi
    Better Natural Speed - Ronaldo
    Better Field-Analysis - Messi
    Better Physical Prowess - Ronaldo
    Better Control Skills - Messi
    Better PK/FK shooter - Ronaldo
    Better 2-footed player - Messi
    Better Defensive Skills - Ronaldo


    It's a tie in my eyes.
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    [FON="Century Gothic"]Better Dribbling Skills - Messi
    Better Shot Power - Ronaldo
    Better Passing ability - Messi
    Better Heading ability - Ronaldo
    Better Efficiency in front of goal - Messi
    Better Natural Speed - Ronaldo
    Better Field-Analysis - Messi
    Better Physical Prowess - Ronaldo
    Better Control Skills - Messi
    Better PK/FK shooter - Ronaldo
    Better 2-footed player - Messi
    Better Defensive Skills - Ronaldo


    It's a tie in my eyes.[/FONT]
    Messi has batter control than Ronaldo........? Are you serious !?
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Quote Originally Posted by Talha52 View Post
    Messi has batter control than Ronaldo........? Are you serious !?
    I'm a Ronaldo fan and yes, I'm serious - Messi has better control skills than Ronaldo
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    I'm Barca fan so i vote for Messi
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Messi. Nuff' said!

    Note that I'm not a Barcelona fan. O_o
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Whats the point of this.
    Ask yourself who got the award 3 times in a row for worlds best player.
    Thats your answer
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharinnigan View Post
    ronaldo "o phenomeno" from brazil rapes both of them. but between the two, MESSI IS THE MORE COMPLETE PLAYER, idk what soccer u guys are watching but ive been playing for over 17 years and watching it just as long. not saying cristiano is much worse, or that hes even bad..cuz we all know that would be a lie, but messi is an all around better player IMO... fifa agrees with me.. cristiano has a better shot though ill tell you that much.
    i agree but read the thread topic....
    Quote Originally Posted by elmage View Post
    ronaldo lacks something that messi has, that is team work, asside that he's a great player, but messi is just better
    realli? i think not, c.r is a completeli diff player under mourinho not d same old hog he used to be in man utd..so i say its preti even
    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    Better Dribbling Skills - Messi
    Better Shot Power - Ronaldo
    Better Passing ability - Messi
    Better Heading ability - Ronaldo
    Better Efficiency in front of goal - Messi
    Better Natural Speed - Ronaldo
    Better Field-Analysis - Messi
    Better Physical Prowess - Ronaldo
    Better Control Skills - Messi
    Better PK/FK shooter - Ronaldo
    Better 2-footed player - Messi
    Better Defensive Skills - Ronaldo


    It's a tie in my eyes.
    do u have any idea bt football or u just got dose categories from fifa?
    the only distinctive advantage messi has over cr is dribbling, cr has about 3-4
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Whats the point of this.
    Ask yourself who got the award 3 times in a row for worlds best player.
    Thats your answer
    thats only cuz of hackroom handshakes n bj's
    im not say cr shud hav one...but last yr how messi won it over iniesta is a mystery to me
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Messi!! :D
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Ronaldo D
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Quote Originally Posted by s0ulja View Post
    do u have any idea bt football or u just got dose categories from fifa?
    the only distinctive advantage messi has over cr is dribbling, cr has about 3-4
    There's a single sticky thread on football in this Sports section. Perhaps, my posts can prove how much "idea" I have about football.
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharinnigan View Post
    ronaldo "o phenomeno" from brazil rapes both of them. but between the two, MESSI IS THE MORE COMPLETE PLAYER, idk what soccer u guys are watching but ive been playing for over 17 years and watching it just as long. not saying cristiano is much worse, or that hes even bad..cuz we all know that would be a lie, but messi is an all around better player IMO... fifa agrees with me.. cristiano has a better shot though ill tell you that much.
    this
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    In terms of Skill neither: That goes to Ronaldhinio
    In terms of Versatilty: Messi
    In terms of Striking :Christiano
    theres no clear answer
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    Better Dribbling Skills - Messi
    Better Shot Power - Ronaldo
    Better Passing ability - Messi
    Better Heading ability - Ronaldo
    Better Efficiency in front of goal - Messi
    Better Natural Speed - Ronaldo
    Better Field-Analysis - Messi
    Better Physical Prowess - Ronaldo
    Better Control Skills - Messi
    Better PK/FK shooter - Ronaldo
    Better 2-footed player - Messi
    Better Defensive Skills - Ronaldo


    It's a tie in my eyes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    There's a single sticky thread on football in this Sports section. Perhaps, my posts can prove how much "idea" I have about football.
    dribbling-messi
    passing-tie (yes messi put through better through balls but ronaldo has better crosses, and he 1-2's with benzema+ozil r very good too)
    shot power-ronaldo
    heading-ronaldo
    efficiency??? who cares about ur shots to goal ratio...wat counts is goals, that will have to go to ronaldo
    natural speed-ronaldo
    field analyssi (awareness)-tie
    physical prowess-ronaldo
    control-tie (lets not get control confused with messi's close control dribbling)
    PK-ronaldo
    FK-ronaldo
    better 2 footed-tie
    better defensive-tie (yes ronaldo has better abilities but he very rareli drops back to help the defence..this is one area where he can improve immensely

    dusn look like a tie to me
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    There both amazing at what they do.
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Quote Originally Posted by s0ulja View Post
    dribbling-messi
    passing-tie (yes messi put through better through balls but ronaldo has better crosses, and he 1-2's with benzema+ozil r very good too)
    shot power-ronaldo
    heading-ronaldo
    efficiency??? who cares about ur shots to goal ratio...wat counts is goals, that will have to go to ronaldo
    natural speed-ronaldo
    field analyssi (awareness)-tie
    physical prowess-ronaldo
    control-tie (lets not get control confused with messi's close control dribbling)
    PK-ronaldo
    FK-ronaldo
    better 2 footed-tie
    better defensive-tie (yes ronaldo has better abilities but he very rareli drops back to help the defence..this is one area where he can improve immensely

    dusn look like a tie to me
    I'll elaborate on all my points then.


    Better Dribbling Skills -Messi

    Well, Messi is better but I find Ronaldo's dribble to be very good. Both are very close on that point. Ronaldo's dribbles are more technique-based and more of eye candies while Messi's dribbles are much simpler but much more effective in one-on-one. Frankly, I like Ronaldo's dribbles more but in football, victory is what matter. And Messi's dribbles are more deadly.

    Better Shot Power - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo's shot power has been improved considerably ever since he came to United. Messi's shot have also improved in power and precision but Ronaldo's is much more raw in it.

    Better Passing ability - Messi

    It's far from a tie. Sure, Ronaldo's 1-2 with Ozil, Benzema or even Rooney are great but it isn't something he can repeat in every matches. Messi is in a formation where passing and possession is not a style but a culture. And his passing skills surpassed Ronaldo by far thanks to the constant tiki-taka at Barca. Moreover, his long passes and crosses also improved a lot.

    Better Heading ability - Ronaldo

    Messi is poor with his header due to his short height and Ronaldo became a key header player thanks to Alex Ferguson. It was the part he improved the most in 2008. He also doesn't suffer from lack of height. So, without a doubt, Ronaldo.

    Better Efficiency in front of goal - Messi

    This isn't really about goals tally or shot ratio. Messi is more calm-headed and precise in its finishing. See the first Liga Classico of this season, Ronaldo missed 2 clear chances; which if scored will have given Madrid the victory. Messi also got about the same number of chances but to be more efficient, he made the right passing/dribble so that those chances ended up as goals. There are many matches like that. Ronaldo gets too many chances that he doesn't convert into goals and this has been a constant issue whether in United or Madrid. Messi makes the better of his chances; even if they are at times, fewer.

    Better Natural Speed - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo's speed is exceptional. Even Bolt accepted it.

    Better Field-Analysis - Messi

    Field Analysis isn't only "Awereness" as you bracketed it grossly. Field Analysis and Mindset form an 'art' in football that we call teamplay. I did not add Mindset in my analysis becuase obviously, I can't know what's inside Messi/Ronaldo's head. Still, if we analyses both sense of teamplay, you clearly see Messi is better. Ronaldo makes great runs and effort to position himself. But not only Messi equals Ronaldo in that field, but Messi also knows when and where his teammates are situated than Ronaldo. Ronaldo has a little more individualistic approach. That's the reason, Messi surpasses him in this field. Videos can easily prove it.

    Better Physical Prowess - Ronaldo

    I think, this can easily be seen when you see both player's physical caliber itself.

    Better Control Skills - Messi


    Messi makes very small footsteps for ball control. Yes, this aid him considerably in his dribbling style. But even if I completely neglect the dribbling aspect in this field, that small footsteps of his helps him in control and enables him to quickly link up with passing, dribbling or shooting. Ronaldo's control style is very good but his long legs doesn't enables him to do the type of footsteps Messi does.

    CR7's physique gives him the advantage of having better heading and endurance prowess while the physique of Messi helps him in his control skills.

    Better PK/FK shooter - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo. The guy was a normal PK shooter but little by little, he improve in matches and under the tutelage of Sir Alex. He developed his own PK style and own FK style. Now, he is perfecting it. Messi is good but not up to that level in this field.

    Better 2-footed player - Messi

    Messi uses his left foot more while Ronaldo uses his right foot. But Messi is much better with his right foot than Ronaldo is with his left foot; thus making him more of a 2-footed player. I've been a fan of Ronaldo and scrutinized all his advantages as well as disadvantages thus in his United days mostly and still now, with Madrid.

    Better Defensive Skills - Ronaldo

    He doesn't drop by to help Madrid's defense too much since Madrid is a very offensive team. United's defense was a key part of their game in 2007-2010. When Ronaldo was here, he used to drop into defense rarely but SAF forced him to improve on that path and in his last season, he was exceptional with his defensive. Messi does that very very few. One because his physique doesn't permit him these too much in a match and secondly, since Barca has ball possession too much. In fact, even in Argentina, he does that very few times even if Argentina isn't a team reputed for their possession ball style. Sure, Ronaldo can improve much more in that field but he's better than Messi in that field.

     
         
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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

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    efficiency??? who cares about ur shots to goal ratio...
    Efficiency is a major factor in football you should know that...

    wat counts is goals, that will have to go to ronaldo
    Ronaldo has played 445 and scored 243 goals. He has played 10 seasons.

    Messi has played 307 games and scored 217 goals. He has played 7 seasons.

    So, Ronaldo has played 138 games more than Messi, but scored only 26 goals in those games if you calculate and look at it from that perspective.

    Messi averages 31 goals a season.

    Ronaldo averages 24 goals a season.

    If we even look at it your way Messi is still the better one in that category.

    Although this season Messi has been having problems and Ronaldo seems like the better one, despite Messi out playing him in most Clasico this season.

    Fact: Messi has lost possession of the ball most in La Liga this season, which is a shocker.
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    I'll elaborate on all my points then.

    Better Passing ability - Messi

    It's far from a tie. Sure, Ronaldo's 1-2 with Ozil, Benzema or even Rooney are great but it isn't something he can repeat in every matches. Messi is in a formation where passing and possession is not a style but a culture. And his passing skills surpassed Ronaldo by far thanks to the constant tiki-taka at Barca. Moreover, his long passes and crosses also improved a lot.


    Better Efficiency in front of goal - Messi

    This isn't really about goals tally or shot ratio. Messi is more calm-headed and precise in its finishing. See the first Liga Classico of this season, Ronaldo missed 2 clear chances; which if scored will have given Madrid the victory. Messi also got about the same number of chances but to be more efficient, he made the right passing/dribble so that those chances ended up as goals. There are many matches like that. Ronaldo gets too many chances that he doesn't convert into goals and this has been a constant issue whether in United or Madrid. Messi makes the better of his chances; even if they are at times, fewer.

    Better Field-Analysis - Messi

    Field Analysis isn't only "Awereness" as you bracketed it grossly. Field Analysis and Mindset form an 'art' in football that we call teamplay. I did not add Mindset in my analysis becuase obviously, I can't know what's inside Messi/Ronaldo's head. Still, if we analyses both sense of teamplay, you clearly see Messi is better. Ronaldo makes great runs and effort to position himself. But not only Messi equals Ronaldo in that field, but Messi also knows when and where his teammates are situated than Ronaldo. Ronaldo has a little more individualistic approach. That's the reason, Messi surpasses him in this field. Videos can easily prove it.

    Better Physical Prowess - Ronaldo

    I think, this can easily be seen when you see both player's physical caliber itself.

    Better Control Skills - Messi


    Messi makes very small footsteps for ball control. Yes, this aid him considerably in his dribbling style. But even if I completely neglect the dribbling aspect in this field, that small footsteps of his helps him in control and enables him to quickly link up with passing, dribbling or shooting. Ronaldo's control style is very good but his long legs doesn't enables him to do the type of footsteps Messi does.

    CR7's physique gives him the advantage of having better heading and endurance prowess while the physique of Messi helps him in his control skills.

    Better PK/FK shooter - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo. The guy was a normal PK shooter but little by little, he improve in matches and under the tutelage of Sir Alex. He developed his own PK style and own FK style. Now, he is perfecting it. Messi is good but not up to that level in this field.

    Better 2-footed player - Messi

    Messi uses his left foot more while Ronaldo uses his right foot. But Messi is much better with his right foot than Ronaldo is with his left foot; thus making him more of a 2-footed player. I've been a fan of Ronaldo and scrutinized all his advantages as well as disadvantages thus in his United days mostly and still now, with Madrid.

    Better Defensive Skills - Ronaldo

    He doesn't drop by to help Madrid's defense too much since Madrid is a very offensive team. United's defense was a key part of their game in 2007-2010. When Ronaldo was here, he used to drop into defense rarely but SAF forced him to improve on that path and in his last season, he was exceptional with his defensive. Messi does that very very few. One because his physique doesn't permit him these too much in a match and secondly, since Barca has ball possession too much. In fact, even in Argentina, he does that very few times even if Argentina isn't a team reputed for their possession ball style. Sure, Ronaldo can improve much more in that field but he's better than Messi in that field.

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    i left out the ones we agreed on, now..
    passing, as i said before yes messi is better with his through balls and little flicks but passing also includes crosses which ronaldo is much sperior to messi in...when u take that into consideration it is a tie

    efficiency??? ders no such ability..what ur explaining is composure? messi does not trump ronaldo in that...ronaldo is one of the coolest finishers in the modern game..ur gona base a career based on one tie? and even if u do that how many times did casillas stop messi in 1 on 1 situations

    field analysis - tie
    barca and madrid play two different styles of football, one is not better than the other...yes barca has won more games but try a ref that isnt paid and that too would be more balanced

    ball control - tie
    again..dont confuse urself with dribbling and ball control, go google what ball control really us as oppose to what u think it is

    free kick and penalty kick are two separate traits... so dont jumble them into one b'cuz u ran out of traits for messi

    2nd foot ability- ronaldo scores enough goals with his left foot to prove otherwise..so tie

    u can hav the worlds best defender but if he doesn't do any defensive work doesnt really mean much...yes ronaldy is better with his tackles and stuff but messi drops back more more than ronaldo so tie

    doesn't matter how u look at it ronaldo is better than messi but messi is in a more experienced squad...its not that messi makes barca better, its actuali barca that makes messi better, look at the last game..without xavi n iniesta to pull the strings from midfield dey lose to the likes of osasuna
     
         

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    i left out the ones we agreed on, now..
    passing, as i said before yes messi is better with his through balls and little flicks but passing also includes crosses which ronaldo is much sperior to messi in...when u take that into consideration it is a tie

    efficiency??? ders no such ability..what ur explaining is composure? messi does not trump ronaldo in that...ronaldo is one of the coolest finishers in the modern game..ur gona base a career based on one tie? and even if u do that how many times did casillas stop messi in 1 on 1 situations

    field analysis - tie
    barca and madrid play two different styles of football, one is not better than the other...yes barca has won more games but try a ref that isnt paid and that too would be more balanced

    ball control - tie
    again..dont confuse urself with dribbling and ball control, go google what ball control really us as oppose to what u think it is

    free kick and penalty kick are two separate traits... so dont jumble them into one b'cuz u ran out of traits for messi

    2nd foot ability- ronaldo scores enough goals with his left foot to prove otherwise..so tie

    u can hav the worlds best defender but if he doesn't do any defensive work doesnt really mean much...yes ronaldy is better with his tackles and stuff but messi drops back more more than ronaldo so tie

    doesn't matter how u look at it ronaldo is better than messi but messi is in a more experienced squad...its not that messi makes barca better, its actuali barca that makes messi better, look at the last game..without xavi n iniesta to pull the strings from midfield dey lose to the likes of osasuna
    Both Messi and Ronaldo are more in striking position now and thus both of them crosses much less than what they were doing 2-3 years ago. And both are very good in crossing technique-wise. I prefer Ronaldo's crosses for one reason because he knows when to alternate between powerful and smooth crosses better and in for a defender, it's a real mess to defend against a powerful cross. That doesn't take anything for Messi's crossing ability though. Messi surpass Ronaldo in passing skills thanks to his adaptation in Barca.

    Composure is something. Efficiency is an ability. And Ronaldo is not one of the coolest finisher in the world. He's good but he makes many wrong choices in front of goal too. And it's not only about a Messi v/s Casillas. I'm speaking about all matches and it's recurrant that Messi makes the better decisions he get from his chances. Neither of them is the best finisher right now in my eyes though.

    That doesn't get have anything to do with team style. Every team embodies some kind of teamplay but the best teamplay embodiment is at Barcelona.

    I don't need to google anything. I've seen enough football to know what ball control means - don't know for you though.

    They both are set pieces; thus why I put them in the same category. I could have put Corner kicking in it too but both really takes corners.

    Prove me that the amount of goals that Ronaldo scored with his left foot is nearly the same as the amount Messi put wit his right foot.

    He did do the defensive dip at ManU unlike Messi. So sorry, it's definitely not a tie.

    Btw, there are many factors and traits that I deemed insignificant or no-so-important; it's not that I "ran out of traits" for Messi.

    If I were to choose between CR7 and Messi as a manager though; I'll admit I'll go for Ronaldo though for diverse reasons.

    Frankly, I was hoping you'd prove me wrong with stats and vids ect... but unfortunately, you just seem to neglect my analysis and that's not the type of debate I like. It seems pointless to me. If you deem me wrong - don't state it, prove it - that's what I like in a debate. So please end this discussion if you're not going to do like this.
     
         

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    Re: Ronaldo VS Messi

    Quote Originally Posted by s0ulja View Post
    doesn't matter how u look at it ronaldo is better than messi but messi is in a more experienced squad...its not that messi makes barca better, its actuali barca that makes messi better, look at the last game..without xavi n iniesta to pull the strings from midfield dey lose to the likes of osasuna
    So, Ronaldo didn't have a team with United or Madrid?

    United he had Rooney, Giggs, Scholes, and so forth.

    Madrid he has Ozil, Benzema, Di Maria, Alonso, and so on.

    For people not following about to reach HT and Barcelona scored the first goal thru Sanchez and Messi sets up play VS Bayer Leverkusen.
     
         
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