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    What's your KUNG FU?

    I believe that there's no Anti Virus that's full proof, that's why I have decided to install the following to prevent my computer from all forms of harm:

    ANTI VIRUS + ANTI EXECUTABLE + INSTANT SYSTEM RESTORE

    The Anti Virus will serve as the first line of defense. The Anti Executable will prevent "*exe" from executing. And if those 2 fails, the Instant System Restore will remove everything after shutting down or restarting your computer.

    I hope this help.
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    Myn is Tiger style ( Mircosoft ess )
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    they sometimes work
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    mine is shadow style (McAfee + window defender + Webroot Spy Sweeper)
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    Nice line of defense. But I dont use anti executable....
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    I use malwarebytes.
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    Haven't got a clue, my brother installed it-.- I have avast on it and also something called mcfree spy??
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    I've never had to install a virus scanner, but that's because I use Linux. That doesn't mean that you cannot get viruses on Linux(it does happen, just hasn't happened to me yet and I've been using Linux for about 4 years now). The user just has to be careful.
     
         

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    Norton 360
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    Currently I'm using this setup:


    NOD Essentials (Anti-virus) + WatchDog v9.3 (Anti-execuable) + Deep Freeze (Instant System Restore).


    Most Anti-virus will prevent harmful programs, spywares and malwares but like I said nothing offers absolute guarantee. I consider Anti-executables very important because most of the viruses and other forms of malwares have "*.exe" extensions. It will never allow the programs from executing.

    For those who haven't used an "Instant System Restore" program like the Deep Freeze, let me share what I know.

    This program will literally "Freeze" your system or selective Drive (drive C of instance) to the original Restore Point. In installating the program, you must select only Drive C, provided that you have a multi-partitioned hard drive.

    Why Freeze Drive C?

    You must Freeze Drive C because it contains the "System Folder". This is the folder that virsuses attack. This is the heart and mind of you computer, if damaged, that would be a big problem. By freezing Drive C, nothing or no one can alter your system setup and proprties. You can still install and uninstall programs, but everything will be restored to its original state once you have restarted your computer.

    The "Instant Restore Program" doesn't appear in the control panel, and it can only be seen on the taskbar. I suggest that you must have 2 or more drives if you install a "Instant Restore Program", since only Drive C is frozen you can save your files in the other Drives.
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    For most people, freezing hard drives is overkill, to say the least.

    I'd rather have viruses on my computer than putting restrictions on how I can use it. Usability comes first and I won't sacrifice it for a little added security.

    Executables come in many formats. a virus can infect a DLL file... so what do you do then?

    If a program is infected, what good does it do to prevent programs from executing?

    If I prevent .exe files from being written, how do I compile programs?

    If I waste system resources by installing so many "lines of defense", how can I run other big programs on my computer?


    Best line of defense: common sense. The rest doesn't matter. I'd rather get sick every now and then rather than never eating ice cream (not running EXE), staying in the house (linux) or wearing a thick coat anywhere I go (many antivirus programs).


    I use the free version of Avast and it does a reasonable job most of the time. When it doesn't, I deal with it.
     
         
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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alkad View Post
    For most people, freezing hard drives is overkill, to say the least.

    I'd rather have viruses on my computer than putting restrictions on how I can use it. Usability comes first and I won't sacrifice it for a little added security.

    Executables come in many formats. a virus can infect a DLL file... so what do you do then?

    If a program is infected, what good does it do to prevent programs from executing?

    If I prevent .exe files from being written, how do I compile programs?

    If I waste system resources by installing so many "lines of defense", how can I run other big programs on my computer?


    Best line of defense: common sense. The rest doesn't matter. I'd rather get sick every now and then rather than never eating ice cream (not running EXE), staying in the house (linux) or wearing a thick coat anywhere I go (many antivirus programs).


    I use the free version of Avast and it does a reasonable job most of the time. When it doesn't, I deal with it.

    When it comes to Computer "KUNG FU" you should not settle for less. I'm not sure if you're just trolling or playing dumb if you prefer to have Viruses than extra added system defenses in your computer. I guess your problem is that you don't fully understand computer specifications.

    I said it already, if the Anti-Virus and Anti-executable fails, you can restart your computer and the "Instant Restore Program" will bring back the original system to its restore point.

    Having this system setup doesn't require expert skills, but COMMON SENSE. And comparing a human body to a machine is totally absurd.:flaw:
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    My KUNG FU is Spyware Terminator, like a boss.
    ESET smart security, like a boss.
    And a Desktop, not a laptop, comme un boss.
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Drama View Post
    When it comes to Computer "KUNG FU" you should not settle for less. I'm not sure if you're just trolling or playing dumb if you prefer to have Viruses than extra added system defenses in your computer. I guess your problem is that you don't fully understand computer specifications.

    I said it already, if the Anti-Virus and Anti-executable fails, you can restart your computer and the "Instant Restore Program" will bring back the original system to its restore point.

    Having this system setup doesn't require expert skills, but COMMON SENSE. And comparing a human body to a machine is totally absurd.:flaw:
    I understood you and I wasn't trolling or playing dumb. Your reply is closer to trolling.

    Look at things from a practical perspective. Most of the files I run are clean, so I was giving you my side of the story. Getting a virus isn't the end of the world and I don't know why you like to pretend it is.

    I had malware a couple of weeks ago, the first time in three years, and what did I do? I removed it.


    And let me add this:
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Executable Review
    Cons:
    Pre-existing malware may get whitelisted in error. Doesn't block DLL-based malware by default. Enabling DLL management can slow system. Many ways for a user to cause configuration problems.
    DLL = executable. I'd put an emote here if it wasn't rude.


    Of course I have other protection mechanisms, but they run when I tell them to. If I have a suspicious file or a known malware that I want to run, I sandbox it.


    I'm taking the practical approach. There's no point protecting my computer if that protection makes it less usable. That's what I illustrated in my previous post, which you bashed without understanding it.


    I'm not giving my computer to another program to mess with, malware or otherwise. Using reason to prevent infection is faster than installing software after software. It also prevents you from succumbing into a false sense of security or paranoia.
     
         
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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alkad View Post
    I understood you and I wasn't trolling or playing dumb. Your reply is closer to trolling.

    Look at things from a practical perspective. Most of the files I run are clean, so I was giving you my side of the story. Getting a virus isn't the end of the world and I don't know why you like to pretend it is.

    I had malware a couple of weeks ago, the first time in three years, and what did I do? I removed it.


    And let me add this:


    DLL = executable. I'd put an emote here if it wasn't rude.


    Of course I have other protection mechanisms, but they run when I tell them to. If I have a suspicious file or a known malware that I want to run, I sandbox it.


    I'm taking the practical approach. There's no point protecting my computer if that protection makes it less usable. That's what I illustrated in my previous post, which you bashed without understanding it.


    I'm not giving my computer to another program to mess with, malware or otherwise. Using reason to prevent infection is faster than installing software after software. It also prevents you from succumbing into a false sense of security or paranoia.
    I'm not saying that my system setup is the best in the world, there will always be Advantages and Disadvantages. But your recommendation offers much greater risk. Not everyone is smart as you, who can easily remove and correct malwares, viruses and system errors. There are those who needs the immediate end result in a much User Friendly way. It’s paranoia but it’s called awareness.

    Yes, added system protection requires money. But without it the risk of expending more will be greater, not to mention the hassle and the time lost of fixing your PC.

    If you strongly disagree with my setup, then share your detailed guide in how to combat all the system threats. Please bare in mind, that “Instant System Restore” prevents complete alteration of the frozen Drive. The deleted files, installed and uninstalled programs will be restored after restarting your computer. If you value the contents of your computer, then you’ll take all the necessary precautions.

    I got your point, and I’m not bashing your post out of ignorance. You missed my point the this “Kung Fu” setup is ultimate. This doesn’t only prevent your petty concerns of “DLL”, but my approach is more holistic. In decision making, you’ll always choose the decision the offers the less risk.

    Yet again, don’t get me wrong for rebutting your statements. If you can share your ideas in full details, I would appreciate that.
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Drama View Post
    I'm not saying that my system setup is the best in the world, there will always be Advantages and Disadvantages. But your recommendation offers much greater risk. Not everyone is smart as you, who can easily remove and correct malwares, viruses and system errors. There are those who needs the immediate end result in a much User Friendly way. It’s paranoia but it’s called awareness.

    Yes, added system protection requires money. But without it the risk of expending more will be greater, not to mention the hassle and the time lost of fixing your PC.

    If you strongly disagree with my setup, then share your detailed guide in how to combat all the system threats. Please bare in mind, that “Instant System Restore” prevents complete alteration of the frozen Drive. The deleted files, installed and uninstalled programs will be restored after restarting your computer. If you value the contents of your computer, then you’ll take all the necessary precautions.

    I got your point, and I’m not bashing your post out of ignorance. You missed my point the this “Kung Fu” setup is ultimate. This doesn’t only prevent your petty concerns of “DLL”, but my approach is more holistic. In decision making, you’ll always choose the decision the offers the less risk.

    Yet again, don’t get me wrong for rebutting your statements. If you can share your ideas in full details, I would appreciate that.
    The reason why I'm so against "complete restrictions" like preventing executables or freezing your hard drive is because people begin to rely on principles which are essentially flawed by defeating the original purpose of computers. For me, it's unacceptable to completely restrict execution of files on my computer or to limit the frequent changes that I make to my system. I'd personally be embarassed to ever admit to resorting to such obtuse measures.

    Understanding of the system comes with practice and actually trying things out - sometimes through failure. Business environments are obviously excluded, because system failure can turn into a disaster. On a personal computer, you can layer your protection and still have berth between those layers.

    Backups are one thing. (external drives and online) System restore is another. They protect important data after something fails. I don't believe that they should be passive processes. Malware can hide in backup files too, so I like to know what I have and need on my computer. When I have something important, I'm saving it somewhere else. No deep freeze.

    Another voluntary line of defence is sandboxing. I'm using Sandboxie, which has some advanced settings that help me prevent infection. Removable drives and network files run sandboxed automatically, unless I choose to disable the feature with two clicks. This completely prevents spreading from infected flash drives. That's one of my main concerns, because I had problems a few years ago. Sandboxie is completely unintrusive and I can sync changes made inside a sandbox with a few more clicks.

    If I run a more common kind of virus, I see the sandbox growing with edited executables. I delete the sandbox and carry on. I only sandbox programs that come from a more unusual place. I set it so that keygens and cracks will always be run into a sandbox with no access to the internet, to prevent and detect spyware. (I get a warning if something tries to access the internet)

    This way I can also run and use infected files without worrying. Sometimes I can't get around that. In very (very) exceptional cases when I want to install complex software and try it out, I run it inside a virtual machine. It's a little slower, so I'm obviously not going to do this very often, but I have better control over "system snapshots" that way.

    My first lines of defense are Avast, Security Essentials (which I don't know that well) and Chrome. I care more about my online security than a lot of the data on my laptop, so I invest more time into that. Chrome has some good features about script execution and I trust that.

    Adding more antivirus software won't make that much a difference, because I'm doubling the allocated resources for an infinitesimal improvement. (most of their definitions match anyway)


    It's not "absolute", but it's enough. Any more investment would cost me more time than fixing problems when they do arise. The fact that I can work very efficiently between these layers of protection is crucial. And it helps me better understand the weaknesses and exploit vectors.

    I think everyone should consider working together with their computer, rather than asking it to do stuff and trusting it. That's because when something fails (and it probably will for most people) you know what goes on and aren't completely lost.

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    oh and I disabled "autorun.inf" on any drive. That's the most crippling thing I've done so far, but I can find the executable that needs to be run anyway. Inserted flash drives won't open the folder and clicking on their icon (or choosing context menu options) won't run the virus either. I completely forgot about this feature.

    I'm always displaying system and hidden files and their extensions. That's probably the most important thing someone can do. Even more important than "preventing executables". If someone doesn't understand the basics, they'd probably select "allow" when double clicking on malware with an innocuous icon. Changing the default system icons can help there, but I didn't go that far.

    Adding an executable to the whitelist can also be a vector for viruses. It's easy to change the file metadata, so checking the "modified date" of the file might not even work from Anti-Executable's perspective. IMO that program is fundamentally flawed and dangerous for those who don't completely understand it. Adding security in one place lowers it in others.. That's how humans work when they trust things. If it works for you, I congratulate you, but I wouldn't recommend shortcuts to strangers. I got sidetracked when I mentioned that program in the previous paragraph... :o
     
         
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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    .....But your system performance will reduce drastically......BTW you can use bit defender total security.....
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsujan9484 View Post
    .....But your system performance will reduce drastically......BTW you can use bit defender total security.....
    Was that directed at me?

    Why would my system's performance reduce at all?
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alkad View Post
    Was that directed at me?

    Why would my system's performance reduce at all?
    any anti malware programs are programmed to run in silent mode...i mean they are always running in background, scanning your system....so they will be consuming a lot of RAM memory...this is why double anti malware programs are not recommended to install.....in your thread you mentioned to install 3 anti malware programs.....i would never do that if i were you....instead i would install a total security program and may be an USB protector as well...

    you can get cool info from my blog...
    http://justaskme247.blogspot.com/
     
         
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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsujan9484 View Post
    any anti malware programs are programmed to run in silent mode...i mean they are always running in background, scanning your system....so they will be consuming a lot of RAM memory...this is why double anti malware programs are not recommended to install.....in your thread you mentioned to install 3 anti malware programs.....i would never do that if i were you....instead i would install a total security program and may be an USB protector as well...

    you can get cool info from my blog...
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    I don't think I've ever said that. I have Windows Security Essentials, because it comes with Windows or something.. Removing it would also get me banned from my network.

    The only "proper" anti-malware program that I have is Avast. I think I made a specific point in not having more than one antivirus program installed.

    Sandboxie isn't anti-malware by design, although it can be made to function as such. It doesn't scan anything in the background and I always forget that it's even running.
     
         

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    Re: What's your KUNG FU?

    I'm open to all options available, but my status quo dictates that I have to use the multi-layered system defense setup. I have nothing to worry about those progams (Anti Virus + Anti Executable + Instant System Restore) slowering my computer performance, because I have been doing this since Pentium 4 era, but now I have I3 CPU with 4GB RAM. Like I said on my earlier post, that knowing your computer specs and properties will go hand in hand if you wish to have a multi-layered "Kung Fu" like mine.

    Computer is a tool and not a pet, you should not give yourself a hard time in maintaining it. If my "Kung Fu" suggestion doesn't work for you, then do what ever suits you. At least I have presented an alternative that is more convenient to the user, and so tedious and risky like others are suggesting.

    By the end of the day, we have the same goal. No one is right or wrong here. We are just exchanging ideas for the benefit of everybody. I'm just sharing with you guys that I never had a virus, malware, spyware infestations or lost programs in my computer, thanks to my added system precautionary measures.

    If you want to add more, please share your ideas in how to have a strong system "Kung Fu".
     
         

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