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    Yes, he could.


    Is that why Nnoitra forced Kenpachi to use both arms?
    Kenpachi himself admitted he'd die if he didn't use full force:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-765-16/...apter-311.html
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    Stop downplaying Nnoitra.


    His wolves are a part of his arsenal. That's a poor argument if you're using his wolves as an excuse.


    I'm not even going to try to interpret this because that'd be a waste of my time.



    You do realize that your entire post was in two sentences, right? Four at best but even that's debatable. Some advice, whether you're a native English speaker or not, learn you grammar and spell words correctly. No one's going to bother reading walls of texts that don't make sense. Even I almost quit reading half way into your reply.
    like i said the only reason noritra took kenpachi that far was becuz he had more arms power wise he was no match kenpachi just fights reckless he dont care bout being cut but if he gets serious he will show u that ur no match 4 him.

    wat makes u so sure kyraku can cut noritra skin there is no proof kenpachi physical power is greater than any captain besides yamamoto.

    an yea kyraku was going to use bankai cuz there wer to many ceros comeing his way but once he switch to the wolves it made it easier for kyraku to get close to him tell me im lying?

    about ur last thing just shut up an read it unless its to hard 4 ur little brain to get.
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    urahara of course, id like to see byakuya fight on par with aizen using just his shikai
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    Quote Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami View Post
    like i said the only reason noritra took kenpachi that far was becuz he had more arms power wise he was no match kenpachi just fights reckless he dont care bout being cut but if he gets serious he will show u that ur no match 4 him.

    wat makes u so sure kyraku can cut noritra skin there is no proof kenpachi physical power is greater than any captain besides yamamoto.

    an yea kyraku was going to use bankai cuz there wer to many ceros comeing his way but once he switch to the wolves it made it easier for kyraku to get close to him tell me im lying?

    about ur last thing just shut up an read it unless its to hard 4 ur little brain to get.
    mate, do you know what school is?
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    Quote Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami View Post
    like i said the only reason noritra took kenpachi that far was becuz he had more arms power wise he was no match kenpachi just fights reckless he dont care bout being cut but if he gets serious he will show u that ur no match 4 him.
    I don't see how you can be so ignorant. The definition of an Arrancar's Resurrecion is to release of their original Hollow powers - it makes them stronger. This is obvious.

    Nnoitra pushed Kenpachi on the back of his heels. That's all I'm going to say. If this still doesn't register Nnoitra's strength for you then you're hopeless.

    I don't even know why we're talking about Nnoitra because he has nothing to do with this topic. I brought him up in a simple example to make a direct correlation between the Espada rankings, Kenpachi, and Stark. If you don't see the kindergarten logic behind that then you're beyond hope.

    Quote Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami View Post
    wat makes u so sure kyraku can cut noritra skin there is no proof kenpachi physical power is greater than any captain besides yamamoto.
    Kenpachi is a mediocre Captain at best. With the former Vizard Captains returning to their divisions it readjusts the power scales in the Gotei 13.

    The fact that you're basically trying to say that Kenpachi is the second strongest Captain makes me wonder if you even read the manga.

    This alone should be enough to invalidate everything you've said thus far.

    Quote Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami View Post
    an yea kyraku was going to use bankai cuz there wer to many ceros comeing his way but once he switch to the wolves it made it easier for kyraku to get close to him tell me im lying?
    Why does it sound like you're trying to downplay Stark's Cero Metralleta?

    So Kyoraku contemplating whether or not to use his Bankai against Stark's, the Primera Espada, Cero Metralleta makes him weak? You're full of it.

    You do realize that Kyoraku was never at the end of his leash, right? At no point was he totally backed up against the wall by Stark. He was shot once when Ukitake was ambushed by Wonderweis. Nonetheless, Kyoraku still put up an even fight.

    Not to mention Stark juggled a total of 4 Captains (2 Veterans, and 2 Vizards) over the course of the fight. That is how powerful Stark was. Surprise, Kyoraku beat him.

    Quote Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami View Post
    about ur last thing just shut up an read it unless its to hard 4 ur little brain to get.
    I call you out for not knowing a shred of grammar and misspelling half the words in your post and you have the nerve to flame me for it? okay

    How about you go back to 2nd grade and re-learn your writing skills instead of getting pissed off at me for your shortcomings
     
         
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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    Quote Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami View Post
    like i said the only reason noritra took kenpachi that far was becuz he had more arms power wise he was no match kenpachi just fights reckless he dont care bout being cut but if he gets serious he will show u that ur no match 4 him.

    wat makes u so sure kyraku can cut noritra skin there is no proof kenpachi physical power is greater than any captain besides yamamoto.

    an yea kyraku was going to use bankai cuz there wer to many ceros comeing his way but once he switch to the wolves it made it easier for kyraku to get close to him tell me im lying?

    about ur last thing just shut up an read it unless its to hard 4 ur little brain to get.
    Someone is obviously getting mad. Don't overwork your pea sized brain, son.
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    Quote Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami View Post
    like i said the only reason noritra took kenpachi that far was becuz he had more arms power wise he was no match kenpachi just fights reckless he dont care bout being cut but if he gets serious he will show u that ur no match 4 him.

    wat makes u so sure kyraku can cut noritra skin there is no proof kenpachi physical power is greater than any captain besides yamamoto.

    an yea kyraku was going to use bankai cuz there wer to many ceros comeing his way but once he switch to the wolves it made it easier for kyraku to get close to him tell me im lying?

    about ur last thing just shut up an read it unless its to hard 4 ur little brain to get.
    so what those arms are a part of his power thats like saying "kenpachi is only strong cause hes strong" its just retarded. and kenpachi fights reckless? did you actually watch the fight, im pretty sure nnotria was the one sprinting toward a guy who had just unveiled a new ability which nnotria didnt know anything about

    and havent you noticed that kenpachis cutting power comes from his reiatsu? that is what that eye patch does, keeps his reiatsu under control and when it gets knocked of his cutting power increases so this means that to some extent cutting power=reiatsu this means that kyoraku a captain who has mastered swordsmanship to a level equal to kenpachi and has reiatsu nearly equal to kenpachi would almost certainly be able to cut nnotria

    and those ceros? i doubt it firing 1000 ceros must have been tireing so it is likely that starrk just couldnt do it again because of how tiring it was/is otherwise starrk would have continued firing them, he was smart
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    Urahara wins and because of this:

    Imo Urahara's shikai is more powerfull then Byakuya's shikai, because of the offensive/defensive abilities it has while Senbonzakura has only one ability.

    Also when Renji was training with Chad using his Bankai, Renji asked why Urahara didnt do it himself since he was a former captain and could use his bankai too. His answer was that it wasnt fitted for training purpose. Otherwise it's probably a bankai with high destructive power.

    And third:
    Urahara is smarter then Byakuya which also gives him a slight adventage.

    Add those three together and my vote goes to Urahara.
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    Quote Originally Posted by NLee View Post
    I don't see how you can be so ignorant. The definition of an Arrancar's Resurrecion is to release of their original Hollow powers - it makes them stronger. This is obvious.

    Nnoitra pushed Kenpachi on the back of his heels. That's all I'm going to say. If this still doesn't register Nnoitra's strength for you then you're hopeless.

    I don't even know why we're talking about Nnoitra because he has nothing to do with this topic. I brought him up in a simple example to make a direct correlation between the Espada rankings, Kenpachi, and Stark. If you don't see the kindergarten logic behind that then you're beyond hope.



    Kenpachi is a mediocre Captain at best. With the former Vizard Captains returning to their divisions it readjusts the power scales in the Gotei 13.

    The fact that you're basically trying to say that Kenpachi is the second strongest Captain makes me wonder if you even read the manga.

    This alone should be enough to invalidate everything you've said thus far.



    Why does it sound like you're trying to downplay Stark's Cero Metralleta?

    So Kyoraku contemplating whether or not to use his Bankai against Stark's, the Primera Espada, Cero Metralleta makes him weak? You're full of it.

    You do realize that Kyoraku was never at the end of his leash, right? At no point was he totally backed up against the wall by Stark. He was shot once when Ukitake was ambushed by Wonderweis. Nonetheless, Kyoraku still put up an even fight.

    Not to mention Stark juggled a total of 4 Captains (2 Veterans, and 2 Vizards) over the course of the fight. That is how powerful Stark was. Surprise, Kyoraku beat him.



    I call you out for not knowing a shred of grammar and misspelling half the words in your post and you have the nerve to flame me for it? okay

    How about you go back to 2nd grade and re-learn your writing skills instead of getting pissed off at me for your shortcomings
    to get things right noritra was never a match in the first place lest get that straight just like how zommimaru how ever u spell the guy name the 1 that fought byakuya, byakuya could have killed him soon as the fight started but no.

    Never said kenpachi was the second strongest caPtian those spots belong to kyraku an ukitake an unahana. I'm just saying he can Probly beat urahara.

    down grade Starks power stark was fighting at full force while all 4 of those captains wer holding bac yea stark weak.an yea that's y kyraku said he was going to use bankai cuz he was being forced cuz he could not get close but once those wolves came out kyraku got to him the wolves messed him up can't u see dat.

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

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    Someone is obviously getting mad. Don't overwork your pea sized brain, son.
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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

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    so what those arms are a part of his power thats like saying "kenpachi is only strong cause hes strong" its just retarded. and kenpachi fights reckless? did you actually watch the fight, im pretty sure nnotria was the one sprinting toward a guy who had just unveiled a new ability which nnotria didnt know anything about

    and havent you noticed that kenpachis cutting power comes from his reiatsu? that is what that eye patch does, keeps his reiatsu under control and when it gets knocked of his cutting power increases so this means that to some extent cutting power=reiatsu this means that kyoraku a captain who has mastered swordsmanship to a level equal to kenpachi and has reiatsu nearly equal to kenpachi would almost certainly be able to cut nnotria

    and those ceros? i doubt it firing 1000 ceros must have been tireing so it is likely that starrk just couldnt do it again because of how tiring it was/is otherwise starrk would have continued firing them, he was smart
    Like I told nlee noritra was never really a match kenpachi could have been killed him off..yea kyraku reiatsu is high but not on kenpachi

    Naw he could have switch be he did not an got a beat down by a caption that was only useing shikai how weak.
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    I don't really think a good arguement is being made in favor of Byakuya but I believe that he would lose, however it would not be a dominant fight in Urahara's favor. High difficulty fight. Both are precision fighters with high battle intelect, high kido levels and speed. But Ura would get the better of Byakuya. The only thing Byakuya would have on Uru would be speed and the use of his Bonkai but its been shown to be manuverable by intelligent fighters which is what Uru is.
    In my opinion they are very similar fighters and what they rely on mostly it would look like this stats wise (not based off the "official" stat book)
    Byakuya
    speed 9.5/10
    intellect 9/10
    kido 8.5/10

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    intellect 10/10
    kido 10/10
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    seriously,even though i do like byakuta,but it is is jus too obvious that urahara wins this,and don't say he fight wweak characters,cos yammy is no weak,and if it was byakuya that faced byakuya that way,byakuya wudnt b in gud place,cos it was jus a sudden stuff,and i doubt byakuya wud dodge WW easily like Urahara d,even Ukitaki couldn't,cos WW is jus too creepy,and does things unexpected,but Urahara d well dea,and he is d most brillant and knowlegdible character now,byakuya will put up a good fight,but will still lose
     
         

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    seriously,even though i do like byakuta,but it is is jus too obvious that urahara wins this,and don't say he fight wweak characters,cos yammy is no weak,and if it was byakuya that faced byakuya that way,byakuya wudnt b in gud place,cos it was jus a sudden stuff,and i doubt byakuya wud dodge WW easily like Urahara d,even Ukitaki couldn't,cos WW is jus too creepy,and does things unexpected,but Urahara d well dea,and he is d most brillant and knowlegdible character now,byakuya will put up a good fight,but will still lose
    yammy was weak bac then byakuya would hav beat his ass to death ww wont serious etheir byakuya would have beat him like it was nonthing as well.,,urahara fights weak people like wat if he fought the espada byakuya fought how would that have turned out?
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    Quote Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami View Post
    yammy was weak bac then byakuya would hav beat his ass to death ww wont serious etheir byakuya would have beat him like it was nonthing as well.,,urahara fights weak people like wat if he fought the espada byakuya fought how would that have turned out?
    Urahara fought weak people? Doubt that, and also Urahara is not as weak as you think. He's on the higher end of the captain power scale imo.
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

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    Urahara fought weak people? Doubt that, and also Urahara is not as weak as you think. He's on the higher end of the captain power scale imo.
    i kno urahara not weak but he only fights weak people only strong guy he fought was aizen like i said netheir yammy or WW was using any of their real power.
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    Quote Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami View Post
    i kno urahara not weak but he only fights weak people only strong guy he fought was aizen like i said netheir yammy or WW was using any of their real power.
    You said what would happen if Urahara fought against the espada Byakuya fought who's name is Zommari. Urahara would've killed him in half the time it took Byakuya tbh.
     
         

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    You said what would happen if Urahara fought against the espada Byakuya fought who's name is Zommari. Urahara would've killed him in half the time it took Byakuya tbh.
    an u r wrong cuz no captian fights serious in the start of a fight an wat would he have one to escape his 52 eyes? aint no telling wat he would have done but it would have took him longer than byakuya
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

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    an u r wrong cuz no captian fights serious in the start of a fight an wat would he have one to escape his 52 eyes? aint no telling wat he would have done but it would have took him longer than byakuya
    I'm wrong? Do we know the extent of Urahara's zanpakuto? No we don't. So how can you say it would have taken him longer? Remember Urahara has not once used his Bankai. I can easily say Urahara's base power is > than Byakuya's. Urahara also knows much more Kido than Byakuya, higher level ones too. And Urahara..is a genius.

    Like you said, we don't know what Urahara can pull out.
     
         

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    I'm wrong? Do we know the extent of Urahara's zanpakuto? No we don't. So how can you say it would have taken him longer? Remember Urahara has not once used his Bankai. I can easily say Urahara's base power is > than Byakuya's. Urahara also knows much more Kido than Byakuya, higher level ones too. And Urahara..is a genius.

    Like you said, we don't know what Urahara can pull out.
    If byakuya fought the people that urahara fought byakuya would have not used his bankai yet etheir.he Probly knos more kido than byakuya. An byakuya is smart aswell
     
         

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    Re: Byakuya vs Urahara

    Quote Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami View Post
    If byakuya fought the people that urahara fought byakuya would have not used his bankai yet etheir.he Probly knos more kido than byakuya. An byakuya is smart aswell
    Are you seriously judging Urahara's strength based on the people he's fought? The the hell kind of failed reasoning is that?

    It doesn't matter who they've fought. It should be obvious that Urahara is stronger than Byakuya. Not only is he over 100 years older than he is, he's also the smartest person in the entire Bleach manga. You think Byakuya would beat him in a fight? It's completely and utterly feasible that even with Urahara's Shikai that he'd figure out Byakuya's "no damage zone" in a matter of minutes and go after it. That's what it means to be a genius...which Urahara is.

    And if you really wanna compare him and Byakuya to Zommari (U.U) then it makes it even worse for you. Zommari's Amor was comparable to Kido techniques and Urahara is one of the best in the art. Again, nothing in your argument even suggests that Byakuya is stronger. All you're doing is repeating the same thing over again which lub's already addressed.
     
         

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