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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoKage2 View Post
    try again, noob. It has'nt been stated anywhere that Sasuke's genjutsu is tsukuyomi. It HAS been stated tho that his genjutsu is 'nothing compared to Itachi's tsukuyomi'.
    What does this look like then? http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sa..._tsukuyomi.jpg. Grow up kid and stop acting so smug over the internet. It just makes you look bad. Danzo doesn't deny it like you think and if you think he does, you're just bad at reading

    Danzo says Sasuke's version is not able to alter the perception of time like Itachi's and therefore is an inferior version. Still doesn't ring any bell?
     
         
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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Higekage View Post
    Even says it is in the naruto wiki (Which is a good source), as if it hasn't already basically been confirmed in the manga. Grow up kid and stop acting so smug over the internet. It just makes you look bad
    Naruto wiki is written by anyone. I could've written that entry. It's the least reliable source among those available to us. You should be referring to the manga and then the databooks before going to the wiki. Hell, I could edit Itachi's wiki page and say that his Tsukiyomi is now Tsukutomi after the typo in the latest release. It's meant to be a nice reference tool, but not as a proven and absolute base of information. For example, if I forget the full name of a jutsu I'm looking for, I go there. For this type of argument, the resource is useless. This goes to everyone.

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    *just here to see what leafeater post*
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by leafeater View Post
    Naruto wiki is written by anyone. I could've written that entry. It's the least reliable source among those available to us. You should be referring to the manga and then the databooks before going to the wiki. Hell, I could edit Itachi's wiki page and say that his Tsukiyomi is now Tsukutomi after the typo in the latest release. It's meant to be a nice reference tool, but not as a proven and absolute base of information. For example, if I forget the full name of a jutsu I'm looking for, I go there. For this type of argument, the resource is useless. This goes to everyone.

    Peace
    I know what a wiki site is, but it does contain pictures and references to the manga. And with my edited post I posted a simple picture from nw to prove the obvious point that Sasuke uses Tsukuyomi which no one can deny
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    This is what i believe and ive been saying it over and over again. Sasuke genjutsu doesnt fulfil the requirements to be called tsukuyomi and thats not only what danzo basically says, the manga also says it. When both used amaterasu the manga stated amaterasu for both, when both used genjutsu the manga clearly differentiated between the two techniques. Itachi said tsukuyomi and sasuke said sharingan genjutsu.

    Also note that sasuke activated his ms to use that genjutsu on danzo. According to the way tsukuyomi works, atleast itachi's, only a true heir of the sharingan a blood relative can break it and yet danzo broke it the normal way by releasing it;



    Danzo broke out of sasuke's genjutsu because it wasnt tsukuyomi. He cannot do what he did to sasuke's genjutsu if it was tsukuyomi. He released it the same way you release genjutsu. Sasuke has even said shanringan genjutsu in the latest chapter and that genjutsu can be released the normal way.

    So either sasuke does have tsukuyomi, but because its no where near itachi's level its never really been noted to be tsukuyomi either by danzo who mocked him or by kishi himself, or he has another type of genjutsu that requires the ms.

    What i find funny the most is that when sasuke activated his ms to use genjutsu it failed on his opponents and these were bee and danzo, yet when he was in base and used genjutsu it worked on C and im certain c is a sensor
     
         
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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Higekage View Post

    Danzo says Sasuke's version is not able to alter the perception of time like Itachi's and therefore is an inferior version. Still doesn't ring any bell?
    It seems that some people misread that part.




    ''Congratulations on casting illusion on me, but that's nothing compared to Itachi's Tsukiyomi''

    He clearly compared Sasuke's genjutsu to Itachi's Tsukiyomi.
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    *just here to see what leafeater post*
    lol, I'm trying to stay out of this for the most part. I just wanted to note a correction. Sorry to disappoint... :shrug: Last time I tried to broker peace with these guys, I failed miserably and engendered a flame war instead! :sy:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Higekage View Post
    I know what a wiki site is, but it does contain pictures and references to the manga. And with my edited post I posted a simple picture from nw to prove the obvious point that Sasuke uses Tsukuyomi which no one can deny
    Great evidence. The anime pic is worthless in this manga forum. It's from the anime, which Kishi has no direct involvement with. I take it you know that the anime is not cannon with respect to the manga, and thus, it's not applicable in the manga forum? This also further proves my point regarding Naruto wiki... As well as the additional point of it being misused, lol.

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    Only by a similar screenshot with the same license status


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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    But if Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi, then what is the name of his other MS technique? "Genjutsu Sharingan"? Seems kinda weird.
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    But if Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi, then what is the name of his other MS technique? "Genjutsu Sharingan"? Seems kinda weird.
    That technique is Sasuke's own, Sasuke just hasn't bothered to give a name to it. And some people ignores(Those who believe Sasuke has Tsukiyomi) what Tobi said about Sasuke's Mangekyo technique.

     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by natssuu View Post
    That technique is Sasuke's own, Sasuke just hasn't bothered to give a name to it. And some people ignores(Those who believe Sasuke has Tsukiyomi) what Tobi said about Sasuke's Mangekyo technique.

    So if thats Sasuke's own jutsu, and not his MS technique, then what is his MS technique?
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    So if thats Sasuke's own jutsu, and not his MS technique, then what is his MS technique?
    It's his own MS technique*
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoKage2 View Post
    What does putting up a spoiler have to do with anything?

    Danzo said its nothing like Itachi's tsukuyomi, what do you think that means?

    You are a retard.


    try again, noob. It has'nt been stated anywhere that Sasuke's genjutsu is tsukuyomi. It HAS been stated tho that his genjutsu is 'nothing compared to Itachi's tsukuyomi'.
    it means your a *****.....

    Danzo said its nothing like Itachi's Tsukioymi, it means exactly that fool. He didnt say that its not Tsukiyomi. he is comparing it to Itachi's and said that Itachi was able to control time and space. its exactly like how C compared Sasukes amaterasu to Itachi's and said that Sasukes was better because he can manipulate Amaterasu to different shapes where as Itachi couldnt.

    Danzo comparing Sasukes genjutsu to Itachis Tsukiyomi is an implication that Sasuke is using Tsukiyomi. also the fact that Danzo's background went black and white, which is a characteristic of Tsukiyomi, is a dead giveaway that Sasuke is using Tsukiyomi.....

    Same as when he used it on Bee. i cant fathom how you guys say Sasuke never used Tsukiyomi but Bee was in a black and white backgorund when Sasuke casted a genjutsu on him!

    calling me retard but if i am so than want does that make you? what do you call a person who is far dumber than a retard? not only are you a noob but you are dumber than a retard. how sad:shrug:

    btw @nattsuu... why havent you replied to me? you asked me to show you proof why your wrong and you avoid me like a *****
     
         
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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Higekage View Post
    I know what a wiki site is, but it does contain pictures and references to the manga. And with my edited post I posted a simple picture from nw to prove the obvious point that Sasuke uses Tsukuyomi which no one can deny



    No one can deny? First of all, saying "But it's nothing compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi." could mean two things, depending on how it's said. And, in the manga, is impossible to tell. If you're right, it would mean that he's comparing Sasuke's (Tsukuyomi) to Itachi's. If I'm right, it would mean that he's simply using Tsukuyomi as a Possessive Noun, saying that Sasuke's genjutsu is nothing compared to the Tsukuyomi, in which only Itachi has. Get the problem here? :shrug:

    I believe the latter, because his genjutsu has never been referred to as Tsukuyomi in the manga, and in this instance, Danzo only refers to the genjutsu as "an illusion", while he follows by calling Itachi's most powerful genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, by name.

    And this brings me to two other of my posts, which as far as I'm concerned were never acknowledged.

    Quote Originally Posted by Inichi Matsuka View Post
    This should about sum it up.



    As stated by Tobi here, "It's a weak genjutsu that doesn't last long. But the trick is knowing when to use it..."

    So if Sasuke had MS at this point, (which he did obviously) it can be inferred that he has Tsukuyomi, but if he had it, wouldn't he have used it by now? I think that people mix up that he used it on Danzo because I think the anime said that. Although I'm not sure.. And if he hadn't used Tsukuyomi on Danzo, then he definitely didn't use it on Bee. Plus, most eyes have specific techniques. The reason Sasuke has Amaterasu is because Itachi transferred that power to him, which leads me to believe he didn't transfer Tsukuyomi.
    Quote Originally Posted by Inichi Matsuka View Post
    Well, how do you know he has it? Itachi (probably not Susano'o but a thought) might have just transferred Amaterasu and Susano'o to Sasuke. (This part's more plausible) However, he might not have transferred Tsukuyomi to him because his plan was to trap Sasuke under Kotoamatsukami in the future, and if he had Tsukuyomi, there would be a chance of him breaking out of it. Plus, not every Mangekyo Sharingan has Tsukuyomi either, so that's why I say this.

    But seriously, if Sasuke can say "Genjutsu Sharingan!" why wouldn't he say "Tsukuyomi" if he had it?

    Hope this clears things up.
     
         
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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoVsGoku View Post

    btw @nattsuu... why havent you replied to me? you asked me to show you proof why your wrong and you avoid me like a *****
    You just wanted to show your fail thread that didn't proof anything. I just don't want to debate with you, because you can't accept the fact that it's not Tsukiyomi or you're just really stupid.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by natssuu View Post
    You just wanted to show your fail thread that didn't proof anything. I just don't want to debate with you, because you can't accept the fact that it's not Tsukiyomi or you're just really stupid.
    be a ***** then. the fact that your scared proves everything for me.

    and me "fail thread" 8 thanks and i lost count of reps. your thread.. 4 thanks from noobs.

    :shrug:
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoVsGoku View Post
    it means your a *****.....

    Danzo said its nothing like Itachi's Tsukioymi, it means exactly that fool. He didnt say that its not Tsukiyomi. he is comparing it to Itachi's and said that Itachi was able to control time and space. its exactly like how C compared Sasukes amaterasu to Itachi's and said that Sasukes was better because he can manipulate Amaterasu to different shapes where as Itachi couldnt.
    If its nothing like tsukuyomi, then its not tsukuyomi. Is that too much for your tiny brain to process?

    Tsukuyomi can control time and space, Sasuke's genjutsu cannot. Obviously then it means that Sasuke's genjutsu is different and not the same tech.:sy:

    And your fail thread was full of spoiler pics, thus you calling yourself a ***** too?


    Danzo comparing Sasukes genjutsu to Itachis Tsukiyomi is an implication that Sasuke is using Tsukiyomi. also the fact that Danzo's background went black and white, which is a characteristic of Tsukiyomi, is a dead giveaway that Sasuke is using Tsukiyomi.....
    A black and white background has never been stated in the manga to be a pre requisite for tsukuyomi. Can you give me a manga page that says a black and white background means tsukuyomi is active? No? Then stop calling your personal speculations as fact.

    Same as when he used it on Bee. i cant fathom how you guys say Sasuke never used Tsukiyomi but Bee was in a black and white backgorund when Sasuke casted a genjutsu on him!
    Because a black and white background does'nt automatically mean its tsukuyomi. Did you see Sasuke's fight with Itachi? Only when Sasuke broke free was the background black and white, before that it was normal, and Zetsu stated that Sasuke ate a tsukuyomi.
    calling me retard but if i am so than want does that make you? what do you call a person who is far dumber than a retard? not only are you a noob but you are dumber than a retard. how sad:shrug:

    btw @nattsuu... why havent you replied to me? you asked me to show you proof why your wrong and you avoid me like a *****
    Anyone who does'nt agree with you, you call dumber than a retard or a *****. You simply fail to see any other possibility, and when disproven you get all butt hurt.

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoVsGoku View Post
    be a ***** then. the fact that your scared proves everything for me.

    and me "fail thread" 8 thanks and i lost count of reps. your thread.. 4 thanks from noobs.

    :shrug:
    Congratulations on sucking the d!cks of everyone on this forum for your thanks, but people have more dignity than that, and we don't stoop to your level of doming others for rep.

    Your shitty thread can easily be disproven. Deal with it.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoKage2 View Post
    If its nothing like tsukuyomi, then its not tsukuyomi. Is that too much for your tiny brain to process?

    Tsukuyomi can control time and space, Sasuke's genjutsu cannot. Obviously then it means that Sasuke's genjutsu is different and not the same tech.:sy:

    And your fail thread was full of spoiler pics, thus you calling yourself a ***** too?



    A black and white background has never been stated in the manga to be a pre requisite for tsukuyomi. Can you give me a manga page that says a black and white background means tsukuyomi is active? No? Then stop calling your personal speculations as fact.


    Because a black and white background does'nt automatically mean its tsukuyomi. Did you see Sasuke's fight with Itachi? Only when Sasuke broke free was the background black and white, before that it was normal, and Zetsu stated that Sasuke ate a tsukuyomi.


    Anyone who does'nt agree with you, you call dumber than a retard or a *****. You simply fail to see any other possibility, and when disproven you get all butt hurt.



    Congratulations on sucking the d!cks of everyone on this forum for your thanks, but people have more dignity than that, and we don't stoop to your level of doming others for rep.

    Your shitty thread can easily be disproven. Deal with it.

    Damn. You told his ass ._.

    Good points, too.

    Btw..



    See this here, where Sasuke says "Only those who control the Double Mangekyo can use this power."?

    Well, I know the anime sometimes ****s up canon, but I believe it's better said here:

    http://www.crunchyroll.com/naruto-sh...nja-way-570066

    Skip to 20:50 and you'll see what I mean.

    "A power that only those who have awakened the Mangekyo and both eyes can achieve."

    Also, there can be other confusion caused here. Shee referred to Blaze Release as a left-eye ability in the manga stated here:



    But in the anime, he says it's a right-eye power at 13:46.

    Hehe.. also, when Sasuke uses it in both the manga and anime, guess which eye strains?



    The right one.

    All of that wasn't directed toward you NarutoKage2, but everyone. I'm not a fan of double-posting so I added it in for everyone to see. Anyway, there are a lot of things that can make people be confused. I believe that Sasuke's genjutsu was referred to Tsukuyomi in the anime, but it might just be my crappy memory messing with me.
     
         
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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Ya I agree that sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi!!!

    But I think kishi reserved a new power for sasuke.
     
         

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    Re: Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi

    Sasuke has either , a genjutsu , that's above the average level.

    or a low level Tsukiyomi = that can become mastered one if trained for a long time.

    but in overall it does not matter wat Genjutsu he has , Sasuke is more of a long range/katon/Susanoo type of fighter , he use Genjutsu only too distract hes oponents not too rendle them useless VIA genjutsu. :scorps:
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoKage2 View Post
    If its nothing like tsukuyomi, then its not tsukuyomi. Is that too much for your tiny brain to process?

    Tsukuyomi can control time and space, Sasuke's genjutsu cannot. Obviously then it means that Sasuke's genjutsu is different and not the same tech.:sy:

    And your fail thread was full of spoiler pics, thus you calling yourself a ***** too?



    A black and white background has never been stated in the manga to be a pre requisite for tsukuyomi. Can you give me a manga page that says a black and white background means tsukuyomi is active? No? Then stop calling your personal speculations as fact.


    Because a black and white background does'nt automatically mean its tsukuyomi. Did you see Sasuke's fight with Itachi? Only when Sasuke broke free was the background black and white, before that it was normal, and Zetsu stated that Sasuke ate a tsukuyomi.


    Anyone who does'nt agree with you, you call dumber than a retard or a *****. You simply fail to see any other possibility, and when disproven you get all butt hurt.



    Congratulations on sucking the d!cks of everyone on this forum for your thanks, but people have more dignity than that, and we don't stoop to your level of doming others for rep.

    Your shitty thread can easily be disproven. Deal with it.
    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!! tlk about saying it loud LOL


    Must say u gys have rather interesting points but its still a fact that nowheere and I REPEAT NOWHERRRRE in the manga has Sasuke sed tsukiyomi whenn performing a jutsu and until he does ill say he doesnt have it, as many opportunities have come and passed for him to use it(some definately life threatening) and he hasnt used it. HE AINT GOT IT
     
         

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