What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

[yuan of cruxis]

ok then... minato defeats a shinobi in itachis league , while protecting the whole village from the nine tails , saves his son and seals kurama

sarutobi: loses to oro , and old age shouldnt make a difference apart from less chakra and less mobile

hashirama:defeated kurama and madara at once , so him and minato have muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch higher feats than hiruzen , so i cannot agree with anything you say until then

1st of all Minato did not defeat Tobi
He hit him with a Rasengan then Tobi got back up
And he released Kurama
That sir was only a sparr
And Kurama pretty much killed Minato fyi
As he was impaled by his claw

And old age=Less chakra to use moves effeinciently less agility less stamina
So he had to plan his moves against 3 people

And just cause someone didnt do what someone else did doesnt make them weaker

Thats like saying Izuna cant control Kurama either only Madara

[Kratos of cruxis]

if that would be true, where was hiruzen when the kyubii (with masked man)
atacked konoha ? :D

If im remembering correctly ***** slapping kurama with enma staff

[Kratos of cruxis]

I cant see him beating hashirama based on what he did on the show its not enough to counter the wood style

[yuan of cruxis]

who would win a man who knows 1k E rank techniques or a man who knows 10 B rank techniques?

It depends
If the guy with E rank jutsus are skilled with them and could combine them if necessary

[yuan of cruxis]

I cant see him beating hashirama based on what he did on the show its not enough to counter the wood style

Kratos you of the 4 seraphim out of all people should know Hiruzen in prime is top
Enma broke through his wood release

[yuan of cruxis]

That's the only God of Shinobi I know.

You pray to him?

[rinnemaki]

1st of all Minato did not defeat Tobi
He hit him with a Rasengan then Tobi got back up
And he released Kurama
That sir was only a sparr
And Kurama pretty much killed Minato fyi
As he was impaled by his claw

And old age=Less chakra to use moves effeinciently less agility less stamina
So he had to plan his moves against 3 people

And just cause someone didnt do what someone else did doesnt make them weaker

Thats like saying Izuna cant control Kurama either only Madara

what do you call this:
?
if thats not winning then i dunno what is
and no the sealing jutsu killed minato , he helped save his son by an almost suicidal act meaning he died willingly
hiruzen with 1k of lesser B rank or lowere jutsu would lose to minato by using just FTG and rasengan along with the space barrier

[rinnemaki]

It depends
If the guy with E rank jutsus are skilled with them and could combine them if necessary

so nagato vs udon with 1k techniques 1 shinra tensei isnt enough? udon using 1k years of death will kill nagato? LMFAO your terrible

[Cookie..]

dude read the manga... its obvious hashirama and minato could solo 2 hiruzens

No it's not possible. Hiruzen took down 1st and 2nd at the same time. and did a deal on oro.

Minato is the greatest Hokage that's carved on the mountain. We have never seen any ninja that 's better then him.

I'm a guy that's seeing thing in the middle, according to what facts are given.

[Naruto9001]

I dont see why people cant just accept Hashirama being the strongest ninja ever Madara even said it himself, besides the statement with Hiruzen was made way back in part 1 probadly before kishi even thought about the story of the uchiha and senju.

[Kratos of cruxis]

No it's not possible. Hiruzen took down 1st and 2nd at the same time. and did a deal on oro.

Minato is the greatest Hokage that's carved on the mountain. We have never seen any ninja that 's better then him.

I'm a guy that's seeing thing in the middle, according to what facts are given.

Um what? Hashirama fought kurama and madara at the same time minato couldnt even fight kurama on equal ground

[yuan of cruxis]

I dont see why people cant just accept Hashirama being the strongest ninja ever Madara even said it himself, besides the statement with Hiruzen was made way back in part 1 probadly before kishi even thought about the story of the uchiha and senju.

Hiruzen strongest Hokage hands down

[yuan of cruxis]

so nagato vs udon with 1k techniques 1 shinra tensei isnt enough? udon using 1k years of death will kill nagato? LMFAO your terrible

Just using Shinra tensei cant kill someone it only repels
The force could most likely kill an infant though

Oh yeah and Tobi that that rasengan and got back up
Sparr like i said
Tobi didnt begin to use his abilities that we know he should have

[AnimeTube7]

this is how i view the strongest to weakest hokage.. 1) Hashirama 2) Minato 3) Tobimaru 4) Hiruzen 5) Tsunade

[minatoisagod]

dude i want to back this statement but the recent showings of the 1st just make it so hard sigh, but hey he still did beat them in part one.

[jruiz]

If you read the manga you'll realize one common theme regarding those summoned by Edo Tensei. They're all weaker than they were when alive. For example, Chouji and his cohorts beating Kakuzu. No way that would've happened if he wasn't a Edo summon. So saying Sarutobi is stronger than Harashirama because he beat Oro's Edo summon of him is an unfair conclusion.

[yuan of cruxis]

If you read the manga you'll realize one common theme regarding those summoned by Edo Tensei. They're all weaker than they were when alive. For example, Chouji and his cohorts beating Kakuzu. No way that would've happened if he wasn't a Edo summon. So saying Sarutobi is stronger than Harashirama because he beat Oro's Edo summon of him is an unfair conclusion.

He still prove hes the best

[jruiz]

Please fill in the blank

He still prove hes the best because___________

[Sasuke4115]

[AntMan]

[Zanu]

i have research this and the actual quote is that he was named god of shinobi for his knowledge and mastery of ninjutsu because he knew over a thousand and jiraya said jutsu dont make you the strongest .... ight go read things over and then make a proper argument

Rep up for this post, remember this beaing the reason for the nickname aswell.

But i still hold Hiruzen high. I mean he did survive a battle with the 1st and 2nd hokages (at his old age), but if im not misstaken orochimarus Edo was not effective/strong as the current 1 kabuto is using. But (alot of buts here) Harishima was and is in my humble opinion the strongest of the Hokages, for now.

looking at Naruto and what the beasts have said, i belive that he is or will become the new SO6P or something greater maybe

He could subdue Bijuus( or was it just the the ninetails..not sure). Use advanced healing jutsu and his moktun kg was and is unrivald and probably some heavy duty sealing techs id believe.

[SPOILER]Not sure if the moktun manifest stonger atm in Madara? seeing as hes in hes peak plus he has harishima cells and all that shiz[/SPOILER

1.Harishima
2.Minato
3.Tobirama or Hiruzen ( i know very littly about Tobirama other then a strong seituon user and brother to the 1st.)
4. Tsunade/Danzo. Imo Danzo was a tad more dangourus in 1 way then Tsunade.
But after this

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/577/2

i think she might pass him or atleast be tied.
Right massive rant over.

Again this is just my opinions and ways of looking at things.

Peace

[NLee]

Mr.Sarutobi in his prime is indeed the strongest Hokage
The info is out there stating that he surpassed his mentors and is god of shinobi

No amount of warping, wood, or water should take him down

And only reason Madara claiming Harashirama is the strongest is cause he never witnessed Sarutobi's power

I would have gone with either Minato or Hiruzen as the strongest Hokages because prior to the recent chapters we had no basis to compare Hashirama's strength. But lately Kishi has been strongly pushing the fact that Hashirama was in a league of his own, literally speaking.

As for Hiruzen "surpassing" his mentors, to surpass someone doesn't necessarily mean you're stronger than them. The word "surpass" has been used several times thus far in the manga.
-Kakashi said Naruto surpassed him while they were training Naruto's Wind element.
Does this mean Naruto could have defeated Kakashi in an actual battle back then? Absolutely not.
-Fukasaku said Naruto surpassed both Jiraiya and Minato after Naruto mastered Sage Mode and arrived to Konoha's invasion.
Does this mean Naruto could have defeated Jiraiya and Minato back then? No way.


It doesn't matter if Hiruzen was entitled as "the God of Shinobi". I now stand behind the fact that Hashirama was the strongest Hokage out of the total 5.

Kabuto, Dan, and even Madara have been talking about how strong Hashirama is in the decent few chapters. If this isn't Kishi trying to convey how powerful Hashirama was, then I don't know what is.

[OWanime]

all we've seen/ hear about is hashi's prime so we have to see hiruzen's but even kishi said he's the strongest

[Ender Wiggin]

Because he's not

[aashish1996]

wtf??? Since when did everything that was told in the manga become true??? Even when Kishi has been putting so much emphasis on Hashirama being the strongest, by far, you still want to say that Hiruzen is the strongest?? You are persistent, I will give you that.