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    Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    Latest chapter is out:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/496

    So I made this thread a while back and I thought I'd do a short follow up on it:
    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=195575

    Call me stubborn but I still don't think Soul Society is in as much trouble as everyone thinks. Note, I'm not saying they don't have a gigantic problem in front of them or that they won't have any casualties. Only that it's not as horribly one-sided as people constantly seem to think.


    If you haven't read the chapter yet, spoilers beware:
    Apparently the Quincy don't "seal" Bankais. They steal them... It looks like the Captains are gonna be fighting against their own Bankais.

    Everything I'm about to say is based on the assumption that the Quincy don't somehow gain full knowledge of the Bankai they steal.

    Let's sit back and think about this for a minute. Obviously it's not a good thing for these Quincy to steal away the Captains' most powerful weapons, but how much of a handicap is it really?

    It's been said over and over again that just attaining your Bankai means little to nothing. You need years and years and YEARS of training to be able to completely harness and master it. The only exception was Ichigo because his Bankai is unlike anyone else's. It wasn't some huge mechanism that took time to learn how to use - it was just a high speed boost. Every other Bankai that we've seen so far has been something on the grand scale - giant axes (Ikkaku), enormous snake/chain-like weapon (Renji), billions of tiny blades (Byakuya), etc.

    So what do these Quincy plan on doing with this brand new skill that they've, literally, picked up?
    • Do they even know what it is that they stole? No.
    • Do they know how to use it? No.
    • Do they know the limits of the Bankai? No.

    It doesn't stop there. Bankais are, somewhat, extensions of the Shikai. That said, even before reaching Bankai the Shinigami already has a knack for their zanpaktou's fighting style which makes learning to use their Bankai that much easier (even though it takes up to 10ish years, or so they say). These Quincy are completely unprepared to wield such weapons. In essence, if they decide to use these Bankai against the Captains then they're, for all intents and purposes, fighting blind.



    Let's look at an easy example - Byakuya's Senbonzakura Kageyoshi.

    Byakuya explained to us all that controlling such number of rapidly moving blades is virtually impossible unless you define a "no damage zone". If Tsukishima was able to exploit this and almost defeat Byakuya, then what do you think Byakuya himself is going to be able to do against someone who has never used Senbonzakura before?

    Long story short, there are pros and cons (in other words, vulnerabilities) for all Bankais because there must be a reason that it takes so long to master to the point of being able to use it in combat.

    These are Shinigami who have been Captains for as long as 100 years, some even staggeringly longer. When you're this experienced you know your weapon inside and out just as if it were an extension of your own body. You can count on the fact that over the years they've learned their Bankai's vulnerabilities and weaknesses.



    Also, there are ways around this that I can already theorize. You all saw that pendant, right? The one they seemed to use to steal the Bankai. Let's say, oh I don't know, the Captains aim for that thing and destroy it. Might it release the Bankai back into their control?

    Another is Soul Society's powerhouse. I forgot about this, but Kenpachi would make the perfect opponent for any of these Quincy. You can't steal a Bankai if they don't have it



    Hmm, turned out longer than I expected but oh well lol.
    Post what you guys think and discuss below.
     
         
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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    Well there are three captain tht dnt need bankai soo they will murdered with there shikai..i dnt see any captain dying so there wont be any problem
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    Yeah hahaha I feel sorry for whoever might face Kenpachi

    "You want my Bankai? Too bad I don't have one!"
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    Genryusai yamamoto is enough to take out all of them but not their leader( i guess).. that part is left for ichigo
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    Kenpachi has no Bankai to steal so he's an asset xD
    I mean, he's a beast.

    I agree with the Quincy's being unable to control and harness the power of the Captain's Bankai well as they do not know how to use it, putting the more familiar Captains at an advantage.
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    4 of the captains got their bankai stolen nd you say they are not at a disadvantage!! lets see if Capt. kurotsuchi can come up with a solution.
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    Quote Originally Posted by AWSUM SID View Post
    4 of the captains got their bankai stolen nd you say they are not at a disadvantage!! lets see if Capt. kurotsuchi can come up with a solution.
    Clearly you didn't even read my original post lol
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    Quote Originally Posted by AWSUM SID View Post
    Genryusai yamamoto is enough to take out all of them but not their leader( i guess).. that part is left for ichigo
    The old man defeated the leader before but didnt kill him so he just have to do the same thing n kill him
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    Quote Originally Posted by NLee View Post
    Yeah hahaha I feel sorry for whoever might face Kenpachi

    "You want my Bankai? Too bad I don't have one!"
    Agree
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    rofl I agree with what Nlee said who ever faces Kenpachi is going too be in a rude awakening
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    I hate to take a shit on your optimist parade but what if the Stern Ritter use the bankai they stole to incorporate them into their own abilities? Same way the full bringers did Ichigo. As Nodt could combine Senbonzakura's petals with his thorns or increase the number of thorns he can produce. I don't think it's a matter of them knowing how to use the captains bankai's but knowing how to use them to amplify their own abilities. So far we only know As Nodt abilites and we know Bambietta can slice people in half and she is apparently strong enough to create a crater around Kumamura (see page 10). I think Kumamura's bankai is going to make her ten times stronger then she is already.

    I know things are going to work out in the end but the shinigami are going to get a little ****ed before things start to turn back in their favor. But they won't get too ****ed, I'm sure there is more to their plan then just "let's see what happens when we use our bankai." I bet Mayuri is watching right now, that's how they were going to figure out how to unseal their bankai. That's why they sacrificed the most frequently used bankai's because that keeps the unknowns in reserve until they figure this shit out.

    With that said I think Godpachi is one of the war potentials but not because he doesn't have a Bankai but because he spiritual pressure will be too much to absorb. However I think Buckbeard or that guy busby/buzzby might be able to handle it.
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksparrow4 View Post
    I hate to take a shit on your optimist parade but what if the Stern Ritter use the bankai they stole to incorporate them into their own abilities? Same way the full bringers did Ichigo. As Nodt could combine Senbonzakura's petals with his thorns or increase the number of thorns he can produce. I don't think it's a matter of them knowing how to use the captains bankai's but knowing how to use them to amplify their own abilities. So far we only know As Nodt abilites and we know Bambietta can slice people in half and she is apparently strong enough to create a crater around Kumamura (see page 10). I think Kumamura's bankai is going to make her ten times stronger then she is already.

    I know things are going to work out in the end but the shinigami are going to get a little ****ed before things start to turn back in their favor. But they won't get too ****ed, I'm sure there is more to their plan then just "let's see what happens when we use our bankai." I bet Mayuri is watching right now, that's how they were going to figure out how to unseal their bankai. That's why they sacrificed the most frequently used bankai's because that keeps the unknowns in reserve until they figure this shit out.

    With that said I think Godpachi is one of the war potentials but not because he doesn't have a Bankai but because he spiritual pressure will be too much to absorb. However I think Buckbeard or that guy busby/buzzby might be able to handle it.
    Yeah, I was considering that possibility as well since, to be honest, it's the most likely thing to happen. Rep for your good thinking.

    I agree that they will get tossed around for a while because there needs to be some sort of power shift in this invasion. Nonetheless, I still believe SS has a solid chance to turn back the tides in their favor. Either Mayuri will think up something genius, or someone else on the field will figure something out in the heat of battle
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    One thing that I noticed is that the Vandenreich(/Stern Ritters) have is good knowledge about many of the Shinigami and therefore may know about most of the Captain's bankai's and abilities. I still dunno if that was the 1st Lieutenant's bankai that killed him or not but if it was, they obviously know how to use someonelse's bankai against them without much issues.

    Or they could do what that one idiot Ichigo is fighting did, and absorb that power they had stolen and combine it with their final power (which was basically suggested above) But all in all having an optimistic outlook on the outcome of Soul Society is good but also maybe inevitable, I expect there to be more deaths that what most suspect
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    I agree, however I don't think yamamoto will be able to beat the leader without bankai, he won't use it until they know how to stop it getting stolen, also, has anyone else considered that his bankai might destroy seretei?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksparrow4 View Post
    I hate to take a shit on your optimist parade but what if the Stern Ritter use the bankai they stole to incorporate them into their own abilities? Same way the full bringers did Ichigo. As Nodt could combine Senbonzakura's petals with his thorns or increase the number of thorns he can produce. I don't think it's a matter of them knowing how to use the captains bankai's but knowing how to use them to amplify their own abilities. So far we only know As Nodt abilites and we know Bambietta can slice people in half and she is apparently strong enough to create a crater around Kumamura (see page 10). I think Kumamura's bankai is going to make her ten times stronger then she is already.

    I know things are going to work out in the end but the shinigami are going to get a little ****ed before things start to turn back in their favor. But they won't get too ****ed, I'm sure there is more to their plan then just "let's see what happens when we use our bankai." I bet Mayuri is watching right now, that's how they were going to figure out how to unseal their bankai. That's why they sacrificed the most frequently used bankai's because that keeps the unknowns in reserve until they figure this shit out.

    With that said I think Godpachi is one of the war potentials but not because he doesn't have a Bankai but because he spiritual pressure will be too much to absorb. However I think Buckbeard or that guy busby/buzzby might be able to handle it.
    That wouldn't really mean anything, from what I understand of what your saying, he'd basically be controlling the thorns in a similar manner byakuya does, which would still leave the blind spot. I personally think that the main purpose of the last arc was to show that ever bankai has a small weakness, leading up to this arc where the captains will have to fight against(for all intents and purposes, themselves).
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Hasashi~ View Post
    I agree, however I don't think yamamoto will be able to beat the leader without bankai, he won't use it until they know how to stop it getting stolen, also, has anyone else considered that his bankai might destroy seretei?



    That wouldn't really mean anything, from what I understand of what your saying, he'd basically be controlling the thorns in a similar manner byakuya does, which would still leave the blind spot. I personally think that the main purpose of the last arc was to show that ever bankai has a small weakness, leading up to this arc where the captains will have to fight against(for all intents and purposes, themselves).
    That's a valid point, I guess I am just letting my imagination run wild due to the anticipation of the upcoming battles and there end results. I am mostly worried that the Stern Ritters are right and the Shinigami will die a desperate death after fighting and sacrificing everything they have. But how can that be the true outcome when we've spent years watching the Shinigami fight, act silly, and throw a beach party.
     
         

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    Re: Soul Society is still not in as much trouble as people think

    quincies are not shinigami therefore they cannot control bankai they basically just steal it so they cant use it... im trying to figure out why you think captains without there bankai can take out these dudes they obviously look strong and they know the enemy which are shinigami and they have a lot of knowledge on shinigami. obvoiusly they gonna find a way to beat these guys but to say that bankai is not all that important is just not right.
     
         

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