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    Metal vs Hip-Hop

    FYI, I like both the genres. So going to compare both musically and then lyrically. Then perhaps focus on cultural implications.

    Musically - METAL
    1)
    Suffocation an example of metal that is percussive.

    2)
    Slayer here is an example of metal that is phrasal.

    3)
    Burzum using a trance like style. Very easy to do, but hard to do well.


    4)
    Bolt Thrower an example of metal that is textural.

    Musically - HIP HOP
    1)
    Produced by El-P in its entirety. Dark atmosphere and an ominous vibe given off by the bass (sampled).

    2)
    Produced by DJ Abilities. Use of xylophone to emulate what seems like water droplets. Wind instruments to produce melancholy.

    3)
    Produced by DJ Premier. Sampled off a song called Deliver the Word by War. Piano/xylophone produces sombre mood.

    4)
    Composed & produced by Nujabes. Best example of musicality in hip-hop, imo.

    Now as you can see whilst metal is instrumentally driven, the composition aspect of hip-hop takes a back seat. A band composes their own music, writes their own lyrics and performs it. However a rapper at best writes the lyrics and performs (which is more to do with showcasing your persona). The real credit in hip-hop should go to the producer who may create music fresh (e.g. Nujabes) or sample from an artist and then arrange in a way that produces music that has cohesion and context (e.g. Kanye on MBDTF).

    Lyrically - METAL
    1)
    War Pigs by Black Sabbath
    Generals gathered in their masses,
    just like witches at black masses.
    Evil minds that plot destruction,
    sorcerer of death's construction.
    In the fields the bodies burning,
    as the war machine keeps turning.
    Death and hatred to mankind,
    poisoning their brainwashed minds...Oh lord yeah!

    Politicians hide themselves away
    They only started the war
    Why should they go out to fight?
    They leave that role to the poor

    Time will tell on their power minds
    Making war just for fun
    Treating people just like pawns in chess
    Wait `till their judgement day comes, yeah!

    Now in darkness, world stops turning,
    ashes where the bodies burning.
    No more war pigs have the power,
    hand of god has struck the hour.
    Day of judgement, god is calling,
    on their knees the war pigs crawling.
    Begging mercy for their sins,
    Satan, laughing, spreads his wings...Oh lord, yeah!


    2)
    My Journey to the Stars by Burzum
    I Immaterialize
    And Slowly Drift
    Into the Unknown
    With the Cold Winds with Soul
    The Wintery Plains Lie Untouched
    I Ride on My Elements
    Towards the Stars Unseen
    A Quest
    For Knowledge
    In the
    Astral
    Luminous
    Stench Intensifies
    As I
    Near a Spectral Sphere
    After a Hundred
    Men's Lifetime
    In Analyzing
    I learn
    To Consume
    The Sphere
    Of Immense Power
    And To
    Become Immortal
    Darkness Hate and Winter
    Rules the Earth when I Return
    War
    Between Races
    A Goal Is Reached
    Chaos, Hate


    3)
    Dirt by Alice in Chains
    [Verse 1]
    I have never felt such frustration
    Or lack of self control
    I want you to kill me
    And dig me under, I want to live no more

    [Chorus]
    One who doesn't care is one who shouldn't be
    I've tried to hide myself from what is wrong for me
    For me

    [Verse 2]
    I want to taste dirty, a stinging pistol
    In my mouth, on my tongue
    I want you to scrape me from the walls
    And go crazy like you've made me

    [Chorus]

    [Verse 3]
    You, you are so special
    You have the talent to make me feel like dirt
    And you, you use your talent to dig me under
    And cover me with dirt

    [Chorus]


    4)
    Necropolis by Manilla Road
    Through the jungle by the river Styx
    I've journeyed long and far this day
    Lurking shadows in the parapets
    Will never make me turn away
    Darkened city veiled in crimson mist
    Entombed in time without decay
    Never thought it would be like this
    It feels like I'm living inside a dream
    But my mind tells me I'm

    Lost in Necropolis, lost in Necropolis
    Lost in Necropolis, lost in Necropolis

    Now I know what it's like to be
    Inside the city of the dead
    All I think of is breaking free
    From all the spells chained to my head
    Sword and axe are my destiny
    I watch the stars turning blood red
    There is light yes I've got to believe
    For this feels like living inside a dream
    I know now that I am

    Lost in Necropolis, lost in Necropolis
    Lost in Necropolis, lost in Necropolis

    I have seen your cities burning
    I have felt your daughters yearning
    For the peace before the tides of war
    I have witnessed funeral pyres
    Burning bright with man's desire
    I will fight the demon horde forever more

    The world is full of mysteries
    That men have never seen before
    Magik lives in all dynasties
    The light of love shines ever more
    In the crypts of Atlantean Kings
    I found what I was looking for
    Magik Trident of Volusia's Sea
    I know it's like living inside a dream
    But don't you ever get

    Lost in Necropolis, lost in Necropolis
    Lost in Necropolis, lost in Necropolis



    Lyrically - HIP HOP
    1) http://genius.com/127252/Aesop-rock-...**ery-suddenly

    2) http://genius.com/Ra-the-rugged-man-...m-story-lyrics

    3) http://genius.com/Cannibal-ox-pigeon-lyrics

    4) http://genius.com/Big-punisher-you-aint-a-killer-lyrics

    As you can see, both genres touch upon bleak topics death, struggle, war etc. The only difference is that metal is nihilistic as opposed to hip-hop's hedonism, with metal more entrenched in fantasy and the occult. Hip-Hop on the other hand has delusions of grandeur (gangster rap, G-Funk) but can also be conscious (A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Public Enemy).
    Metal is lyrically abstract whereas hip-hop for the most part is less so with exceptions of course. What may edge it for hip-hop, lyrically, is that it uses linguistic devices not common in metal such as assonance, alliteration, multisyllabic rhyming, half rhymes, metaphors etc. Although since hip-hop is more lyrically driven, it needs these devices for it to stand up against other genres.

    Flavours/styles/regions of metal:
    NYDM (New York Death Metal) - Suffocation, Immolation, Mortician
    Florida Death Metal - Death, Deicide, Monstrosity
    Swedish Death Metal - At the Gates, Entombed, Carnage
    Progressive - Pestilence, Atheist, Gorguts
    Gothenburg - Dissection, Sacramentum
    Deconstructivist - Ildjarn, Impaled Nazarene, Havohej
    Epic - Graveland, Bathory, Emperor
    Folk - Enslaved, Emporium

    Main Regions - USA, United Kingdom, Europe (Scandinavia, Germany, France, Russia)

    Flavours/styles/regions of hip-hop:
    East Coast/boom bap - Gang Starr, KRS One
    Gangsta/hardcore - N.W.A., Wu-Tang, Biggie, Onyx
    West Coast/G Funk - Snoop, Dr Dre
    Chopped n Screwed - DJ Skrew
    Crunk (Memphis) - Three Six Mafia, Lil Jon
    Horrorcore - King Gordy, Jak Progresso, Brotha Lynch Hung
    Mid West/Alternative - Atmosphere, Doomtree, Brother Ali
    Industrial - Techno Animal, The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy, Moodie Black
    Cloud - Main Attrakionz, Lil B, cLOUDEAD, Clams Casino
    Trap - UGK, 8 Ball & MJG

    Main regions - USA, Canada, United Kingdom

    Not much to say on this. Just something that disproves anyone who believes neither is diverse.
     
         
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    Re: Metal vs Hip-Hop

    Can't really compare them.

    Theres much more to both genres than just what've you captured. It's easy enough to find Hip-Hop that's more appealing musically and Metal that is artistically better and vice-versa.

    You've missed a hell of a lot but that's not your fault, since both are so expansive that you never capture the proper jist of both genres in one sitting.
     
         

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    Re: Metal vs Hip-Hop

    I love metal and all of those bands you listed are great!

    You've done your research rep+

    EDIT: I wonder if there is hip hop about torture, necrophilia and mass murder like the lyrics of most brutal death metal bands like early Suffocation or Cannibal Corpse xD
     
         
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    Re: Metal vs Hip-Hop

    Hip Hop. No difficulty.
     
         

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    Re: Metal vs Hip-Hop

    Metal neg diff

    manowar
    rhapsody of fire
    hammerfall
    metallica
    luca turilli
    nightwish
    within temptation
     
         

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    Re: Metal vs Hip-Hop

    I love both
     
         

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    Re: Metal vs Hip-Hop

    Quote Originally Posted by Bond View Post
    Can't really compare them.

    Theres much more to both genres than just what've you captured. It's easy enough to find Hip-Hop that's more appealing musically and Metal that is artistically better and vice-versa.

    You've missed a hell of a lot but that's not your fault, since both are so expansive that you never capture the proper jist of both genres in one sitting.
    Both can be compared compositionally and ideologically.
     
         

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    Re: Metal vs Hip-Hop

    Hip hop
     
         

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    Re: Metal vs Hip-Hop

    Metal easily for me.
     
         

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    Re: Metal vs Hip-Hop

    Why not British/heavy/power/speed metal? They are less specific than the ones in OP.

    OT: Metal.
     
         

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