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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    If you read the manga you'll realize one common theme regarding those summoned by Edo Tensei. They're all weaker than they were when alive. For example, Chouji and his cohorts beating Kakuzu. No way that would've happened if he wasn't a Edo summon. So saying Sarutobi is stronger than Harashirama because he beat Oro's Edo summon of him is an unfair conclusion.
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by jruiz View Post
    If you read the manga you'll realize one common theme regarding those summoned by Edo Tensei. They're all weaker than they were when alive. For example, Chouji and his cohorts beating Kakuzu. No way that would've happened if he wasn't a Edo summon. So saying Sarutobi is stronger than Harashirama because he beat Oro's Edo summon of him is an unfair conclusion.
    He still prove hes the best
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

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    He still prove hes the best because___________
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by Yondaime Namikaze View Post
    i have research this and the actual quote is that he was named god of shinobi for his knowledge and mastery of ninjutsu because he knew over a thousand and jiraya said jutsu dont make you the strongest .... ight go read things over and then make a proper argument :scorps:
    Rep up for this post, remember this beaing the reason for the nickname aswell.

    But i still hold Hiruzen high. I mean he did survive a battle with the 1st and 2nd hokages (at his old age), but if im not misstaken orochimarus Edo was not effective/strong as the current 1 kabuto is using. But (alot of buts here) Harishima was and is in my humble opinion the strongest of the Hokages, for now.
    looking at Naruto and what the beasts have said, i belive that he is or will become the new SO6P or something greater maybe:scorps:

    He could subdue Bijuus( or was it just the the ninetails..not sure). Use advanced healing jutsu and his moktun kg was and is unrivald and probably some heavy duty sealing techs id believe.

    [SPOILER]Not sure if the moktun manifest stonger atm in Madara? seeing as hes in hes peak plus he has harishima cells and all that shiz[/SPOILER

    1.Harishima
    2.Minato
    3.Tobirama or Hiruzen ( i know very littly about Tobirama other then a strong seituon user and brother to the 1st.)
    4. Tsunade/Danzo. Imo Danzo was a tad more dangourus in 1 way then Tsunade.
    But after this
    i think she might pass him or atleast be tied.
    Right massive rant over.

    Again this is just my opinions and ways of looking at things.

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by yuan of cruxis View Post
    Mr.Sarutobi in his prime is indeed the strongest Hokage
    The info is out there stating that he surpassed his mentors and is god of shinobi

    No amount of warping, wood, or water should take him down

    And only reason Madara claiming Harashirama is the strongest is cause he never witnessed Sarutobi's power
    I would have gone with either Minato or Hiruzen as the strongest Hokages because prior to the recent chapters we had no basis to compare Hashirama's strength. But lately Kishi has been strongly pushing the fact that Hashirama was in a league of his own, literally speaking.

    As for Hiruzen "surpassing" his mentors, to surpass someone doesn't necessarily mean you're stronger than them. The word "surpass" has been used several times thus far in the manga.
    -Kakashi said Naruto surpassed him while they were training Naruto's Wind element.
    Does this mean Naruto could have defeated Kakashi in an actual battle back then? Absolutely not.
    -Fukasaku said Naruto surpassed both Jiraiya and Minato after Naruto mastered Sage Mode and arrived to Konoha's invasion.
    Does this mean Naruto could have defeated Jiraiya and Minato back then? No way.


    It doesn't matter if Hiruzen was entitled as "the God of Shinobi". I now stand behind the fact that Hashirama was the strongest Hokage out of the total 5.

    Kabuto, Dan, and even Madara have been talking about how strong Hashirama is in the decent few chapters. If this isn't Kishi trying to convey how powerful Hashirama was, then I don't know what is.
     
         
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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    all we've seen/ hear about is hashi's prime so we have to see hiruzen's but even kishi said he's the strongest
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Because he's not
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    wtf??? Since when did everything that was told in the manga become true??? Even when Kishi has been putting so much emphasis on Hashirama being the strongest, by far, you still want to say that Hiruzen is the strongest?? You are persistent, I will give you that.
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    True!
     
         
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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Sarutobi being able to handle the 1st, 2nd and Orochimaru while being confined in a space by the sound 4 is a testament to how powerful he was. Hiruzen also had keen senses, being able to track down the former Hokage under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique. Enma commented on his battle with Orochimaru, saying that it was miserable compared to his prime, even though he had clearly been able to hold his own against Orochimaru and two former Hokage without losing his composure. He still had the skill and agility to place explosive tags on both the first and second hokage's legs at the same time. Knowing all the techniques of Konoha hes probably developed defences against them. Even in his old age, his chakra was noted for being very strong, causing a dense effect on the atmosphere when released furthermore, he was known for having immense reserves of chakra in his youth. People might say a person like Itachi would get him in a genjutsu. The 3rd being a student of the 1st and 2nd probably taught him how to counter the many Sharingan techniques. Hiruzen was also called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha. He was admired as The God Of Shinobi and Only him and the Sage Of Six Paths share the nick name God Of Shinobi

    He was old and had very little chakra while fighting Orochimaru. One of the Anbu members mentioned that his primary fighting style was to fight with Shadow Clone just like Naruto but he had to reserve his chakra so he only brought 2. Using Rasengan or Chidori would have drained his chakra too much. It wouldn't be a smart thing to do. The only way was to seal both the Hokages. He was able to counter Tobirama and Hashirama in close combat, despite them being in their prime in the Summoning Impure World Reincarnation. Even when robbed of his sight from the genjutsu Bringer-of-Darkness Technique, he could still defend himself from Hashirama's and Tobirama's assaults, blocking all their attacks to prepare for his Dead Demon Consuming Seal. After summoning Enma, he could break Hashirama's Wood Release branches with ease. Even when someone as powerful as Danzo was dying he admitted that Hiruzen Sarutobi was steps ahead of him still.
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    if thats true then explain to me how an old hiruzen who was way weaker than his prime blew up a prime 1st and 2nd hokage?
    if the senjus werent edo summons at that time they would have probably died from that.
    and they still got captured and sealed by 3rd anyway.
     
         

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    Re: What dont people understand about Hiruzen Sarutobi(prime)>all other Hokages

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Partly true but the hype around hashirama is too great, ever since we have gotten to know his abilities.

    Maybe if we get to see what sarutobi can do will we change our minds but for now, hashirama is the strongest, followed by hiruzen
    true indeed... we never get to see the 3rd figthing on his prime...
     
         

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