The Sage of Six Paths and TRUE Sage Mode.

[9Bijuu]

but here he says that he has the true sage mode

the only new thing are the horns and his makeup

don't know why you think he hasn't the true sage mode
or do you mean DSM is better than SM?

i think they are both good but DSM don't stop after 5min

To respond to your new points, I'm not sure how to make this more clear.

Compare a picture of Jiraiya's sage mode to Kabuto's sage mode. Jiraiya's is an imperfect sage mode.

Now compare a picture of Naruto's sage mode to Kabuto's sage mode.



Ask yourself, which pair is more similar? If you're not being ignorant about it, you'll see that Kabuto's sage mode HIGHLY resembles imperfect - his markings are much longer and run from his face to his shoulder and he has a LARGE physical change to his body due to not being able to control the nature chakra. Naruto on the other hand has a completely different type of sage mode, the nature chakra is under control so only his eyes are affected and on top of that the sage markings are much smaller.

He does have true sage mode, in other words just being a sage, but he DOES NOT have perfect sage mode. The manga evidence shows this, if he was a perfect sage he'd look like one and would've stated it.

[Gerkak]

Awsome dude but are you sure the 3rd raikage isn't faster than a susanoo arrow

[Prince Charles]

nice job + rep.

[9Bijuu]

Awsome dude but are you sure the 3rd raikage isn't faster than a susanoo arrow

Er... what? He might be but that has nothing to do with this thread, if you're talking about when Sasuke fired a susanoo arrow and it missed it was Kabuto dodging it. I really should link another page to clarify that.

[Wechselgeld]

To respond to your new points, I'm not sure how to make this more clear.

Compare a picture of Jiraiya's sage mode to Kabuto's sage mode. Jiraiya's is an imperfect sage mode.

Now compare a picture of Naruto's sage mode to Kabuto's sage mode.



Ask yourself, which pair is more similar? If you're not being ignorant about it, you'll see that Kabuto's sage mode HIGHLY resembles imperfect - his markings are much longer and run from his face to his shoulder and he has a LARGE physical change to his body due to not being able to control the nature chakra. Naruto on the other hand has a completely different type of sage mode, the nature chakra is under control so only his eyes are affected and on top of that the sage markings are much smaller.

He does have true sage mode, in other words just being a sage, but he DOES NOT have perfect sage mode. The manga evidence shows this, if he was a perfect sage he'd look like one and would've stated it.

ignorant?
someone became mad?

here you see the naked kabuto without sm

now with sm

did you see the difference?
it add only the horns and the makeup to his sm
there are no big physical changes

think about that
you may be wrong about that point

[9Bijuu]

ignorant?
someone became mad?

here you see the naked kabuto without sm

now with sm

did you see the difference?
it add only the horns and the makeup to his sm
there are no big physical changes

think about that
you may be wrong about that point

Not mad, just trying to figure out how you keep ignoring the obvious. I wasn't wrong about that, yes he does have the same weird purple eye liner stuff Oro had but his SM doesn't extend that, it covers it up and runs down his back. The big physical change isn't like a new body, it's similar to Jiraiya's. Jiraiya gained boils on his face, Kabuto gained HORNS. He gained a new physical trait from his sage mode which has only been seen in Jiraiya, Naruto's sage mode is perfect which means he has the nature chakra under control which prevents the chakra from changing his appearance by adding horns or in the toad SM's sense, boils. I'm sorry if you don't understand but I've made this perfectly clear - his SM is imperfect, he may perfect it later on but for now he is not a perfect sage.

[Wechselgeld]

why do I discuss it with you?
read this and correct your thread
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sage_mode

when you don't like it change it on the site

[9Bijuu]

why do I discuss it with you?
read this and correct your thread
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sage_mode

I'm sorry but wikis are not a viable source. I don't care what the wiki says - it's random edits from people who probably don't know how to analyze the manga properly. You need to accept it, it's not perfect sage mode, you wouldn't have horns (a new physical trait) and large sage mode markings if it were. I'm sorry but now you're just being ridiculous.

[Wechselgeld]

I just laughed, you linked me to a wikipedia page as a viable source. I don't care what the wiki says - it's random edits from people who probably don't know how to analyze the manga properly. You need to accept it, it's not perfect sage mode, you wouldn't have horns (a new physical trait) and large sage mode markings if it were. I'm sorry but now you're just being ridiculous.

wikipedia is more viable source
than your thoughts.

the markings are always different
when they change
then the user loses control
(read the fight between the old fart and pein)

But let's talk about the horns.
are they similar to typical snakes?
i mean the alteration
they have to be similar to a snake then!
do snakes have horns?

[9Bijuu]

wikipedia is more viable source
than your thoughts.

the markings are always different
when they change
then the user loses control
(read the fight between the old fart and pein)

But let's talk about the horns.
are they similar to typical snakes?
i mean the alteration
they have to be similar to a snake then!
do snakes have horns?

I'm not going to bother arguing against you, you're obviously mad and ignoring facts. Snakes don't have horns but he refers to it as dragon sage mode, re-read the manga, post a source that isn't a collection of random thoughts, and prove me wrong. You've done nothing but restate your points - please think it over. If I was truly as wrong as you think I am more people would've pointed it out.

[Wechselgeld]

I'm not going to bother arguing against you, you're obviously mad and ignoring facts. Snakes don't have horns but he refers to it as dragon sage mode, re-read the manga, post a source that isn't a collection of random thoughts, and prove me wrong. You've done nothing but restate your points - please think it over. If I was truly as wrong as you think I am more people would've pointed it out.

someone became mad! xD
i believe you that you believe it

first i never stated that he has the perfect sage mode
i only say "you are wrong!"

you stated it yourself

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I wish I could give more detail but we haven't seen enough of it to say too much, from what I can tell though it does two important things: firstly it enhances the perceptual abilities a large amount, it doesn't have the huge strength but Kabuto reacted to and dodged a much faster attack than Naruto which brings me into it's second abilities, greatly enhanced speed.

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that's why it's a mistake to believe you
we have not enough information to make that kind of statements.
your statement is a possibility like the slug sage thing

deal with it

[9Bijuu]

someone became mad! xD
i believe you that you believe it

first i never stated that he has the perfect sage mode
i only say "you are wrong!"

you stated it yourself



that's why it's a mistake to believe you
we have not enough information to make that kind of statements.
your statement is a possibility like the slug sage thing

deal with it

It's not a mistake to believe me - it's a choice. When I said that we don't know enough to say much I meant that we don't know enough about its powers to conclusively say exactly what it does but we've seen imperfect / perfect sage mode so we can compare his to imperfect / perfect sage mode and his more closely resembles imperfect sage mode. It's not a possibility, it's a highly likely theory. Use your brain, not the words of random people. If the evidence doesn't add up ignore it but in this case my evidence DOES add up to say Kabuto's SM is imperfect.

Please don't post without valid proof from the manga, you've been proven to be wrong multiple times and I'm starting to consider your posts spam.

[Hatake Senju]

I think that you may have a point, but I don't necessarily agree. If 'true" sage mode was complete for anyone, how would you distinguish between the different teachers or sage arts? I think some of them would really overlap. I think that Kabuto has come close enough to consider it almost perfect if not perfect, if Oro couldn't quite complete it. There must be something that distinguishes the frogs from the snakes/dragons and snails. Horns just might be a way to do such a thing.

my 2 cents. good thread tho.

[gazmatic]

He says he's a true sage, not a perfect one. It's easy to misunderstand what Kabuto's been saying but by the wording it sounds like he felt that Orochimaru wanted to become a sage BUT since only Kabuto achieved it he basically says that he was the true sage between the two. Even without that it's fairly clear he's not a perfect sage, again the physical changes and large chakra markings lead me to believe that he's imperfect although he may end up perfecting his sage mode.

I was about to comment until I saw this post. We never saw oro transform into SM which is why I think kabuto said that he instead of oro got the SM or DSM but I do not think that it is perfect like Naruto's but more like jarai... Good catch.

correct me if I'm wrong about oro goin into SM

[9Bijuu]

I think that you may have a point, but I don't necessarily agree. If 'true" sage mode was complete for anyone, how would you distinguish between the different teachers or sage arts? I think some of them would really overlap. I think that Kabuto has come close enough to consider it almost perfect if not perfect, if Oro couldn't quite complete it. There must be something that distinguishes the frogs from the snakes/dragons and snails. Horns just might be a way to do such a thing.

my 2 cents. good thread tho.

I do feel it's imperfect (thanks for not raging in broken English) but any opinions valid. I think the distinguishment is the eyes (toad sages have toad like eyes, snakes would carry the snake eyes, slugs... whatever slug eyes look like) and the imperfect SM would carry a feature of the animal, snake/dragon gain horns, toads gain boils, slugs would most likely be slimy. Also Oro never even received senjutsu training - he merely wanted it so I feel Kabuto's imperfect is still a giant step up from what Oro accomplished.

I'm not sure if when you asked about true sage mode and distinguishment how they became different, I feel it's because the animals all use a different aspect of nature chakra to form their SM's which even in perfect form are incomplete.

[Shaz130]

Great read, Great thread. Threads like these make the story even more interesting and it shows that Naruto has allot more then DBZ had to offer. In terms of story line and power. Its all made out of a myth which makes this show even cooler.

[9Bijuu]

Great read, Great thread. Threads like these make the story even more interesting and it shows that Naruto has allot more then DBZ had to offer. In terms of story line and power. Its all made out of a myth which makes this show even cooler.

Thanks. :D

[Hatake Senju]

I do feel it's imperfect (thanks for not raging in broken English) but any opinions valid. I think the distinguishment is the eyes (toad sages have toad like eyes, snakes would carry the snake eyes, slugs... whatever slug eyes look like) and the imperfect SM would carry a feature of the animal, snake/dragon gain horns, toads gain boils, slugs would most likely be slimy. Also Oro never even received senjutsu training - he merely wanted it so I feel Kabuto's imperfect is still a giant step up from what Oro accomplished.

I'm not sure if when you asked about true sage mode and distinguishment how they became different, I feel it's because the animals all use a different aspect of nature chakra to form their SM's which even in perfect form are incomplete.

Good argument. And I dunno if you could separate nature into aspects. Its such a broad thing. Could you elaborate? Which particular aspects?

[9Bijuu]

Good argument. And I dunno if you could separate nature into aspects. Its such a broad thing. Could you elaborate? Which particular aspects?

I can't really say for sure it could be broken down into so many ways I'd rather not attempt to do it as it's too soon to get too specific. As you said, it's a broad topic - this theory will be hard to complete without revelation of perfect snake SM and some backstory or at least. I'm hoping we'll see some of slug SM soon.

[Shin Zangetsu]

Hmm. Good stuff. One of the few good informative threads around here.

I don't agree with a couple of things like Kabuto having vastly increased speed. He's fast yes but it's mostly his sensory ability that helps. I've forgotten the other one or two things while typing. It'll come back to me.

I like the rest. There are a couple of things you've mentioned that shouldn't be overlooked. The necklaces on the Snake and Frog and their ages. I do believe they may have indeed interacted with the So6P. Those were good things that you mentioned but will most likely fly over some heads.

Not sure about Kabuto's Sage Mode in terms of whether or not it's perfect. He's actually very adept with it so far and there may be differences between the appearance of a dragon/snake and frog sage. It's inconclusive and doesn't really change anything whether he is or is not but it's worth considering.

All in all. Good thoughts. I'm typing this on the fly so I'll come back later with anything that I may have missed.

[Shin Zangetsu]

i think they are both good but DSM don't stop after 5min

Just to clarify only this point in terms of the duration, SM doesn't last five minutes either. It can also be indefinite as long as natural energy is being continuously collected. The reason Kabuto is doing it is because his cells now behave like Juugo's and collect natural energy independently.

[Wechselgeld]

9Bijuu

I'm glad I could help you
in the points you were wrong about

u mad?



better now

[9Bijuu]

Hmm. Good stuff. One of the few good informative threads around here.

I don't agree with a couple of things like Kabuto having vastly increased speed. He's fast yes but it's mostly his sensory ability that helps. I've forgotten the other one or two things while typing. It'll come back to me.

I like the rest. There are a couple of things you've mentioned that shouldn't be overlooked. The necklaces on the Snake and Frog and their ages. I do believe they may have indeed interacted with the So6P. Those were good things that you mentioned but will most likely fly over some heads.

Not sure about Kabuto's Sage Mode in terms of whether or not it's perfect. He's actually very adept with it so far and there may be differences between the appearance of a dragon/snake and frog sage. It's inconclusive and doesn't really change anything whether he is or is not but it's worth considering.

All in all. Good thoughts. I'm typing this on the fly so I'll come back later with anything that I may have missed.

Yea as I said I'm not too sure about Kabuto's SM powers. I'm highly confident about his SM being imperfect but I think I should say that the reason I believe his strength hasn't increased but his speed has is for one the susanoo arrow dodging - sensory abilities help but Kabuto has never shown anything close to being fast and I feel if he had increased strength he'd be doing some more taijutsu although we need to wait a few chapters before saying anything conclusively.

[9Bijuu]

9Bijuu

I'm glad I could help you
in the points you were wrong about

u mad?

Horrible attempt at trolling, you didn't even use the face. Regardless now you're just spamming - if you have nothing constructive to say please don't post.

[thenarutoking]

i bet the slug sm would enhance there healing process or something