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[Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
*Arrives with a jar full of cookies*
Jane: It appears to look like cookies...or is it a genjutsu 
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Thanks again for training me.
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by ~CoOkie Monster~
*Arrives with a jar full of cookies*
Jane: It appears to look like cookies...or is it a genjutsu
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Thanks again for training me.
NP! ^^
Lets start and hope i'm not rusty at this ^^
Tell me in your own words what you understand of the following:
Ninja
Chakra
Ninjutsu
Elemental Ninjutsu
Taijutsu
Genjutsu
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by Scorps
NP! ^^
Lets start and hope i'm not rusty at this ^^
Tell me in your own words what you understand of the following:
Ninja
Chakra
Ninjutsu
Elemental Ninjutsu
Taijutsu
Genjutsu
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Jane: Let's do this sensei
*Pops out chart and a stick and starts chanting*
Ninjas. They are what we are. It is the main occupation. Ninjas bring income through jobs which the village required. These ranged from D-rank to Super Secret S-rank Missions. Ninjas often fight each other using their unique or universal techniques. Many Ninjas have there own specific roles and responsibilities.
Chakra. This is a type of energy source we rely on during fights. All our techniques we use during a battle consumes chakra. This is inside us. It is like a flowing source of energy in which runs through our system. Only people like us sensei, Hyuga family, can see this chakra inside a person, using our lovely Byakugan. Sharingan may also see chakra around in the atmosphere, however not as much as we can. Chakra can also be manipulated in to elements.
Ninjutsu. These are the techniques we use that consume our chakra reserve. Through shape manipulation, new techniques were evolved and came about. There are 3 types of ninjutsu. Offensive, Defensive, and Supplementary. Each with their own pros and cons.
Elemental Ninjutsu. These are Advanced ninjutsu. These are normal ninjutsu, but added with spice. The spice being a type of elemental chakra. This increases the strength and usefulness of the technique, however, it also gives a technique a weakness to the corresponding element.
Taijutsu. This is straight hand-to-hand combat. This is completely physical and contact. The majority of the techniques don't require chakra to use but some techniques release chakra to enhance the strength (EIG).
Genjutsu. This is illusionary arts. The user will inject chakra in to a targets chakra system and disrupt it. Through disrupting a target's chakra the user can create illusions such as the target seeing butterflies while in actual reality it is paper bombs. Genjutsu can be broken by either causing enough pain to the body to snap out of it. Or having another person interrupt by injecting their chakra.
*Jane wipes his forehead from the sweat of his presentation and takes a cookie*
Jane: Sensei, just a few questions. First, what would happen if 2 ninjas performed a genjutsu on 1 target. Would the clash result in nothing? Would they cancel each other out? Another question is, can we see through our own chakra system and can we disturb our own chakra network to kick out of genjutsu?
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by ~CoOkie Monster~
Jane: Let's do this sensei
*Pops out chart and a stick and starts chanting*
Ninjas. They are what we are. It is the main occupation. Ninjas bring income through jobs which the village required. These ranged from D-rank to Super Secret S-rank Missions. Ninjas often fight each other using their unique or universal techniques. Many Ninjas have there own specific roles and responsibilities.
Chakra. This is a type of energy source we rely on during fights. All our techniques we use during a battle consumes chakra. This is inside us. It is like a flowing source of energy in which runs through our system. Only people like us sensei, Hyuga family, can see this chakra inside a person, using our lovely Byakugan. Sharingan may also see chakra around in the atmosphere, however not as much as we can. Chakra can also be manipulated in to elements.
Ninjutsu. These are the techniques we use that consume our chakra reserve. Through shape manipulation, new techniques were evolved and came about. There are 3 types of ninjutsu. Offensive, Defensive, and Supplementary. Each with their own pros and cons.
Elemental Ninjutsu. These are Advanced ninjutsu. These are normal ninjutsu, but added with spice. The spice being a type of elemental chakra. This increases the strength and usefulness of the technique, however, it also gives a technique a weakness to the corresponding element.
Taijutsu. This is straight hand-to-hand combat. This is completely physical and contact. The majority of the techniques don't require chakra to use but some techniques release chakra to enhance the strength (EIG).
Genjutsu. This is illusionary arts. The user will inject chakra in to a targets chakra system and disrupt it. Through disrupting a target's chakra the user can create illusions such as the target seeing butterflies while in actual reality it is paper bombs. Genjutsu can be broken by either causing enough pain to the body to snap out of it. Or having another person interrupt by injecting their chakra.
*Jane wipes his forehead from the sweat of his presentation and takes a cookie*
Jane: Sensei, just a few questions. First, what would happen if 2 ninjas performed a genjutsu on 1 target. Would the clash result in nothing? Would they cancel each other out? Another question is, can we see through our own chakra system and can we disturb our own chakra network to kick out of genjutsu?
Good but i need to add some things ^^
Ninja: in the most simplest of forms a Ninja is someone that fights for their beliefs with all of their skill and power. Fighting isn't to be taken as literally fighting. A Nurse or Medic in a war zone doesn't stop being a Ninja while he is tending to wounds and injuries on his fellow man. A Ninja is anyone who will use his skills to accomplish a given set of objectives within their beliefs. Its true that most are fighters but not all are. And sometimes the ones that aren't are actually the more important ones.
Chakra: is the combination that ocurrs passively of both Spiritual and Physical energies. Its as you said, our life source...of sorts ^^
Ninjutsu: it envolves shape manipulation (giving your chakra form) and nature manipulation (giving your chakra characteristics and nature).
Now, Genjutsu or illusionary arts, are techniques in which you can (or not) use your chakra through hand seals (or not) to influence your opponents chakra flow in order to make him experience illusions. These can vary in effect but all illusions are based around the basic 5 senses: taste, vision, hearing, touch and smell. The most powerful genjtusu generally affect more than one sense at a time. The damage a Genjutsu does comes from the strain the illusion does on the opponents body and not from any actual physical damage. For example., you can make your opponent feel pain as if his leg was cut of but his leg will still be there unaffected.
With me so far?
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by Scorps
Good but i need to add some things ^^
Ninja: in the most simplest of forms a Ninja is someone that fights for their beliefs with all of their skill and power. Fighting isn't to be taken as literally fighting. A Nurse or Medic in a war zone doesn't stop being a Ninja while he is tending to wounds and injuries on his fellow man. A Ninja is anyone who will use his skills to accomplish a given set of objectives within their beliefs. Its true that most are fighters but not all are. And sometimes the ones that aren't are actually the more important ones.
Chakra: is the combination that ocurrs passively of both Spiritual and Physical energies. Its as you said, our life source...of sorts ^^
Ninjutsu: it envolves shape manipulation (giving your chakra form) and nature manipulation (giving your chakra characteristics and nature).
Now, Genjutsu or illusionary arts, are techniques in which you can (or not) use your chakra through hand seals (or not) to influence your opponents chakra flow in order to make him experience illusions. These can vary in effect but all illusions are based around the basic 5 senses: taste, vision, hearing, touch and smell. The most powerful genjtusu generally affect more than one sense at a time. The damage a Genjutsu does comes from the strain the illusion does on the opponents body and not from any actual physical damage. For example., you can make your opponent feel pain as if his leg was cut of but his leg will still be there unaffected.
With me so far?

Yes sensei!
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
Cool! Now, face my clone *makes clone* and try to insert your chakra into him to manipulate his senses by disturbing his chakra flow, making him see a wall in front of him ^^
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by Scorps
Cool! Now, face my clone *makes clone* and try to insert your chakra into him to manipulate his senses by disturbing his chakra flow, making him see a wall in front of him ^^
I stand in front of your clone. I then quickly take 3 breaths as I clear my mind of all possible distractions. I start to concentrate on my chakra flow as well as your clones. Without using my Byakugan, I start to manipulate my chakra to flow from my body...I keep controlling it until it hits your clone. I then inject my flowing chakra in to your clone as I manipulate my chakra further to enter the clones occipital lobe. When my chakra reaches the back of the clones brain, I begin to visualize a brick wall in my mind. As I'm visualizing the wall, I use my chakra to cause the clone to start to see the brick wall in front of it hoping my illusion worked
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by ~CoOkie Monster~
I stand in front of your clone. I then quickly take 3 breaths as I clear my mind of all possible distractions. I start to concentrate on my chakra flow as well as your clones. Without using my Byakugan, I start to manipulate my chakra to flow from my body...I keep controlling it until it hits your clone. I then inject my flowing chakra in to your clone as I manipulate my chakra further to enter the clones occipital lobe. When my chakra reaches the back of the clones brain, I begin to visualize a brick wall in my mind. As I'm visualizing the wall, I use my chakra to cause the clone to start to see the brick wall in front of it hoping my illusion worked
*the clones are unaffected*
Well, you are doing everything right except one thing: you need to disturb the chakra flow of your opponent. Make sure your chakra disturbs his in a way that i can make him visualize the wall. ^^ Almost there though, i think he saw a pebble.
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by Scorps
*the clones are unaffected*
Well, you are doing everything right except one thing: you need to disturb the chakra flow of your opponent. Make sure your chakra disturbs his in a way that i can make him visualize the wall. ^^ Almost there though, i think he saw a pebble.
I stand in front of your clone. I then quickly take 3 breaths as I clear my mind of all possible distractions. I start to concentrate on my chakra flow as well as your clones. Without using my Byakugan, I start to manipulate my chakra to flow from my body...I keep controlling it until it hits your clone. I then inject my flowing chakra in to your clone as I manipulate my chakra further to enter the clones occipital lobe. When my chakra reaches the back of the clones brain, I begin to visualize a brick wall in my mind. As I'm visualizing the wall, I use my chakra to disturb his own chakra flow. By disturbing his chakra flow, I can slightly manipulate the sense(s) that my chakra is "infecting" so that my chakra disturbance will cause the clone to start to see the brick wall in front of it hoping my illusion worked
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by ~CoOkie Monster~
I stand in front of your clone. I then quickly take 3 breaths as I clear my mind of all possible distractions. I start to concentrate on my chakra flow as well as your clones. Without using my Byakugan, I start to manipulate my chakra to flow from my body...I keep controlling it until it hits your clone. I then inject my flowing chakra in to your clone as I manipulate my chakra further to enter the clones occipital lobe. When my chakra reaches the back of the clones brain, I begin to visualize a brick wall in my mind. As I'm visualizing the wall, I use my chakra to disturb his own chakra flow. By disturbing his chakra flow, I can slightly manipulate the sense(s) that my chakra is "infecting" so that my chakra disturbance will cause the clone to start to see the brick wall in front of it hoping my illusion worked
EXCELLENT!!
(Genjutsu: Kokohin) - Illusion Technique: False surrounding
Rank: D
Type:Supplementary
Range:Short
Chakra Cost:10(+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user controls creates a false surrounding which can change the way an object or small area looks(if used double then its a layer of false surroundings not easy noticed by the enemy).
You've learned your first Genjutsu ^^
Now, although this one is quite simple, its also of the most significant importance. Can you tell me why? ^^
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
It basically makes you able to make your enemy see anything you wish for. He can see a normal ground in front of him while there are spikes coming from it for example.
Now, can you answer that question now? ^^
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by Scorps
It basically makes you able to make your enemy see anything you wish for. He can see a normal ground in front of him while there are spikes coming from it for example.
Now, can you answer that question now? ^^
I think it would help if you would rephrase the question
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
Well, if it can make your enemy see anything you want, what do you think are its advantages and best uses?
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by Scorps
Well, if it can make your enemy see anything you want, what do you think are its advantages and best uses?
Aah that's sounds better
To cause the ground to appear normal, and then using something like earth spikes.
So basically, the best uses would be to create a stable environment that would suit a following technique
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by ~CoOkie Monster~
Aah that's sounds better
To cause the ground to appear normal, and then using something like earth spikes.
So basically, the best uses would be to create a stable environment that would suit a following technique
Erm...the right way would be to mask your use of a technique with a normal "vision" making so that your opponent can't see the attack and thus is unable to counter it.
got it now?
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by Scorps
Erm...the right way would be to mask your use of a technique with a normal "vision" making so that your opponent can't see the attack and thus is unable to counter it.
got it now?
:ghehe: I was struggling to find the right words. Just came from karate. Brain a bit fuzzy.
LET's DO THIS!
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by ~CoOkie Monster~
:ghehe: I was struggling to find the right words. Just came from karate. Brain a bit fuzzy.
LET's DO THIS! 
Now, answer me the following:
-How can you dispel or release from a Genjutsu? Why?
-How long do you think a Genjutsu lasts?
-Can you cast a Genjutsu on yourself? Why?
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by Scorps
Now, answer me the following:
-How can you dispel or release from a Genjutsu? Why?
-How long do you think a Genjutsu lasts?
-Can you cast a Genjutsu on yourself? Why?
You can dispel/release from a genjutsu by either, receiving enough pain to break through it to kick you out of (I'm not sure why the pain one works). Or another person (Not effected by the gen) can inject their chakra in to your system. (The person that injects their chakra will disrupt the opponents chakra flowing in your system and purge your system)
I think the time a genjutsu varies upon the genjutsu itself and the user's chakra limit and physical capabilities. Such as Itachi Tsukyomi, he can change the time limit according to his fancy, however he has low chakra so he doesn't push himself.
I don't think it's possible...Since a genjutsu is based on disturbing chakra flow with a foreign chakra...am I right?
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
You got the basis done but i can't let you go with just that can i? ^^
How to dispel a Genjutsu and why
Simple answer lies in what is a Genjutsu. Genjutsu is a disruption of your normal chakra flow that makes you experience an illusion as it scrambles your chakra. We have gone through that so you might ask how does this help?
Ok, if a Genjutsu is a disruption in your own chakra flow, to dispel it you need to create a stronger disruption that will clear that one and leave your chakra on its normal state. So basically, there is only one way to dispel genjutsu: disrupting your chakra flow.
Now, this can be done in 3 basic ways:
1- Altering the balance between physical and spiritual energies in your chakra by disturbing your physical energy. This is done by producing pain. Pain comes from the body and thus it makes your physical energy fluctuate. Because of this fluctuation your chakra flow experiences a spike. This spike is a disturbance that will dispel other disturbances present in your chakra.
2- Altering the balance between physical and spiritual energies in your chakra by disturbing your spiritual energy. This is done by your sheer will power. Its done by forcefully creating a surge of chakra in your body by spiking your spiritual energy. It can be done in 2 ways: through a technique named Kai and through other techniques, like Nagashi, that will produce a high enough surge of chakra through your body.
3- Altering your chakra flow through the introduction of foreign chakra. This can be done by an ally or by entering for example, sage mode or being a jinchuriki. The truth is that as foreign chakra enters your system or another energy (natural energy), your chakra flow becomes altered and thus releases from the genjutsu.
All of these produce a reset-like effect on your chakra flow, making it return to normal.
How long does a genjutsu last?
Simple answer: it lasts until dispelled or until its purpose is fulfilled. For example, if the end finality of your genjutsu is the person feeling as if a kunai was thrown at her, once the illusionary kunai reaches her, the genjutsu ends as the purpose ended.
Can you cast Genjutsu on yourself?
Yes, but with some limitations. As you are the one creating the genjutsu you can't actually fool your brain completely so the applications are limited. Unless the genjutsu is designed to be self-induced then it won't work. But you can create self-inducing genjutsu. Making them logical and possible is quite a different other story.
Now, if you don't have any questions, try and get me the link to the genjutsu release rules. Its important for you to have these in hand. ^^
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
That post is very helpful...Learnt quite a lot thanks!
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
Exactly! now, most genjutsu are quite straight forward. What i do is group them into basic general groups according to their descriptions:
-Sleep Induction Genjutsu
-Surrounding Manipulation Genjutsu
-Diversionary Genjutsu
-Interrogatory Genjutsu
-Genjutsu with mixed Real Attack
-Escape Genjutsu
-Others
But before we go into it, lets start with releasing from Genjutsu.
As you know, the technique you can use to self release from Genjutsu is this:
(Genjutsu: Kai) - Illusion Technique: Release
Rank: C-A
Type:Supplementary
Range:Short
Chakra Cost:15-30
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user does one hand seal to focus and then proceeds to disturb his chakra flow by forcefully stopping it momentarily and then "spiking" his spiritual energy, unbalancing his chakra. This dispels any genjutsu set upon the user except Eye Techniques,Bringer Of Darkness, Demonic Flute Illusion:Binding Chains, Tree Binding Death, and Toad Duet. The effectiveness of this technique is dependent upon the skill of the user. A Jounin rank ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to C-rank. An S-class ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to B-rank. A Sannin rank ninja (and above) can dispel Genjutsu up to A-rank.
Now, i'll put you under a genjutsu and you need to release from it. Use any means you know.
*makes you see tons of snakes rising from the ground to bind you, making it impossible for you to move*
(Genjutsu: Kokohin) - Illusion Technique: False surrounding
Rank: D
Type:Supplementary
Range:Short
Chakra Cost:10(+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user controls creates a false surrounding which can change the way an object or small area looks(if used double then its a layer of false surroundings not easy noticed by the enemy).
UUU...snakes!
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
 Originally Posted by Scorps
Exactly! now, most genjutsu are quite straight forward. What i do is group them into basic general groups according to their descriptions:
-Sleep Induction Genjutsu
-Surrounding Manipulation Genjutsu
-Diversionary Genjutsu
-Interrogatory Genjutsu
-Genjutsu with mixed Real Attack
-Escape Genjutsu
-Others
But before we go into it, lets start with releasing from Genjutsu.
As you know, the technique you can use to self release from Genjutsu is this:
(Genjutsu: Kai) - Illusion Technique: Release
Rank: C-A
Type:Supplementary
Range:Short
Chakra Cost:15-30
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user does one hand seal to focus and then proceeds to disturb his chakra flow by forcefully stopping it momentarily and then "spiking" his spiritual energy, unbalancing his chakra. This dispels any genjutsu set upon the user except Eye Techniques,Bringer Of Darkness, Demonic Flute Illusion:Binding Chains, Tree Binding Death, and Toad Duet. The effectiveness of this technique is dependent upon the skill of the user. A Jounin rank ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to C-rank. An S-class ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to B-rank. A Sannin rank ninja (and above) can dispel Genjutsu up to A-rank.
Now, i'll put you under a genjutsu and you need to release from it. Use any means you know.
*makes you see tons of snakes rising from the ground to bind you, making it impossible for you to move*
(Genjutsu: Kokohin) - Illusion Technique: False surrounding
Rank: D
Type:Supplementary
Range:Short
Chakra Cost:10(+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user controls creates a false surrounding which can change the way an object or small area looks(if used double then its a layer of false surroundings not easy noticed by the enemy).
UUU...snakes!
With my Byakugan activated I wait for you move. Suddenly I see numerous snakes appear before me which strikes as odd to me as I never seen them before and you don't know any snake related techniques. Realizing that, I use my Byakugan and see that my chakra flow has been distrubed by a 3rd party (You) meaning I am placed under a genjutsu. Since it's a genjutsu, I forcibly stop my chakra flow and spiking it causing my chakra to become unbalanced dispelling the genjutsu
(Genjutsu: Kai) - Illusion Technique: Release
Rank: C-A
Type:Supplementary
Range:Short
Chakra Cost:15-30
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user does one hand seal to focus and then proceeds to disturb his chakra flow by forcefully stopping it momentarily and then "spiking" his spiritual energy, unbalancing his chakra. This dispels any genjutsu set upon the user except Eye Techniques,Bringer Of Darkness, Demonic Flute Illusion:Binding Chains, Tree Binding Death, and Toad Duet. The effectiveness of this technique is dependent upon the skill of the user. A Jounin rank ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to C-rank. An S-class ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to B-rank. A Sannin rank ninja (and above) can dispel Genjutsu up to A-rank.
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And Scorps, Is this a good way to use that genjutsu: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...82&postcount=3
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Re: [Genjutsu Training] Cookie Monster
That technique was actually edited to this:
( Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu ) - Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion over an area that allows him to manipulate the way an area looks to fool an opponent. He can only change the way the terrain looks, and not any other feature.
Also, don't use KG in training. You should learn the basis and not take advantage of KG.
Now, next ones:
You make one handseal (if i'm not mistaken) and you vanish in a whirwind of sakura petals. You vanish from your opponents sight...not in reality off course.
(Genjutsu: Kahen Tonsou) - Illusion Technique: Flower Petal Escape
Rank: D
Type:Supplementary
Range:Short
Chakra Cost:10
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user vanishes in a whirlwind of sakura petals.
Basically you throw a paper bomb at your opponent but what he'll see is a servent (a lackey, a familiar, etc etc). Once the bomb is in range it will activate and boom! (not a good illusion if you ask me but it still has its uses)
(Genjutsu: Kasumi) - Illusion Technique: Servant
Rank: D
Type:Supplementary
Range:Short
Chakra Cost:10
Damage Points:20
Description: An illusionary servant that is really a paper bomb that once in range of the opponent will explode.
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