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    Re: Noone has fought full power Pein yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by caseygaming View Post
    naruto was full power against pein and his 6 paths
    Quote Originally Posted by roflcopter View Post
    Pein didnt have to use SHinra Tensei against J-man cuz he was already defeated by other techniques..





    Well some time ago I have already made my point about it. When Naruto will learn how to control Kyyubi - its his power. Now, the Kyyubio is a different creature, and if it relases 9t ( u say full power) then Naruto will not exist anymore... The only reason to use FOx power in this fight was to get rid of chakra blade in his hands ( huh naruto was alrady defeated).
    Then at his "almost Full power" ( as u say) he had 2 choices: whether to DIE and let fox destroy KOnoha or to supress FOX and go FULL POWER sage mode again.

    SO again. Right now, Kyybi is still a different creature that is Living in Naruto, which can be used to get a slight advantage for some amount of time ( like regeneration or freeing from some technique) but then it should be suppressed, otherwise Narutos gonna die. I think ugotmy point
    Talking about a 'fair battle' is one in which both sides concerned are at their 'highest possible' maximum ( full power )...In Pain's case, there was God Realm who was...'deactivated' at the time and Nagato having used up 'so much chakra' as Konan put it...in Naruto's case, he hasn't even learned how to reach his 'highest possible' maximum which is, of course, a controlled Kyuubi state ( where, like with Killerbee, the number of tails has no difference in the amount of control he has. though I hope Kishi will not have Naruto transform into Kyuubi like Killerbee and his beast, no matter how much control Naruto has in that state.) ...So, in fact, this battle WAS fair because none of them ( Pain and Naruto ) were at their full power, that is, their 'highest possible' maximum )...Pain was cool, very cool, strong, very strong...but he was indeed weaker than Naruto...
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    Now concerning Kyuubi...
    ...Have you ever been at war with your own body? Your head tells you one thing and your groin seems to be doing another...just because it's not listening to your rational thoughts doesn't mean it's still not a part of your body...
    ...
    ...It's the same with Kyuubi and Naruto...
     
         
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    Re: Noone has fought full power Pein yet.

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    Talking about a 'fair battle' is one in which both sides concerned are at their 'highest possible' maximum ( full power )...In Pain's case, there was God Realm who was...'deactivated' at the time and Nagato having used up 'so much chakra' as Konan put it...in Naruto's case, he hasn't even learned how to reach his 'highest possible' maximum which is, of course, a controlled Kyuubi state ( where, like with Killerbee, the number of tails has no difference in the amount of control he has. though I hope Kishi will not have Naruto transform into Kyuubi like Killerbee and his beast, no matter how much control Naruto has in that state.) ...So, in fact, this battle WAS fair because none of them ( Pain and Naruto ) were at their full power, that is, their 'highest possible' maximum )...Pain was cool, very cool, strong, very strong...but he was indeed weaker than Naruto...
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    Now concerning Kyuubi...
    ...Have you ever been at war with your own body? Your head tells you one thing and your groin seems to be doing another...just because it's not listening to your rational thoughts doesn't mean it's still not a part of your body...
    ...
    ...It's the same with Kyuubi and Naruto...



    Highest possible maximum huh? Wtf are u talking about? It is possible for me to lift 200 kg however i can not do it right now but it is indeed possible. Still my FULL POWER at normal state is 140. Not more, not less. If i dont eat or dont sleep for a day, my power will drop to 100-110 - "Pein has used up a lot of chakra"

    Naruto lifts 300 now. IT IS MAYBE possible for him to lift 600 but he cant do it right now... right now his FULL POWER at normal state is 300, how cant u get that guys... IF IF IF he controls kybbi his highest possible maximum is 600... but now at his normal state is still 300...

    Assuming Pein could lift 300 too, but at weakened state (no sleep etc here - use of chakra, disabld body) he could lift only 250. mEANS his full power at normal state is still 300 ;/ But he wasnt at that state and i already explained why.

    So the fair fight is when the two meet at their full power at normal state - with sleep and food ;/


    Now concerning Kyuubi...
    ...Have you ever been at war with your own body? Your head tells you one thing and your groin seems to be doing another...just because it's not listening to your rational thoughts doesn't mean it's still not a part of your body...Now concerning Kyuubi...
    ...Have you ever been at war with your own body? Your head tells you one thing and your groin seems to be doing another...just because it's not listening to your rational thoughts doesn't mean it's still not a part of your body...

    1) You will never hit friends
    2) You are still somehow under control, if you're absolutely not u're a psycho and should be isolated from society.
    3) War? No, i havent. Or do you mean fights? Yes I have, I have p[articipated in many challenges and championships. The body doesnt move itself, its adrenaline and stress which allows us to do things we would nver do before/ we dont want. But still to some extend. Kyybi however is absolutely different creature that controls body and u absolutely cant feel what you do.
     
         

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    Re: Noone has fought full power Pein yet.

    roflcopter i agree 100%

    Ive been saying for ages now narutos opponents never use their full strength against him.

    Pain was weakened and didnt use all his jutsu against naruto, naruto always has an easy time with enemies, i say this often and everyone disagrees, but its nice to see someone who finally sees what i see lol
     
         

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    Re: Noone has fought full power Pein yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by roflcopter View Post
    Highest possible maximum huh? Wtf are u talking about? It is possible for me to lift 200 kg however i can not do it right now but it is indeed possible. Still my FULL POWER at normal state is 140. Not more, not less. If i dont eat or dont sleep for a day, my power will drop to 100-110 - "Pein has used up a lot of chakra"

    Naruto lifts 300 now. IT IS MAYBE possible for him to lift 600 but he cant do it right now... right now his FULL POWER at normal state is 300, how cant u get that guys... IF IF IF he controls kybbi his highest possible maximum is 600... but now at his normal state is still 300...

    Assuming Pein could lift 300 too, but at weakened state (no sleep etc here - use of chakra, disabld body) he could lift only 250. mEANS his full power at normal state is still 300 ;/ But he wasnt at that state and i already explained why.

    So the fair fight is when the two meet at their full power at normal state - with sleep and food ;/





    1) You will never hit friends
    2) You are still somehow under control, if you're absolutely not u're a psycho and should be isolated from society.
    3) War? No, i havent. Or do you mean fights? Yes I have, I have p[articipated in many challenges and championships. The body doesnt move itself, its adrenaline and stress which allows us to do things we would nver do before/ we dont want. But still to some extend. Kyybi however is absolutely different creature that controls body and u absolutely cant feel what you do.
    I understand you perfectly...you are very correct...and so am I...this thread said 'full power' without any more specifications...Which gives room for us to assume the 'full power' was a state where Pain used all his jutsus ( with all his bodies functioning properly ) and had all his chakra available while Naruto could control Kyuubi...That is exactly what I have assumed, "full power" of both sides...so I say this fight was fair because Kishi...removed both advantages from Pain ( chakra, jutsus and deactivated God Realm ) and Naruto ( could not control Kyuubi )...that, I think, put them on the same level...
    ...and about Kyuubi...
    ...I said "at war with your body"...pick out the contextual meaning of those words...and I also said "groin"...look it up and I think you would understand...
     
         

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    Re: Noone has fought full power Pein yet.

    Well then you should have put it as "full possible power" for Naruto. Then I agree.
     
         

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    Re: Noone has fought full power Pein yet.

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    That's a fair chance. Deidara used Gara's weakness against him and made him waste his chakra for village as well. But he was also able to panetrate Gara's ultimate defence. ....



    Again, I agree with you. But, in Naruto verse, as in real world, there are never fights on equal grounds. Not even in Chunin exams.

    Peoples fighting skills include strategic thinking and plans. Pain also had an advantage- he didn't care for Konoha. Tsunade did. So she ended up using her chakra on the villagers defence instead of punching Pain. he did the similar thing as Deidara.

    He had the advantage of surprise attack and power of rinnegan. We have seen that only Kakashi and Tsunade were in the village among top Konoha shinabies. Uchihas are dead or on the run. Huga's were away with the exception of Hinata. Even Team Gai and Yamato, Sai and Anko were absent. Kurenai was Pregnanat and Asuma dead.

    Pain got advantage of the damage Orochimaru had done to the village before- less shinbis and top ranking had to cover for less important missions too.

    It is a war...

    Naruto also came back from his training. He has been practicing day and night. Pa toad even didn't know about his night training. Naruto didn't even get to perfect his traiing. he had learnt frog kata but pa toad said he needed practice. It's not like he had any advantage being fresh. I wonder if he didn't feel some kind of jet lag when summonned like that?

    Naruto is a kid, Nagato and adult experience shinobi at his prime. One who was leader of several experience shinbis.. They didn't know about Madara but let Pain lead them.




    Jiraiya was on disadvantage. He was inside the enemy hideout. The rain was Pain's chakra made and he could locate any intrusion almost instantly. pain knew about Jiraiaya's fighting method, Jiraiya didn't know what was the game plan until it was too late.He didn't get much time once he got trapped.

    Jiraiya could still escape though. Pa frog suggested that. He chose to stay in and die... Maybe if he would have left - pa toad could reverse summon with him if nothing else, he could fight another day...

    Asuma was at a disadvantage with Hidan, with proper planning, Shikamru was able to take him out....

    It is comapring apples with oranges....
    well i agree wit u simply because.... u understand anything can happen in naruto world...
    Jus like i do.... So my thinkin actions is based on real world naruto....
    which usually leads me to disagree wit alot of ppl....

    but on a side note.... i hate for the writers to display a characters skills so greatly....
    to turn around and loose so easily.... that also affect my decisions on alot of things....
     
         

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    Re: Noone has fought full power Pein yet.

    As much as everyone liked to see Naruto win and avenge those who were killed by Pain, it is obvious that Pain wasn't at his full power when fighting Naruto. Naruto came back seconds after god realm demolished Konoha with Shinra Tensei, and Konan said that the bodies would need time to recover. Also, considering god realm was powerless for the first part of the battle, this put Pain at a disadvantage, allowing Naruto to dominate early on. Even with that disadvantage, god realm managed to defeat Naruto in chapter 437 by stabbing him in multiple places with the black chakra receivers, thus preventing Naruto from moving. Fortunately, Hinata arrived at just the right time, and by being defeated by Pain, allowed Naruto to transform, out of anger, into his six-tailed state. If Hinata weren't there to take the fall in front of Naruto, he would have definitely lost the fight. So yes, no one has truly fought Pain at his full power yet, but just maybe...someone might.
     
         

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    Re: Noone has fought full power Pein yet.

    apart from the 3rd point (pain did use his 'eye tech' ie overpowering other's chakra with his own), u r right on the money. i(and others) have been posting similar comments in MH and there is almost a consensus abt this. frankly this is quite obvious. one more thing is, pain had to get naruto alive which is much more difficult. after god pain regained his power, he had few chances to kill naruto.

    anyway, this is not to undermine naruto character fan. bcos i am one of them. but lets call spade a spade. naruto is a 16 yr old kid, who has just had only a month of sage training, to think he is gonna destroy(at this point) the strongest ninja(when full powered) with strongest eyes is just wishful thinking. kudos to kishi for making the story realistic and not cheap and giving pain handicap b4 the fight. and props to naruto to come this far, no other character(apart from madara maybe) wud have achieved this, against half/quarter strength of nagato.

    on the other side i dont agree with anti-naruto guys who think naruto always gets easy fight, bcos thats not the case. period.
     
         
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