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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    we finally gget to see kabutos back story
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    I really like this chapter, even if we didn't get much to do with the new eye technique. It showed that Kabuto really is a key player now... Kabuto literally managed to "kill" Itachi. He'd be dead if it weren't for Edo, even though he did admittedly do it to save Sasuke. Still, he's strong enough to get the upper hand on Itachi with a single technique, and it looks like Kabuto's jutsu don't use chakra at all... They use life force instead, something the Sharingan can't track.
    I think it's safe to say that even with Itachi's next new eye technique, Kabuto still has the upper hand.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    I dont get it, why was Sasuke's eye bleeding? Especially after obtaining EMS.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    i forgot that 5 kages and naruto are having a fight 2
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Yokima Yagame View Post
    Kishimoto turned on the story mode .I think we had enuf action ,i mean naruto ,guy and kakashi vs Tobi - 5 kages vs Madara and now we will learn more about Kabuto .So stop actiong like a ***** the manga can't only bee action and blood .....
    But the stories that Kishi is telling us are not interesting.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by bjb yo View Post
    I really like this chapter, even if we didn't get much to do with the new eye technique. It showed that Kabuto really is a key player now... Kabuto literally managed to "kill" Itachi. He'd be dead if it weren't for Edo, even though he did admittedly do it to save Sasuke. Still, he's strong enough to get the upper hand on Itachi with a single technique, and it looks like Kabuto's jutsu don't use chakra at all... They use life force instead, something the Sharingan can't track.
    I think it's safe to say that even with Itachi's next new eye technique, Kabuto still has the upper hand.
    Well, you are right that Kabuto killed him but had it not been EDO Itachi's approach would have been different. An expert fighter usually knows which things to sacrifies for what and the priority changes with the changing situation.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    I understand why Kishi needs to give background stories. But then he should have done it before he revealed Izanami, because ending a chapter with that and then following it with nothing but flashbacks and background stories is kind of a letdown. That is why I give this no more than 3 stars.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoMinato View Post
    Well, you are right that Kabuto killed him but had it not been EDO Itachi's approach would have been different. An expert fighter usually knows which things to sacrifies for what and the priority changes with the changing situation.
    So you're saying if he hadn't had Edo Tensai, he would have saved his own life and let Sasuke die in his place? I somehow doubt that... The way I see it, if Itachi hadn't used Susano, he would have been fast enough and got away, but Sasuke would have been impaled. If he used Susano on himself, once again, Sasuke would have been killed. The way I see it, Itachi is lucky he had Edo to keep him alive, otherwise at least one of them would be dead.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by blackbird31468 View Post
    But the stories that Kishi is telling us are not interesting.
    This was the plot which made all big fights felt intense and meaningful. Kabuto's immense effort to stand up literally against the whole world must have a reason. (Even WWF wrestler first create a stupid plot and then fight.)
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by bjb yo View Post
    I really like this chapter, even if we didn't get much to do with the new eye technique. It showed that Kabuto really is a key player now... Kabuto literally managed to "kill" Itachi. He'd be dead if it weren't for Edo, even though he did admittedly do it to save Sasuke. Still, he's strong enough to get the upper hand on Itachi with a single technique, and it looks like Kabuto's jutsu don't use chakra at all... They use life force instead, something the Sharingan can't track.
    I think it's safe to say that even with Itachi's next new eye technique, Kabuto still has the upper hand.
    How did he mange to get the upper hand on Itachi if Itachi purposefully took the hit to save Sasuke (who should've been able to save himselfs)?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by smokasushibushi View Post
    Every week is not christmas. You can't expect the best toy under the tree Every Week. If you 'get' Naruto, you 'get' this chapter. Kishimoto has been pumping out incredible content for a long time. The war REALLY picked up steam as Kabuto summoned Madara and Kishi hasn't really taken the pedal off the floor until the last few issues. That doesn't mean 'this sucks'. Learn patience. See the long view. When you go back and read chapters that you dissed in the past, you learn they were necessary, often touching. Also, Kishi is secretly trying to teach all you punk-ass *****es something.
    So, WAKE-UP.
    Be grateful for such a great manga. See the birds and trees and flowers on your path to destruction. Breath a little. It'll be ok.
    Exactly right :worshippy:
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by bjb yo View Post
    So you're saying if he hadn't had Edo Tensai, he would have saved his own life and let Sasuke die in his place? I somehow doubt that... The way I see it, if Itachi hadn't used Susano, he would have been fast enough and got away, but Sasuke would have been impaled. If he used Susano on himself, once again, Sasuke would have been killed. The way I see it, Itachi is lucky he had Edo to keep him alive, otherwise at least one of them would be dead.
    Let this fight be finished, many conclusions will change.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoMinato View Post
    I dont get it, why was Sasuke's eye bleeding? Especially after obtaining EMS.
    Because all EMS does is remove the drawback to using MS (you can't go blind anymore). EMS isn't a power up that gives the user new abilities or makes the ones he already had, stronger. It just gives new life to the eyes of the MS user.

    So you're saying if he hadn't had Edo Tensai, he would have saved his own life and let Sasuke die in his place? I somehow doubt that... The way I see it, if Itachi hadn't used Susano, he would have been fast enough and got away, but Sasuke would have been impaled. If he used Susano on himself, once again, Sasuke would have been killed. The way I see it, Itachi is lucky he had Edo to keep him alive, otherwise at least one of them would be dead.
    If Itachi didn't have Edo Tensei, then they wouldn't be fighting Kabuto in the first place. Itachi knows he's immortal as long as he's been summoned by Edo Tensei, and he's using that to his advantage by protecting Sasuke. Sasuke protected him with Amaterasu.

    There's also something that has been made completely obvious at this point. Kabuto cannot unsummon Itachi anymore. The only thing he can do is seal him, or try to take control of him with a new talisman.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Well, a couple of people mentioned that the Edo Tensei made it safe for Itachi to die. This isn't true, not really. Clearly, when Itachi is incapacitated, Kabuto has a chance to overwrite the Genjutsu with his own seal. Itachi is playing a dangerous game with odds stacked against him. I'm surprised that he took such a major risk despite his paranoia. It goes to show that he trusts Sasuke to protect him in turn. What makes me more curious is that he didn't form the Susano'o around himself while using it's hand to protect Sasuke. I'm not sure there is any precedent for this kind of thing, but it seems within the realm of believability. Thoughts, anyone?

    P.S.: This is a shameless plug for my old post! I have a large posts with a few theories/ideas that I'd love for people to support or take apart. I'd be much obliged and I would greatly appreciate it if someone takes a look and lets me know if anyone relates to my ideas.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by blackbird31468 View Post
    How did he mange to get the upper hand on Itachi if Itachi purposefully took the hit to save Sasuke (who should've been able to save himselfs)?
    But Sasuke DIDN'T protect himself... Yes, he SHOULD have been able to protect himself with Susano, but he didn't. So, unless he was planning on standing by and letting Itachi save him from the beginning, it means he wasn't going to protect himself, either because he didn't have the reflexes or whatever. Kabuto managed to mortally wound one of the Uchiha brothers, and (theoretically) outspeed and daze Sasuke (again).
    At the very least, you've got to admit that Kabuto is way above Sasuke's level.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by squigles View Post
    Because all EMS does is remove the drawback to using MS (you can't go blind anymore). EMS isn't a power up that gives the user new abilities or makes the ones he already had, stronger. It just gives new life to the eyes of the MS user.
    But there wasn't any bleeding when he burnt zetsus
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    CHAPTER SUMMARY

    Kabuto: I'm you like but you're not like me.

    Itachi: You're not like me! I'm like you!

    Kabuto: You're not like me at all...

    *Another flashback*

    1/5
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    very dissapointed in this chapter, i want to see izanami, not a flashback of orochimarus *****.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoMinato View Post
    But there wasn't any bleeding when he burnt zetsus
    If you go back and look at every single time he's ever used Amaterasu, there are times when it causes him to bleed, and times when it doesn't. I have no idea what the difference tends to be, but I do know that against the Zetsu clones, he was using Susanoo to cast and manipulate Amaterasu, while against Kabuto, he wasn't using Susanoo at all.

    That could be the difference.

    very dissapointed in this chapter, i want to see izanami, not a flashback of orochimarus *****.
    This isn't the Transformer's live action movie, or another one of Micheal Bay's shitty action movies. There's actual story and plot to be told in Naruto. If you can't handle that, then you don't have to read it?

    Well, a couple of people mentioned that the Edo Tensei made it safe for Itachi to die. This isn't true, not really. Clearly, when Itachi is incapacitated, Kabuto has a chance to overwrite the Genjutsu with his own seal. Itachi is playing a dangerous game with odds stacked against him. I'm surprised that he took such a major risk despite his paranoia. It goes to show that he trusts Sasuke to protect him in turn. What makes me more curious is that he didn't form the Susano'o around himself while using it's hand to protect Sasuke. I'm not sure there is any precedent for this kind of thing, but it seems within the realm of believability. Thoughts, anyone?

    P.S.: This is a shameless plug for my old post! I have a large posts with a few theories/ideas that I'd love for people to support or take apart. I'd be much obliged and I would greatly appreciate it if someone takes a look and lets me know if anyone relates to my ideas.
    I don't think that whether or not it's 'safe' for Itachi to die, is an important factor at all. In this case, I think they were both caught by surprise with that particular technique, and Itachi is basically trying to wait for the best opportunity to use Izanami, while still trying to protect his little Bro.

    It's conceivable that he fully intended to get hit in order to draw Kabuto Closer, tricking him into thinking he had the upper hand for a moment. It could be part of Izanami. I can say for sure at this point, that if it were possible for Kabuto to unsummon Itachi using Edo Tensei, he would have done so already.

    It's already been shown that he can summon each soul independently with Edo Tensei (he summoned Madara long after the fighting began with all the other Edos), so it only stands to reason that he could unsummon them all independently as well.

    If that's the case, why would he even bother fighting against Itachi? At this point I'm sure he's realized that Itachi is going to be a major obstacle in his plans if he doesn't do something about him now.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by blackbird31468 View Post
    But the stories that Kishi is telling us are not interesting.
    Just because there not interesting for you doesn't mean there not interesting for all of us.
     
         

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