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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by yuan of cruxis View Post
    Minato was never stated as the stongest Hokage(As Fastest)
    Get of his Johnson
    Minato is not even the 2nd stongest
    ok then... minato defeats a shinobi in itachis league , while protecting the whole village from the nine tails , saves his son and seals kurama

    sarutobi: loses to oro , and old age shouldnt make a difference apart from less chakra and less mobile

    hashirama:defeated kurama and madara at once , so him and minato have muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch higher feats than hiruzen , so i cannot agree with anything you say until then
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by Raito View Post
    Kabuto would mention, if Hiruzen would be even stronger than Hashirama. Hiruzen isn't the god of Shinobis, only Iruka said it and I strongly suspect that he has no idea about history, Hashirama and his strength. EMS Madara fought with him in a fight to death and lost. Based on Hiruzens known abilitys, he would not stand a chance against Hashirama.

    Hiruzen was egual to Orochimaru. A younger age would give him more endurance and speed but not better abilities. With all due respect but Hiruzens techniques aren't comparable to overwhelming abilities like the Mokuton, (E)MS or Rinnegan.
    If Orochimaru was equal to an old Hiruzen why did he need the help of the Senju Brothers
    You speak utter nonsense
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by Yondaime Namikaze View Post
    i have research this and the actual quote is that he was named god of shinobi for his knowledge and mastery of ninjutsu because he knew over a thousand and jiraya said jutsu dont make you the strongest .... ight go read things over and then make a proper argument :scorps:
    Actually when Jaraiya said that about jutsus he was referring to Orochimarus Forbidden ones
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by yuan of cruxis View Post
    Actually when Jaraiya said that about jutsus he was referring to Orochimarus Forbidden ones
    who would win a man who knows 1k E rank techniques or a man who knows 10 B rank techniques?
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by yuan of cruxis View Post
    Actually when Jaraiya said that about jutsus he was referring to Orochimarus Forbidden ones
    i know but its also applicable to all jutsu because oro was into all jutsu not just the forbidden ones
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by rinnemaki View Post
    ok then... minato defeats a shinobi in itachis league , while protecting the whole village from the nine tails , saves his son and seals kurama

    sarutobi: loses to oro , and old age shouldnt make a difference apart from less chakra and less mobile

    hashirama:defeated kurama and madara at once , so him and minato have muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch higher feats than hiruzen , so i cannot agree with anything you say until then
    1st of all Minato did not defeat Tobi
    He hit him with a Rasengan then Tobi got back up
    And he released Kurama
    That sir was only a sparr
    And Kurama pretty much killed Minato fyi
    As he was impaled by his claw

    And old age=Less chakra to use moves effeinciently less agility less stamina
    So he had to plan his moves against 3 people

    And just cause someone didnt do what someone else did doesnt make them weaker

    Thats like saying Izuna cant control Kurama either only Madara
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by Killeya View Post
    if that would be true, where was hiruzen when the kyubii (with masked man)
    atacked konoha ? :D
    If im remembering correctly ***** slapping kurama with enma staff
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    I cant see him beating hashirama based on what he did on the show its not enough to counter the wood style
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by rinnemaki View Post
    who would win a man who knows 1k E rank techniques or a man who knows 10 B rank techniques?
    It depends
    If the guy with E rank jutsus are skilled with them and could combine them if necessary
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos of cruxis View Post
    I cant see him beating hashirama based on what he did on the show its not enough to counter the wood style
    Kratos you of the 4 seraphim out of all people should know Hiruzen in prime is top
    Enma broke through his wood release
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by Yo pappy View Post
    That's the only God of Shinobi I know.
    You pray to him?
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by yuan of cruxis View Post
    1st of all Minato did not defeat Tobi
    He hit him with a Rasengan then Tobi got back up
    And he released Kurama
    That sir was only a sparr
    And Kurama pretty much killed Minato fyi
    As he was impaled by his claw

    And old age=Less chakra to use moves effeinciently less agility less stamina
    So he had to plan his moves against 3 people

    And just cause someone didnt do what someone else did doesnt make them weaker

    Thats like saying Izuna cant control Kurama either only Madara
    what do you call this:
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    if thats not winning then i dunno what is
    and no the sealing jutsu killed minato , he helped save his son by an almost suicidal act meaning he died willingly
    hiruzen with 1k of lesser B rank or lowere jutsu would lose to minato by using just FTG and rasengan along with the space barrier
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by yuan of cruxis View Post
    It depends
    If the guy with E rank jutsus are skilled with them and could combine them if necessary
    so nagato vs udon with 1k techniques 1 shinra tensei isnt enough? udon using 1k years of death will kill nagato? LMFAO your terrible
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by rinnemaki View Post
    dude read the manga... its obvious hashirama and minato could solo 2 hiruzens
    No it's not possible. Hiruzen took down 1st and 2nd at the same time. and did a deal on oro.

    Minato is the greatest Hokage that's carved on the mountain. We have never seen any ninja that 's better then him.

    I'm a guy that's seeing thing in the middle, according to what facts are given.
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    I dont see why people cant just accept Hashirama being the strongest ninja ever Madara even said it himself, besides the statement with Hiruzen was made way back in part 1 probadly before kishi even thought about the story of the uchiha and senju.
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by ~CoOkie Monster~ View Post
    No it's not possible. Hiruzen took down 1st and 2nd at the same time. and did a deal on oro.

    Minato is the greatest Hokage that's carved on the mountain. We have never seen any ninja that 's better then him.

    I'm a guy that's seeing thing in the middle, according to what facts are given.
    Um what? Hashirama fought kurama and madara at the same time minato couldnt even fight kurama on equal ground
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto9001 View Post
    I dont see why people cant just accept Hashirama being the strongest ninja ever Madara even said it himself, besides the statement with Hiruzen was made way back in part 1 probadly before kishi even thought about the story of the uchiha and senju.
    Hiruzen strongest Hokage hands down
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by rinnemaki View Post
    so nagato vs udon with 1k techniques 1 shinra tensei isnt enough? udon using 1k years of death will kill nagato? LMFAO your terrible
    Just using Shinra tensei cant kill someone it only repels
    The force could most likely kill an infant though

    Oh yeah and Tobi that that rasengan and got back up
    Sparr like i said
    Tobi didnt begin to use his abilities that we know he should have
     
         
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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    this is how i view the strongest to weakest hokage.. 1) Hashirama 2) Minato 3) Tobimaru 4) Hiruzen 5) Tsunade
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    dude i want to back this statement but the recent showings of the 1st just make it so hard sigh, but hey he still did beat them in part one.
     
         

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