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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Yes sasuke has to have tsukuyomi cause the third power is Susanoo so you must have Amaterasu and tsukuyomi.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by -Vegeta- View Post
    Not all MS users awaken the same jutsu. Shisui is proof of that. It matters not if it takes a lot of chakra considering Sasuke has been spamming MS jutsu all of which take a considerable amount of chakra nonstop since he acquired EMS.
    sasuke has itachi's eyes and his ocular powers though? so i am sure he has that advanced genjustsu. sasuke is not a heavy user though, and this is his first fight using itachi's eyes. i am sure we will see it later on. since he as itachi's eye techs plus his own.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapid View Post
    Yes sasuke has to have tsukuyomi cause the third power is Susanoo so you must have Amaterasu and tsukuyomi.
    That stands just for Itachi. Here Sasuke clearly states that you need to master both Mangekyos to awaken Susano'o.

     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasenloki View Post
    sasuke has itachi's eyes and his ocular powers though? so i am sure he has that advanced genjustsu. sasuke is not a heavy user though, and this is his first fight using itachi's eyes. i am sure we will see it later on. since he as itachi's eye techs plus his own.
    Never was it stated that taking anothers eyes also gives them their jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    i agree, i dont think suske has it

    btw kakashi awakened MS..he doesn seem to have those 3 powers..so it can be said there are other ways to awaken MS
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapid View Post
    Hmm I guess
    Blaze release isn't one of the three technique giving to you by ms.Sasuke is just manipulating Amaterasu flames.First MS technique was and still is Tsukiyomi.When Sasuke cast his genjutsu on Danzo he had both MS eyes activated.So until someone can name that genjutsu Sasuke was using with his MS eye, then it was Tsukiyomi.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasenloki View Post
    i am just saying because he did not use it does not mean he does not have it, why would itachi's eyes being given to sasuke not have tsukuyomi also? makes no sense to me. itachi is a edo sasuke is not and tsukuyomi takes a lot of chakra does it not?
    Quote Originally Posted by choft View Post
    If Sasuke has Tsukyomi, then why does it say "Genjutsu - Sharingan" on Sasuke's panel, rather than "Tsukyomi"? Surely if Sasuke had it, it would say "Tsukyomi", just like the panel for Itachi does.
    Like i said before Sasuke used tsukiyomi on bee danzo n just now on itachi.

    Evident is the ms being activated for all 3 scenarios, than the other person is in a black n white background.

    If you continue reading those pages during sasuke fighting bee n danzo u will see he is using tsukiyomi.

    And sasuke doesnt say genjutsu sharingan. Both itachi and sasuke are saying it simutanesly.. Tsukiyomi is a genjutsu of the sharingan. But anyways how can sasuke use a regular sharingan genjutsu when his ms is activated. The chapter is showing the teamwork of both sasuke n itachi and they are both using the same jutus at the same time like amaterasu sasunoo n yes tsukiyomi.

    You think sasuke would cancel the genjutsu on itachi with a regular genjutsu? Are u fools? Like i said befire you guys fail. This thread shouldnt be discussed nor disputed or should have gone to the 2nd page. Im amazed at the amount of noobs on this site.

    Its clearly evident that sasuke used tsukiyomi multiple times in the past and ya are discussing it. Idiots..
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by natssuu View Post
    That stands just for Itachi. Here Sasuke clearly states that you need to master both Mangekyos to awaken Susano'o.

    Sasuke said the third power was susanoo,, and shisui mastered Ms in both eye did he have susanoo??
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by GodaimeRaikage View Post
    Blaze release isn't one of the three technique giving to you by ms.Sasuke is just manipulating Amaterasu flames.First MS technique was and still is Tsukiyomi.When Sasuke cast his genjutsu on Danzo he had both MS eyes activated.So until someone can name that genjutsu Sasuke was using with his MS eye, then it was Tsukiyomi.
    yeah, the genjutsu is called genjutsu
    why do you have to complicate everything?

    it's pretty obvious that Sasuke has blaze release in his right eye, it's been obvious since the Kage meeting when he could have used Tsukoyomi on C instead of regular genjutsu. we saw him manipulating Amaterasu with his right eye and since each eye has only one power, Sasuke doesn't have Tsukoyomi. it's that simple.



    Quote Originally Posted by Rapid View Post
    Sasuke said the third power was susanoo,, and shisui mastered Ms in both eye did he have susanoo??
    we can't know if Shisui had Susano'o and it doesn't matter. Tobi said not everybody awakens Susano'o.
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    People seem to go off into their on word and refuse to used anything that resembles logic.
    When Sasuke awaken his MS, he recieved Amaterasu and Susanoo, and a unknown genjutsu.Throughout the manga we have seen pages saying the three powers, you must awaken, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi to get Susanoo, and so on and so forth.Now Sasuke gets three powers when he awoke his MS, and we are trying to dispute what the genjutsu is.A genjutsu we never saw Sasuke used before he awaken his MS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makz View Post
    yeah, the genjutsu is called genjutsu
    why do you have to complicate everything?

    it's pretty obvious that Sasuke has blaze release in his right eye, it's been obvious since the Kage meeting when he could have used Tsukoyomi on C instead of regular genjutsu. we saw him manipulating Amaterasu with his right eye and since each eye has only one power, Sasuke doesn't have Tsukoyomi. it's that simple.


    we can't know if Shisui had Susano'o and it doesn't matter. Tobi said not everybody awakens Susano'o.
    And you prove that how? Sasuke has the ability to manipulate the black flames of Amaterasu with his other eye, but that isn't a power granted to you by awaken MS, no more than Kotoamatsukami is.The ability to manipulate the black flames is something Sasuke created just like Kotoamatsukami is something Shisui created.And you discredited your own nonsense when you said each eyes has one power.If MS only allows you to have one diiferent power in each eye, how did Shisui manage to have Kotoamatsukami in both his eyes?

    You failed kid.
     
         
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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoVsGoku View Post
    And sasuke doesnt say genjutsu sharingan. Both itachi and sasuke are saying it simutanesly.. Tsukiyomi is a genjutsu of the sharingan. But anyways how can sasuke use a regular sharingan genjutsu when his ms is activated. The chapter is showing the teamwork of both sasuke n itachi and they are both using the same jutus at the same time like amaterasu sasunoo n yes tsukiyomi.
    Where did you get the idea that Itachi and Sasuke are saying "Genjutsu - Sharingan" simultaneously? It's pretty clear that on Sasuke's panel it says "Genjutsu - Sharingan", and on Itachi's it says "Tsukiyomi".

    Here is another panel:

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/574/11

    Again, it doesn't say "Tsukyomi" but "Sharingan". Not once, have I ever seen the word "Tsukyomi" when Sasuke is using his Genjutsu.

    You think sasuke would cancel the genjutsu on itachi with a regular genjutsu?
    That was not their purpose at all. The purpose of putting Genjutsu on each other was simply to disrupt their chakra so they could esape the sound genjutsu. It has nothing to do with negating each other's jutsu.

    And, even assuming that Sasuke does have Tsukyomi, by your logic, Sasuke would still be in a Genjutsu, because Itachi's Genjutsu is stronger than Sasuke's. So clearly that was not the purpose of putting a Genjutsu on each other.

    Again, I ask you. Why does it say "Genjutsu - Sharingan", on Sasuke's panel, and not "Tsukyomi"?
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    I have read through this thread, and what I can say is, he does have Tsukuyomi.
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    go re-read the last chapter. IT is obvious sasuke used tsukuyomi. Just use your brain for a second. Sasuke gained a new genjutsu once he got MS that has not been named along with amaterasu and susanoo?! What do you guys think it´s the name of that genjutsu?! Even danzo said that sasuke tsukuyomi was far below itachis.... And on the last chapter it is not sasuke saying sharingan genjutsu. Kishi is showing the teammwork between the brothers and explaining they are using a sharingan genjutsu tsukyomi. THere are no bubbles, only letters at the top on a different font which suggests both of them said or kishi is simply explaining what they are doing. If you think otherwise you are wrong i am sorry.
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    all of you, good people, are full of crap
    let's start things off


    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoVsGoku View Post
    Like i said before Sasuke used tsukiyomi on bee danzo n just now on itachi.

    Evident is the ms being activated for all 3 scenarios, than the other person is in a black n white background.

    If you continue reading those pages during sasuke fighting bee n danzo u will see he is using tsukiyomi.

    And sasuke doesnt say genjutsu sharingan. Both itachi and sasuke are saying it simutanesly.. Tsukiyomi is a genjutsu of the sharingan. But anyways how can sasuke use a regular sharingan genjutsu when his ms is activated. The chapter is showing the teamwork of both sasuke n itachi and they are both using the same jutus at the same time like amaterasu sasunoo n yes tsukiyomi.

    You think sasuke would cancel the genjutsu on itachi with a regular genjutsu? Are u fools? Like i said befire you guys fail. This thread shouldnt be discussed nor disputed or should have gone to the 2nd page. Im amazed at the amount of noobs on this site.

    Its clearly evident that sasuke used tsukiyomi multiple times in the past and ya are discussing it. Idiots..
    I went through the manga and your little theory that everything goes black and white during Tsukoyomi.
    In the battle with Danzo there was no such page.
    When Sasuke casted genjutsu on Itachi he didn't go black-white. http://178.21.19.200/manga/mangas/Na...0Myself/13.png

    The only "proof" you have it that could have been cast on Bee. http://94.23.34.161/manga/mangas/Nar...ling%20/09.png
    However, Tsukoyomi is a genjutsu that sends you to the hospital in literally one second. The hachibi couldn't possibly dispell the genjutsu in less than one second because we actually see Bee thinking he is paralyzed and falling on the floor. Also, if Sasuke could use Tsukoyomi, I'm sure he wouldn't let himself get stabbed by Danzo using a regular genjutsu.

    Next, how can Sasuke use genjutsu when he has MS activated? Simple.
    How can Madara use Susano'o when he has Rinnegan activated? http://178.21.19.200/manga/mangas/Na...0Madara/15.png
    Having advanced dojutsu doesn't mean you can't use the previous powers.

    It's not about breaking from genjutsu, it's about nullifying the first genjutsu with a more powerful one. For example, Shisui's Komoamatsukami breaking Edo Tensei. I'm sure we can all agree that an Uchiha genjutsu is more powerful than Tayuya's sound genjutsu. So what's the problem? Once the weaker genjutsu is gone, the second one takes effect and it can be dispelled at will from the caster. That's what the Uchiha brothers did anyway.

    And what gives you the right to call people idiots? Seriously? Everyone has the right to their opinion and you haven't done much to disprove anyone thinking Sasuke doesn't have Tsukoyomi.



    Quote Originally Posted by GodaimeRaikage View Post
    And you prove that how? Sasuke has the ability to manipulate the black flames of Amaterasu with his other eye, but that isn't a power granted to you by awaken MS, no more than Kotoamatsukami is.The ability to manipulate the black flames is something Sasuke created just like Kotoamatsukami is something Shisui created.And you discredited your own nonsense when you said each eyes has one power.If MS only allows you to have one diiferent power in each eye, how did Shisui manage to have Kotoamatsukami in both his eyes?

    You failed kid.
    How do you know Shisui had Komoamatsukami in both eyes? We never saw Danzo using Shisui's MS. For all we know Danzo could have casted a normal genjutsu on Mifune. Please, show me where is it said that he had Komoamatsukami in both eyes.

    How exactly did I discredit myself? You are the one who has no proof whatsoever that could even suggest your theory. By the way, where did anyone say that everyone must have a physical and a genjutsu MS power? As far as I know, Kakashi has space-time ninjutsu which sends people and things in another dimension. Tobi can travel through dimensions himself with his sharingan.

    Don't patronize me. I backed up my theory, now you back up yours.


    Quote Originally Posted by iknowwhotobiis View Post
    go re-read the last chapter. IT is obvious sasuke used tsukuyomi. Just use your brain for a second. Sasuke gained a new genjutsu once he got MS that has not been named along with amaterasu and susanoo?! What do you guys think it´s the name of that genjutsu?! Even danzo said that sasuke tsukuyomi was far below itachis.... And on the last chapter it is not sasuke saying sharingan genjutsu. Kishi is showing the teammwork between the brothers and explaining they are using a sharingan genjutsu tsukyomi. THere are no bubbles, only letters at the top on a different font which suggests both of them said or kishi is simply explaining what they are doing. If you think otherwise you are wrong i am sorry.
    Again, how do you know Sasuke gained a new genjutsu with MS? Does anyone ever say anything about it in the manga? Sasuke himself never said the word Tsukoyomi. Danzo said Sasuke's illusion was inferior to Itachi's Tsukoyomi. You are the one who should re-read the manga. It's on chapter 478, so go ahead.

    If they were actually saying it together, that's something we won't know for sure until the anime gets to that point. Either that or we see something in the manga that could prove beyond any doubt that Sasuke has Tsukoyomi. Prove me wrong then. Give me some conclusive proof and I'll admit I'm wrong.
     
         
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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

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    Again, how do you know Sasuke gained a new genjutsu with MS? Does anyone ever say anything about it in the manga? Sasuke himself never said the word Tsukoyomi. Danzo said Sasuke's illusion was inferior to Itachi's Tsukoyomi. You are the done who should re-read the manga. It's on chapter 478, so go ahead.

    If they were actually saying it together, that's something we won't know for sure until the anime gets to that point. Either that or we see something in the manga that could prove beyond any doubt that Sasuke has Tsukoyomi. Prove me wrong then. Give me some conclusive proof and I'll admit I'm wrong.
    why would danzo compare a normal sharingan genjutsu to tsukiyomi since it will obvisouly be inferior?! And why would sasuke activate his MS/EMS everytime he uses that "genjutsu". For all I know the only genjutsu that u need MS or EMS to perform is tsukiyomi. It has not been directly stated in the manga but implied. And regarding to the last chapter what do you think happened then?! Why would itachi use tsukiyomi to disactivate something you can do with a normal genjutsu (assuming sasuke didnt use tsuki)?! Why waste his chakra?!

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/480/4

    tobi implies sasuke used tuskiy. He could just have said "it is no match for itachi genjutsu" but he specifically says to itachi tsykiyomi. If that is not enough evidence for you. There is no other way to change your mind and let´s call it different opinion/way to read the manga.
     
         
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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Wouldn't Danzo then say something like: "Your Tsukoyomi can't compare to Itachi's." ? He obviously wanted to piss off Sasuke, that's why he mentioned Itachi in the first place.

    About last chapter, I truly can't give you an answer because we don't know enough. All I can say, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that ninja revived with Edo Tensei have unlimited chakra? I've never seen one of them getting tired or running out of chakra...
     
         
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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Makz View Post
    Wouldn't Danzo then say something like: "Your Tsukoyomi can't compare to Itachi's." ? He obviously wanted to piss off Sasuke, that's why he mentioned Itachi in the first place.

    About last chapter, I truly can't give you an answer because we don't know enough. All I can say, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that ninja revived with Edo Tensei have unlimited chakra? I've never seen one of them getting tired or running out of chakra...
    the kage that fought gaara (2nd mizukage i believe) seemed to be low in chakra after using the jouky boy that´s why he decided to hide. In the last chapter, sasuke just asked itachi if he can still use susanoo which implies itachi is running out of chakra.
     
         
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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoVsGoku View Post
    All of you epically fail.!

    Sasuke has used tsukyomi on killer bee, danzo and just now in the last chapter.

    Sasuke and itachi both used tsukyomi to cancel out the genjutsu used by kabutos tayuya flute.

    This thread fails. Go reread the manga instead of giving false info noobs
    if thats the case, kishi wouldnt have taken the time to write something different for sasuke for the SAME jutsu used at the same time.... that indicates sasukes genjutsu is different from itachi's
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Animeisalive View Post
    if thats the case, kishi wouldnt have taken the time to write something different for sasuke for the SAME jutsu used at the same time.... that indicates sasukes genjutsu is different from itachi's
    he did not write something different what are you talking about?!
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by iknowwhotobiis View Post
    tobi implies sasuke used tuskiy. He could just have said "it is no match for itachi genjutsu" but he specifically says to itachi tsykiyomi. If that is not enough evidence for you. There is no other way to change your mind and let´s call it different opinion/way to read the manga.
    That's just semantics. When he says "Itachi's tsukiyomi" he is referring to the fact that Tsukiyomi is Itachi's technique. I'm pretty sure it's never been outwardly stated that Sasuke has this technique.

    It also doesn't make sense that Sasuke wouldn't use it in the current chapter.

    What I AM fairly certain of is that BOTH of Sasuke's eyes go into using Blaze Release. One eye casts Ameterasu, the other one controls it. Combined, you get Blaze release. I'm pretty sure this was pointed out by an observer during a fight somewhere around the 5 Kage Summit. Could be wrong though.
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    It is probably Tsukiyomi but because Sasuke cannot manipulate time in the genjutsu, his version is still like a normal genjutsu, hence why Kishi states Sharingan Genjutsu even though his MS is activated. Whereas because of Itachi full mastery of it, gets the full title.
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyB View Post
    That's just semantics. When he says "Itachi's tsukiyomi" he is referring to the fact that Tsukiyomi is Itachi's technique. I'm pretty sure it's never been outwardly stated that Sasuke has this technique.

    It also doesn't make sense that Sasuke wouldn't use it in the current chapter.

    What I AM fairly certain of is that BOTH of Sasuke's eyes go into using Blaze Release. One eye casts Ameterasu, the other one controls it. Combined, you get Blaze release. I'm pretty sure this was pointed out by an observer during a fight somewhere around the 5 Kage Summit. Could be wrong though.
    I am fairly positive he used tsukiy in today´s chapter. There are no bubbles around the words. In addition, they are written in a different font meaning those are titles given by kishi to explain that both bros used a genjutsu sharingan aka tsuki to counter kabuto genjutsu. Or you believe EMS genjutsu sasuke used it´s called sharingan genjutsu?! lol
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by iknowwhotobiis View Post
    the kage that fought gaara (2nd mizukage i believe) seemed to be low in chakra after using the jouky boy that´s why he decided to hide. In the last chapter, sasuke just asked itachi if he can still use susanoo which implies itachi is running out of chakra.
    All I see is tobi referencing back to what Danzo said, he also said Sasuke's genjutsu was weak, maybe referring to a normal genjutsu? http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/480/6
    As you said, it's a matter of opinion so no point arguing about that.

    Having said that, my reasoning would explain that you do not need a normal sharingan to cast a normal genjutsu. I'm still not convinced about the chakra. I mean, he is casting Izanagi and that requires time and chakra I guess. Maybe Sasuke thought he couldn't do both at the same time? It's hard to say.

    P.S. I was reading the part with Jouki Boy. I couldn't find anything about his chakra levels, just that his technique has a side effect, making him really weak.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/557/4
     
         
    Last edited by Makz; 05-09-2012 at 02:26 PM.

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by iknowwhotobiis View Post
    I am fairly positive he used tsukiy in today´s chapter. There are no bubbles around the words. In addition, they are written in a different font meaning those are titles given by kishi to explain that both bros used a genjutsu sharingan aka tsuki to counter kabuto genjutsu. Or you believe EMS genjutsu sasuke used it´s called sharingan genjutsu?! lol
    I don't think it's the name of his Genjutsu, but it's not Tsukyomi. Otherwise it would have said "Tsukyomi".

    Sasuke using a Genjutsu again:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/574/11

    It doesn't say "Tsukyomi", just "Sharingan", so it isn't Tsukyomi - just some visual Genjutsu we don't know the name of.

    Not once have I seen the words "Tsukyomi" when Sasuke used it, yet in today's chapter we see "Tsukyomi" when Itachi used it.
     
         

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