The power of the Senju Clan explained (Third Hokage prime explained throroughly)

[NinjaHelmer]

This was so great to read, Rep for you big guy!

[Fighter2011]

Sorry to intrude on this matter. As I can see, it's not my place, but If you read like you said you read, you would have understand why he said all or most of those statements........

I know what he said, i was just trying to clarify that the Uchiha are the one with the greatest chakra. I even ***** him. If those are all speculation, then why is he trying to contradict manga facts? I even provided the links...

[Ninpou]

, now, now, where are we getting these conclussions?

The last sentence may not be correct but the rest is, was using logic to tie things together.

[Zaiigoukyou]

First of all, i read everything in your post. Second of all, naruto is an Uzumaki, not a Senju. They may be DISTANT cousins, but they are not the same. Third of all, Naruto's massive chakra is in great part due to the Kyuubi. And last, but not least, we have not seen any Senju in enough action to measure the amount of chakra they have. The manga states that the Uchiha has the greates chakra, you cannot change that fact.

Besides, chakra is the result of both physical and spiritual energy being mixed, my link clearly states that the senju only had exceptional physical energy, they are lacking the spiritual one, which is found in the uchiha.

1) The only reason why Naruto has the Kyuubi is because his Chakra is powerful enough to surpress it. All the jinchinrunkins for the NIne tailed fox have been Uzamakis for a reason. So no that's false regardless if Naruto had the Kyuubi or not he would still have the massive chakra because he's an Uzamaki which is a cousin to the Senju.

2) I'm not changing any fact. Your confusing greatest with biggest. Your missing the key element here..physical stamina is needed to produce Chakra.




Physical energy determines your chakra capacity not spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is used to perform techniques like walking on trees



and running fast(shunshin). It explains why the Uchiha are gifted at performing high level genjutsu and high level ninjutsu.

[Chakra]

dude... none of this is news. way to basically retell the whole manga in your own words....

[Fighter2011]

1) The only reason why Naruto has the Kyuubi is because his Chakra is powerful enough to surpress it. All the jinchinrunkins for the NIne tailed fox have been Uzamaki's for a reason. So no that's false regardless if Naruto had the Kyuubi or not he would still have the massive chakra because he's an Uzamaki which is a cousin to the Senju.

2) I'm not changing any fact. Your confusing greatest with biggest. Your missing the key element here..physical stamina is needed to produce Chakra.


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Physical energy determines your chakra capacity not spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is used to perform techniques like walking on trees and running fast(shunshin). It explains why the Uchiha are gifted at performing high level genjutsu and high level ninjutsu.

Now you are just wrong, both physical energy and spiritual energy are required to make chakra. If you lack one or the other, you wont have much chakra. you dont have Spiritual Chakra and Physical Chakra, rather, they are different kind of energies that need to be combined in order to make Chakra. You need to keep them in balance; that means that if you are lacking one, the other by itself will not be enough to produce a large amount of chakra, nor a little amount of powerful chakra. Sage techniques just add Nature's energy to the molding process.

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/409/11

And i know that Naruto has a very large amount of chakra of his own, but we will never now just how much, because he has the Kyuubi. Besides, what makes you think that Sasuke (just an example) could not supress the Kyuubi's chakra too? I mean, he succesfully supressed Orochimaru, and according to you, he was related to the Senju.

[Honord Sage]

Naruto is not a Senju nor an Uchiha but anUzumaki like Nagato the power of body and eyes seem to go together in an Uzumaki, why? Because their related to both.

[Zaiigoukyou]

Now you are just wrong, both physical energy and spiritual energy are required to make chakra. If you lack one or the other, you wont have much chakra. you dont have Spiritual Chakra and Physical Chakra, rather, they are different kind of energies that need to be combined in order to make Chakra. You need to keep them in balance; that means that if you are lacking one, the other by itself will not be enough to produce a large amount of chakra, nor a little amount of powerful chakra. Sage techniques just add Nature's energy to the molding process.

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/409/11

And i know that Naruto has a very large amount of chakra of his own, but we will never now just how much, because he has the Kyuubi. Besides, what makes you think that Sasuke (just an example) could not supress the Kyuubi's chakra too? I mean, he succesfully supressed Orochimaru, and according to you, he was related to the Senju.

You need spiritual and physical energy to mold a.k.a shape it, structure it , tune it. You need physical energy to actually have chakra in the first place.
The more stamina the more chakra.



"Of course, the energy used for taijustu, ninjutsu and genjutsu is expelled wil disperser. In other words, think of it as 0% stamina 0% chakra means you die. " Quoted from Naruto Manga.

Your comparing naruto surpressing the most powerful entity in existence that aside from the 10 ten tailed beast, that has limitless chakra; to a possible descendant of the senju clan who were descendants of the elder's son who only inherited parts of his powers? It's kind of silly man.

It was specifically said in the manga that Uzamaki's were best suited for carrying the Nine tailed fox.

[MasterofSenjutsu]

You need spiritual and physical energy to mold a.k.a shape it, structure it , tune it. You need physical energy to actually have chakra in the first place

Agreed. Spiritual energy helps you make it better. Physical energy would be the amount of chakra, refined or not. I imagine chakra to equal stamina. And the more physical energy you have, the better your stamina is. So, physical energy=stamina=chakra.

[edwinvdh]

nice talking butta at the end you say tobi gave him the rinnegan but if u read narutopedia it's still that he awakened himself as a child. correct me if i'm mistaken but tobi lied more then once such as that he was madara wich he wasn't..

[Zaiigoukyou]

nice talking butta at the end you say tobi gave him the rinnegan but if u read narutopedia it's still that he awakened himself as a child. correct me if i'm mistaken but tobi lied more then once such as that he was madara wich he wasn't..

Sharingan >> MS Sharingan >> EMS >> Rinnegan. (which makes me believe him on this point)
The prerequistes are not undisputed but I'm pretty sure Tobi pulled a few strings. Of course I could be wrong but right now he's rolling around with a sharingana and rinnegan leaving me to believe he could have potentially awakened the rinnegan or had someone else awaken it for him and he stole and gave it to nagato.

Narutopedia is a little inaccurate as well.

[Zaiigoukyou]

Nice thread. One question, what makes you think Oro and Jiraiya were descendants of the SO6P?
Also, the Senju's life giving power isn't nature related, it is Yang related which is used for vitality (such as Tsunade's Yin seal). Which is what they inherited from the SO6P whilst the Uchiha inherited the Yin from him which is why they are so proficient in genjutsu. Minato sealed the Yang half of the Kyuubi inside Naruto so after he gained control of the large amount, it gave off the cloak similar to the younger son's. I agree, the Senju would have had large amounts of chakra.

I really have no solid evidence that the Sannin are in fact descendants of the senju but its strongly hinted that this will of fire they strongly inherited may actually be the rikodous will. If they strongly inherited the will then they strongly inherited other things such as tremendous physical stamina and bodies. Each sannin also posses high chakra taxing abilities and physically powerful jutsus that are beyond that of average ninja however none of them have bloodlines or do we think?

The only ninjas who overpower the sannin smash mouth style not from Konoha naturally would be the raikages.

http://chineseculture.about.com/cs/r.../aayinyang.htm
Also
"Yin and yang are opposite in nature, but they are part of nature, they rely on each other,"

[Sethic]

Dude, nice read!! Both the Senju clan and Uchiha clan have larger charka pools with the Senju clan being yang based charka and Uchiha being yin based charka. Look at what both are good at you can see the difference. Senju put life into their Ninjutsu to make it a physical force. Uchiha are good at yin based charka technique like genjutsu, because of their strong Spiritual energy.

[Zaiigoukyou]

This was so great to read, Rep for you big guy!

Very long read ill give you an A for effort.

Your points with Orochimaru seems strong facts.
I think you are right in all of this and I really enjoy reading a works like this *****.

Thanks guys.

[TheOriginal]

Nice observation and thinking.

[iSpeak]

I really have no solid evidence that the Sannin are in fact descendants of the senju but its strongly hinted that this will of fire they strongly inherited may actually be the rikodous will. If they strongly inherited the will then they strongly inherited other things such as tremendous physical stamina and bodies. Each sannin also posses high chakra taxing abilities and physically powerful jutsus that are beyond that of average ninja however none of them have bloodlines or do we think?

The only ninjas who overpower the sannin smash mouth style not from Konoha naturally would be the raikages.

Will of fire is just a belief/way of living, most of Konoha follow it. It would have been mentioned by no if either or both of them were Senju. They were probably just born with a lot of chakra, like Kisame.

http://chineseculture.about.com/cs/r.../aayinyang.htm
Also
"Yin and yang are opposite in nature, but they are part of nature, they rely on each other,"

They don't mean Nature as in "tress and environment", the mean nature as in the qualities and identity of something. Which is why they talk about male/female and passive and active etc.
There are many Yin techs (such as Choji's multi size tech) which have nothing to do with Nature and there are Yang techs (such as medical ninjutsu) which have nothing to do with Nature.

[Zaiigoukyou]

Will of fire is just a belief/way of living, most of Konoha follow it. It would have been mentioned by no if either or both of them were Senju. They were probably just born with a lot of chakra, like Kisame.



They don't mean Nature as in "tress and environment", the mean nature as in the qualities and identity of something. Which is why they talk about male/female and passive and active etc.
There are many Yin techs (such as Choji's multi size tech) which have nothing to do with Nature and there are Yang techs (such as medical ninjutsu) which have nothing to do with Nature.

Another definition of Nature

the universe, with all its phenomena.


Nature is life. It's why we have human nature or why we say when a snake bites you when you put your hand in its mouth its in its nature.

Yin and Yang are apart of that nature. One representing good one representing evil. You can't have one without the other. Yin and yang apply to nature.

Nature isn't only about a garden, birds chirping or plant life. It's life in general. Plants are simply used as a representation of nature because they represent life in its puriest form.


One last definition from dictionary.com
Nature
the whole system of the existence, arrangement, forces, and events of all physical life that are not controlled by man


Part of my theory is that the senju inherited nature like powers from the rikodou sennin but you could literally say they inherited more life which would explain why the Uzamakis lived so long.


Nature is just another word for life. It has a very broad definition.

[CherryBlossom Genjutsu]

dude... none of this is news. way to basically retell the whole manga in your own words....

well apparently this thread was needed for some people as you can see many people responded and found this tidbit as news to them. #dumbasses :drunk:

[iSpeak]

Another definition of Nature

the universe, with all its phenomena.


Nature is life. It's why we have human nature or why we say when a snake bites you when you put your hand in its mouth its in its nature.

Yin and Yang are apart of that nature. One representing good one representing evil. You can't have one without the other. Yin and yang apply to nature.

Nature isn't only about a garden, birds chirping or plant life. It's life in general. Plants are simply used as a representation of nature because they represent life in its puriest form.


One last definition from dictionary.com
Nature
the whole system of the existence, arrangement, forces, and events of all physical life that are not controlled by man


Part of my theory is that the senju inherited nature like powers from the rikodou sennin but you could literally say they inherited more life which would explain why the Uzamakis lived so long.


Nature is just another word for life. It has a very broad definition.

Yeh, that is what I was trying to say. If you meant that before then my bad, the way you was talking about Hashirama/Yamato and when you said "their power is Nature related" I thought that is what you meant.

[Easyfathom]

OMG!! Loved the bit about the "Pure" Kyuubi :DD Thought it was en-genius

[Zaiigoukyou]

Now you are just wrong, both physical energy and spiritual energy are required to make chakra. If you lack one or the other, you wont have much chakra. you dont have Spiritual Chakra and Physical Chakra, rather, they are different kind of energies that need to be combined in order to make Chakra. You need to keep them in balance; that means that if you are lacking one, the other by itself will not be enough to produce a large amount of chakra, nor a little amount of powerful chakra. Sage techniques just add Nature's energy to the molding process.

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/409/11

And i know that Naruto has a very large amount of chakra of his own, but we will never now just how much, because he has the Kyuubi. Besides, what makes you think that Sasuke (just an example) could not supress the Kyuubi's chakra too? I mean, he succesfully supressed Orochimaru, and according to you, he was related to the Senju.

Not to beat you down but its because of the Uchiha's powerful chakra that they can use the sharingan without fating the second they activate it.

This is what they meant by their "unparellel chakra."

Kakashi has to have his 1 sharingan covered up in order to conserve his chakra.

Since the uchiha have such powerful spiritual energy they feel nothing when they activate their sharingan.

It's also the reason why Kakashi gets winded after using his MS once or twice.

what makes the Uchiha so powerful....is their ability to use their powerful eyes and still be able to use formidabble jutsu.

Senju were the 50 Calibur Machine guns
Uchiha were the 50 calibur sniper guns with inf ere red scopes on it.

The other clans were pocket knives.

[JWSoul]

Fantastic post really is. Wow :overjoy:

It really kind of nails a lot of things down. To the people saying its to long to read get a grip lol!

[x9lb babynaruto]

i hate to be that guy but you have WAYYYY too much time on your hands

[Zaiigoukyou]

How long did it take you to do that?

9 hours. lol mostly editing and its still not done.

[Zaiigoukyou]

i hate to be that guy but you have WAYYYY too much time on your hands

Not really today was an exception.