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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

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    You're comparing a 15 year old rookie with raw power over captains with centuries of experience. Ichigo's hollow powers are superior than Toshiro's, yes, but Toshiro is a prodigy who could potentially become one of the strongest captains given 100 years or so. It doesn't matter if Ichigo's the main character, he has his limits. That being said, Toshiro did not beat Halibel. It took two masked Vizard lieutenants and a captain in bankai to fight with her. Also, Kyoraku is the 3rd strongest captain of the Gotei 13 stat wise. The only reason Ulquiorra would give him legitimate difficulty is because Kyoraku never takes any battle seriously. Once Katen Kyokotsu awakens...well...gg Ulqiorra.

    OT: Ulqiorra himself admitted that there are 3 other Espada stronger than himself. His main strength lies within his incredible regeneration. Segunda Etapa vs Halibel is debatable. He has nothing on Barragan, seeing as how he ages anything and everything. Starrk theoretically defeats him on reiatsu alone, seeing as how that's how Bleach battle work. He shouldn't have much trouble after using Los Lobos, though. Ulquiorra is honestly a very solid character and one of the strongest Espada. But he's too overrated.

    The fact still remains ichigo is stronger an always will be hollow mask ichigo we are talking here can't even beat first stage ulqiorra..but halibel loses to hitsugiya bankai tell me how she is stronger than ulqiorra I'll wait..an ur wrong hitsugiya beat her wonderwisse set her free again..

    once kyraku sword awake it's over yea once awake in bankai mode he will not beat ulqiorra with shikai I will bet you that stark is weak compared to ulqiorra..his green arrow thing is way stronger than thoes wolves an that cero gun an you kno that plus he can regenerate how I'd stark or halibel supposed to beat that..

    The only reason ulqiorra said there wer three more stronger than him was to bring down ichigo hopes of winning.
     
         
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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

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    You can't state "always will be" like it's a fact. "Hollowchigo" isn't stronger than Yamamoto no matter how you look at it. Are you saying if Hitsugaya ever reaches that level, he still won't be able to beat Ichigo simply because he's Hitsugaya? He's talented, but he's young; hence why after Halibel was liberated from the ice-flower structure, she was completely unaffected. As for Ulquiorra and Halibel, most people agree that she would be able to beat him in his first release but not in Segunda Etapa. What people failed to realize is that Ulquiorra's only claim to fame in Segunda Etapa is a tail and Lanza del Relámpago, which is pretty formidable, but if Halibel can avoid it she's good. And let's not forget, similar to Hitsugaya, she controls all of the moisture in the atmosphere. That's the main part of her ability and probably could cause some damage, had she not been countered by Hitsugaya during the battle.

    Are we really supposed to believe Aizen had NO idea of Ulquiorra's Segunda Etapa? Aizen is of the three most intelligent characters in the series. Ulquiorra only said "Not even Aizen has seen me like this", implying that Aizen was still aware of the upgrade. Not to mention the fact that Aizen is the one who had practically set up Ichigo's life since he was born. He knew of Ichigo's Hollow progression, he would know Ulquiorra would have to somehow push him to such a point in order to awaken his full hollow form and still be able to fight toe-to-toe with him. The only of the top 3 Espada he'd give a hard time to is because she's close-range, whereas Ulquiorra is mid-range. Starrk is anywhere from far to close-range and it's implied that he can shoot out more than ceros. His screen time was cut short, which is why we weren't seen more of what he could do. Also, he fought on par 2 senior captains and two masked captain-level Vizards before Kyoraku finally took him down. And yes, Kyoraku could beat Ulquiorra in shikai. Ulquiorra has nothing to beat IroOni.

    Also yes, Ulquiorra wanted to lower Ichigo's morale, but what point would he have in lying to him? He wouldn't say "If you somehow defeat me, there are 3 other stronger than myself, but I'm magically stronger out of them". Ulquiorra was the foil to the protagonist, hence more screen time and time to flesh out his character and abilities. If Starrk was Ichigo's rival, I guarantee you Kubo would've given him Segunda Etapa as he did with Ulquiorra.
    Yea hitsugiya will get stronger but so will ichigo he will get stronger aswell...

    Not saying that aizen did not kno he did not want aizen to kno so aizen act as of he did not kno..he would dust off halibel...

    stark I don't see him being fast enough to hit ulqiorra with any of his ceros not even hollow ichigo could escape his speed not even come close...ulqiorra would also beat up on kyraku an white haired captin he would be to over powering for them in their shikai modes..same as the other vizard captians that came after thoes two..if you were not on ichgo level when he beat ulqiorra then you won't win an I believe none of the 4 that fought stark was at that level of power..

    An how will irooni stop uiqiorra when he can regenerate? Please I would like to kno how when kyraku will just be getting himself killed cuz I believe irooni works for both people..

    Yea like I said ulqiorra was only saying that to bring down his hopes of winning ulqiorra has two levels his first is already over powering just imagin how strong his second level is to the rest of the espada....Grimmjow had more screen time than ulqiorra hence he fought Grimmjow 3times an ulqiorra two time..so why can't Grimmjow have that second level or regeneration.
     
         
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    Yes, that's true. Ichigo's the main protagonist, after all. It's only up from here.

    It all depends on the location. If Halibel was in a place where water and moisture was the dominate elemental factor, then she would be able to fight Ulquiorra. The biggest reason she seemed so weak during her fight with Hitsugaya was because he would freeze all of his water while she would liquify all of his ice (Like Gray vs Sugarboy in Fairy Tail) but honestly, the fight itself was pathetic. I don't even like Halibel that much, but I'm a believer of analyzing the evidence you're presented. Ulquiorra was extremely powerful, but there's a reason why Halibel is #3 instead of him, a reason we probably weren't shown. In conjunction with the Starrk debate as well as the debate with Ulquiorra vs Halibel, it's as Aizen said



    Remember how Soifon's attack is instant death after two hits, but it didn't work on Aizen because he had a higher reiatsu than hers? It was also stated that Espada were ranked based on reiatsu (therefore: strength)Halibel presumably had more reiatsu than Ulquiorra and Starrk killed hollows just by the strength of his reiatsu. How specifically they could defeat him is debatable, but it was known that they at least had more reiatsu, therefore more strength. However, don't think that by my saying that I believe that Ulquiorra would get owned or anything. Yammy had more reiatsu than all of them, but his idiotic nature prevents him from being able to defeat any of them. Ulquiorra would probably be able to beat Halibel 5 times out of 10. I'm not exactly sure myself, but I'm confident Halibel would win extremely high difficulty.

    Keep in mind that Ulquiorra can regenerate everything save for internal organs. And Kyoraku actually broke Starrk's hollow hole. Like Starrk, Ulquiorra only has three colors on him: black, white, and green. If Kyoraku called white or black and struck in the same position that he did with Starrk, then Ulquiorra loses. Hitsugaya stated that Vasto Lordes were stronger than captains. In the anime (which shouldn't necessarily be counted as canon since it's not the manga) Halibel was a Vasto Lorde, and by that logic, so were Ulquiorra, Barragan, and Starrk. I'm almost certain of that as a fact. Obviously, though, the assumption that Vasto Lordes are stronger than captains is not the case. If anything, the top-brass captains should be able to defeat them. This includes: Yamamoto, Unohana, Kyoraku, and Ukitake. Kyoraku was the only one who actually defeated one of them, let alone the Primera. Also, Ukitake (the white haired captain) has a zanpakuto used to counter reishi-based attacks, and all attacks in Ulquiorra's arsenal are reishi-based. His stamina is the only thing that would cause him to lose, making him a liability. But they are two of the strongest captains of the Gotei 13, they should be able to beat him individually extreme mid to high difficulty, and together mid difficulty.

    We have no real way of discerning how strong Ulquiorra was in Segunda Etapa when the only power-ups he received was a boost in reiatsu and Lanza del Relámpago. It would have been cool if their strengths were compared. And yes, Grimmjow had more screen time than Ulquiorra, and he got a power-up that Ulquiorra didn't. He lived. He survived the story while Ulquiorra didn't. He's presumably been training the entire time-skip, so other than increased strength, who knows? We may see Grimmjow with Segunda Etapa in an upcoming chapter.
    There's no Dout in my mind that ulqiorra spiritual pressure is stronger than halibel's aizen knos that as well that's why he left ichigo to fight ulqiorra becuz he knew he was the one who would push ichigo hollow power to the max...his speed was even greater than halibel's by a lot if I must say cuz if ichigo can't keep up with you then ur fast as hell ichigo bankai speed was no were near ulqiorra..strength wise when it comes to hitting power I think ulqiorra also got her beat in that aswell..one hit from that green arrow thing would do way more damage than halibel's cascade thing..ulqiorra was the top espada besides barrgan I think....aizen most likely ranked them buy there first release form.

    An I don't kno how aizen put Starkk over barrgan he was way off with that one that lets you kno that some of the espada numbers means nonthing.

    ..irooni would not matter cuz if ulqiorra is cutting with that green thing the match might be over from one slash the reason ichigo survived it was cuz of his hollow mask an getsuga tensho..don't kno how kyraku will survive it.
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunmire66 View Post
    I feel as though ulquiora was the strongest espada out of them all. i feel this way beacause he had a state 2 form which none of the other espadas had achieved.

    tell me your opinions on this matter and why you feel that way.
    I don't know.....I doubt if yammy is the strongest espada.But Ulquiora is really good
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    Quote Originally Posted by NLee View Post
    No. Ulquiorra was not the strongest Espada. Ya he had his Segunda Etapa big deal. It doesn't change the fact that the Captains are on a whole other standard than Ichigo. Had Ulquiorra gone up against Kyoraku he would have lost with mid difficulty on Kyoraku's part.

    My point? Stark was the strongest Espada. Not Ulquiorra. Ulquiorra deserves his 4th position. 3rd at best.



    What is that I hear? You want proof? Here:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-725-20/...apter-271.html

    Ulquiorra knows he's the only one with the Segunda Etapa and he still states there are 3 more Espada who are stronger than he is.
    He just said that to see how would Ichicgo react, not because of rank. If it were because of the tattooed rank, he would've said there are FOUR more Espada who are stronger than me, since Espada are ranked from 0-9, that would make 4th be the fifth ranked one. I think he IS the strongest Espada. His second release state is similar to a bankai, and if you remember, a bankai multiplies the strength of it's user from shikai by 10 times. Going by that logic, I would say he is definitely the strongest Espada.
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6ari8 View Post
    He just said that to see how would Ichicgo react, not because of rank. If it were because of the tattooed rank, he would've said there are FOUR more Espada who are stronger than me, since Espada are ranked from 0-9, that would make 4th be the fifth ranked one. I think he IS the strongest Espada. His second release state is similar to a bankai, and if you remember, a bankai multiplies the strength of it's user from shikai by 10 times. Going by that logic, I would say he is definitely the strongest Espada.
    i know right even if he dint say it the number still implies that theres 3 higher than him as far as the 1-10 goes and as far as ichigo goes if he couldnt beat ulq in base how was he going to beat the 3 others. but ulq's no longer ranked in second release. ppl see the numbers and think its dead set on wich ones are stronger but 1-4 are all in the same ballpark power wise in base and first release. theres some ppl that think 2nd release ulquiorra is about = to hallibel but lol 1st release ulquiorra had a pretty good showing vs ichigo who is stronger and faster than soifon and hitsugaya, infact he dint even need to 2nd release to beat ichigo but he did it anyway just to try to break ichigo's will.
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    I wouldn't say he's the strongest. I mean, he can't beat Aizen if he really tried. But he won't even try that at least. He could beat Stark if he wasn't lazy and all. I don't think he could beat Harribel.
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaengusu View Post
    I wouldn't say he's the strongest. I mean, he can't beat Aizen if he really tried. But he won't even try that at least. He could beat Stark if he wasn't lazy and all. I don't think he could beat Harribel.
    Aizen isnt an espada. He can beat stark but not harribel? lol stark > harribel and all stark, barrigan, harribel had pretty much same size reastu release cept diffrent colors. I know its hard for people to see it but ulq really is the strongest in second release since the difrence from #1 to #4 doesnt seem all that high even in base and first release unlike #4 to #6 ie ulq being stronger in base than grimjaw is in release. Ulquiorra would beat soifon and toshiro in first release and maybe even at base, like cmon he was faster than bankai masked ichigo in base and in first release he dominated ichigo he dint even need to go 2nd release.

    Also to ppl that think ulquiorra doesnt lie or wtv doesnt he tell aizen ichigo's power fluctuates between stronger and weaker than himself wich really that doesnt include ulq in 2nd release and not even ulq in first release as we seen at full power angry ichigo got totally owned by ulq in first release and 2nd.
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    you have to consider the fact that only Ichigo was strong enough to "change the landscape" which was essentially power on par with Ullq, that being said I never say any of the espada swing a sword (you know how thin it is?) and cause boulders to go flying through the air.

    When Ullq said that he hadn't shown Aizen that form it was probably for a reason, so that he wouldn't be made #1. & Barragans time effect might not affect someone with an insanely high reiatsu.

    But I'd think it would still affect, who knows, perhaps Ullq's "lance del relampago" or a getsuga could hit barragan
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    i agree with you but some of the otha espada could put up a fight with him
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    i believe he was indeed the strongest espada and here why

    i understand that Ulquiora said that there were 3 espada stronger than him, but i believe that this was only taken into account of his first release form, i don't get how people can say that there were 3 above him discount yami. enough evidence is given to suggest that Ulquiora was indeed lieing when said that that there were 3 espada stronger than himself they range the appears of espada #0 to the consist sense when he says thing to get arise out of the humans around him(from telling orihime he was going to rip out her heart to going segunda etapa when he didn't need to against ichigo)

    another thing is its more likely that aizen knew of Ulquiora second stage and simply felt no reason to call him on it, because thats the type of person aizen he, he lets things pay out to see if things will turnout exactly as he predicted, and in the case of Ulquiora and ichigo i think it did wonderfully so. Ulquiora pushed ichigo to his hollowifed limits and got hax ichigo to appear. why else would the limitation of no allowing the release of anyone ranked 4 and below be instead of 3 and below.

    not really a point but i kinda have a question? why is it that everyone know arrancar have some soul reaper powers and everyone is okay with that but when Ulquiora use one of a soul reapers most impressive techniques the second sword release so many people assume it just pushed him up to hally berry level when in the case of a soul reaper the jump is far more significant?
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    Atleast he should be higher than halibel....
    Stark still strongest
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    Of all the Espada, Ulquiorra most likely uses his power most effectively.
    Yammy obviously has the most power reserve, but he can't use it effectively.
    Starkk's attitude and sense of honor in battle blinds him from ending threats permanently.
    Haribel sacrificed her personal gain of power for teamwork.
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    Quote Originally Posted by aimop95 View Post
    Of all the Espada, Ulquiorra most likely uses his power most effectively.
    Yammy obviously has the most power reserve, but he can't use it effectively.
    Starkk's attitude and sense of honor in battle blinds him from ending threats permanently.
    Haribel sacrificed her personal gain of power for teamwork.
    this is good. i totally agree with this.


    besides, aizen should know what he's doing. he knows where to put is dear espada. and if he doesnt, then hopefully kubo does.
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    He sure appered to be the strongest, had 2 types of ceros, 2 ressurecionns. I think he could def beat Stark, cause all he could do was make wolves and shoot cero
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    Quote Originally Posted by NLee View Post
    No. Ulquiorra was not the strongest Espada. Ya he had his Segunda Etapa big deal. It doesn't change the fact that the Captains are on a whole other standard than Ichigo. Had Ulquiorra gone up against Kyoraku he would have lost with mid difficulty on Kyoraku's part.

    My point? Stark was the strongest Espada. Not Ulquiorra. Ulquiorra deserves his 4th position. 3rd at best.



    What is that I hear? You want proof? Here:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-725-20/...apter-271.html

    Ulquiorra knows he's the only one with the Segunda Etapa and he still states there are 3 more Espada who are stronger than he is.
    perfectly said
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    nah man its not well said cause that remark he says well it plays in with his character ie being the espada of despair + since he has 4 plastered on his chest he dint have to say anything cause it means theres 3 left above him that ichigo would have to fight to win. but in all actuality theres 4 higher than him numberwise and im sure all espadas know the ranks go from 0-9. and the captains are not on a whole other level than ichigo hes up there with them. toshiro and soifon are both weaker and slower than ichigo shunsui is an other story he doesnt actuly have to be stronger than his opponant to kill his opponant hes got a semi hax shikai the color game thing cant imagine howmuch more haxed his bankai is. and ichigo's hollow would steam roll just about any1 at that point in time notice how the hollow is always higher in skill than ichigo actuly is had ichigo been in control he might have lost to ulq since we seen how easy the lance shreded the mask.

    Edit: yammy is seen getting a massive boost in power going from 10 to 0 surpassing stark and thats belivable right but ulq going from 4 to unranked is unbelivable that hes goten stronger than the others? like cmon guys the difrence from 1-4 is not as big as 10 to 4. 4-1 are all in the same ballpark with variying abilities until ulq goes r2 this is not the olympics were theres just gold silver and bronze this is bleach where anything happens. And if ppl are so keen on saying ulquiorra cannot win cause hes number 4 well that means stark or any other espada would not win vs yammy cause hes the real number 1 rankwise
     
         
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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    Quote Originally Posted by Titania Erza View Post
    I dont care if he was the strongest or not, he made a hell of a fighting scene with ichigo and thats the most important thing.
    agreed. power is overrated anyway, Ulquiora had finess
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    So how would stark beat barragan? why is he ranked no.1?
     
         

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    Re: Ulquiora strongest espada?

    Quote Originally Posted by negrodamuus View Post
    So how would stark beat barragan? why is he ranked no.1?
    Stark has the most reitsu out of all the espada minus yamma, all his attacks are pure energy and energy doesnt age, he could literally just spam cero until Barragan in nothing but dust.
    Its just sucks that none of the espada really got proper fighting scenes and that there was clear BS happing in the captains vs espada fights.
     
         

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