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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by saltal View Post
    Nevertheless, he is one of *the* major characters, and the only one (other than Tobi) that we knew almost nothing about till now. Time to change that, even if it delays the war resolution by a few weeks - it will make it all the more satisfying later.

    Just my view...
    Nah, have to disagree with you on that one. We learned early in the story that Kabuto had always been a spy in several countries and that this left him with identity problems. Now Kishi is just picturing the past. The only thing we might learn from it is his motive and that's the interesting part gotta agree with you on that one.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    omg kabuto again? i will kill myself
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    Although tragedy is a common theme, how each character reacts to it is what makes things interesting. Love also is a transformative force in naruto. Kushina & Minato's love for Naruto & the leaf village led to their choices, which were both tragic & loving at the same time. When everything us revealed to us, we get that ”OHHHH” moment. I think the backdrops are nice because a mysterious character is revealed to us, letting us empathize or at least know the reasons we don't like the character. For example, knowing Danzo's history & his subsequent choices reaffirms what a selfish **** he was.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    I'm getting tired of Kabuto. Please go back to Naruto and Tobi Kishi!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dark Moon View Post
    Bleach? Interesting now?
    Hmm. I'll have to check it out. But that's Bleach. This is Naruto.

    It's quite different. If Kishi can improve the state of things now (though it will be difficult) then I'll retract my statement. Honestly I'm so sick of Kabuto. I wish he'd just die already

    I guess the reason being is that his past's theme is somewhat overused; a sad and depressing history led him to what he is now. Come on, Kishi, give it a rest :/ We've got/had that with Naruto, Sasuke, Nagato/Pain, Sasori, Tsunade and to some extent Itachi, Orochimaru, Danzo, Jiraiya, Kakashi and many, MANY more. You've got to agree even a little.

    I'm just not feeling it with Kabuto's past. I don't feel sorry or moved even a bit. It wasn't like when Nagato told his story; that was truly poetic. Moreover, I think I speak for everyone when I ask the question: IS TOBI THE ONLY BAD GUY IN THE ENTIRE SERIES WHO'S JUST PLAIN EVIL?!

    I mean it's fine to have some villains who started off normal but go corrupt during the course of life, but where's the villain who's completely evil? Without reason? Pure deceiving and conniving? Every good story needs one — take The Joker for example. It's him who made The Dark Knight an epic story.

    Feel free to add your own opinions; I was simply giving mine.
    Many people with agree with your take on it. But then we may get some other missing details in the story of Danzou, Oro and Tobi.

    His story is not moving so far because he came off as desperate while trying to co relate himself with Uchiha brothers somehow. It appeared to be a lame strategy to convince Sasuke to support him.

    It maybe that somewhere deep down Kabuto really wished for some kind of correlation. Seeing his loneliness and confusion and part of his back story, it's not surprising that he found traces of it and tried to hold on to it.

    Nagato also tried to correlate with Naruto and asked him to cooperate as a fellow Jiraiya student. Many people made fun of his tale when he was telling his back story of his pains- especially the second one..the death of his dog... >_<

    It was only after he used his last strength to revive Konoha at the cost of his death while he could have used that power to catch Naruto, people started to respect him.



    Quote Originally Posted by saltal View Post
    I don't think you can give constructive criticism at this point (you can always criticize, of course :-)). It's too early and you don't know where Kishi is leading the story.

    I believe that Kabuto's back story will be critical to understanding the motives for his upcoming actions, and therefore to how the story evolves. Just like Nagato's back story was needed to explain why he attacked the Leaf so brutally, and then decided to revive the dead, even at the cost of his life.

    Kabuto is far more important to the plot than Nagato. He's been there since book 1 - in fact he was the first major villain, and I would not be surprised if he outlasts Tobi. I for one am very glad that we are finally learning who and what he is. The reason that his story leaves you (and me) indifferent emotionally is because Kabuto's character isn't designed to garner sympathy! He is this cold expressionless cynical killer that one just can't relate to, because he does not relate to people at all, except as tools or obstacles. Compared to him, even Tobi and Orochimaru are passionate social guys...
    Nevertheless, he is one of *the* major characters, and the only one (other than Tobi) that we knew almost nothing about till now. Time to change that, even if it delays the war resolution by a few weeks - it will make it all the more satisfying later.

    Just my view...
    I agree more or less.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    So basically Kabuto is an Oro junkie? Slammin the good stuff?! WTF!

    And I do agree with dude that this theme is overplayed, unless it is somewhat entwined with Izanagi, manipulating the past or something... catch yall nxt week
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    Kabuto is such a boring character...


    I knew.. one day.. his flashback time would come.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    this what i hate about kishi.Why don't he make kabuto's past spoliers episode instead making 2 or more chapters for that
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    whagwan wit suigetsu and the scroll he found!? If the suspense doesn't kill me , tobi will -_--
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by saltal View Post
    I don't think you can give constructive criticism at this point (you can always criticize, of course :-)). It's too early and you don't know where Kishi is leading the story.

    I believe that Kabuto's back story will be critical to understanding the motives for his upcoming actions, and therefore to how the story evolves. Just like Nagato's back story was needed to explain why he attacked the Leaf so brutally, and then decided to revive the dead, even at the cost of his life.
    I agree completely, but I think The Dark Moon is arguing that not every villain should have a motive, per se; some should just be crazy and go about wreaking havoc just for the lulz (i.e., the Joker). Personally, I prefer the former -- villains who actually have a reason (besides mental illness) for acting the way they do. In other words, villains that normal people can relate to on some level. Generally, these are the types that fall into the stereotype that The Dark Moon is criticizing.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Codex View Post
    I agree completely, but I think The Dark Moon is arguing that not every villain should have a motive, per se; some should just be crazy and go about wreaking havoc just for the lulz (i.e., the Joker). Personally, I prefer the former -- villains who actually have a reason (besides mental illness) for acting the way they do. In other words, villains that normal people can relate to on some level. Generally, these are the types that fall into the stereotype that The Dark Moon is criticizing.
    We had crazy villains like the Joker - Deidara and Hidan fit the bill perfectly...

    Kabuto can't be in that category, because he is too cold and calculating. I also don't think he'll follow in Nagato's footsteps and try to do good at the end. I think that Kabuto's backstory will show the reason for his slavish admiration of Orochimaru and why he took on his life goals. But I just can't see him turning against his mentor.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    If they are showing such an extensive flashback, it probably means curtains for Kabuto, so all you saying he will survive are wrong, lol. Flashback=death of the character.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    Im glad the flashback is long, we need to know more about Kabuto.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    For some reason I found Kabuto a lot more interesti g in part 1.
    He could've had his flashback back then.
    This flashback obviously has nothing that could'nt have been included in there, except perhaps Danzou.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 584 Spoilers Discussion

    IMO these flashbacks and the fact that every villain has a history that has brought him to commit the crimes he is committing makes the series much more realistic and more believable. If you look through RL history, all of the major 'Villains' had a goal or something that made them do what they did, no one is Evil and no one is Good. We just act in different ways to different events. This can be seen in comparison with Naruto to every other villain. Naruto went through a lot as a child but picked the path of good, while the villains picked the path of bad.
     
         

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