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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    I'm sure the pic was posted.


    Edo Madara absorbed the chakra in Gaara's sand therefore nullifying the sand.

    The same logic would apply in clones as they have chakra in them.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? Mokuton is chakra! It was made from chakra! Gaara's sand is real sand! Which is why it is listed under "tools".
    What does the amount of time it takes to absorb it have to do with anything? This tread is able whether he can absorb it or not. So stop trying to change the subject. He can absorb all forms of chakra. Gaara's sand is a TOOL. It isn't made from chakra. Fact.
    No matter how long it may take it, the Preta path is able to absorb any form of chakra.
    Hashi put chakra into the ground to accelerate the growth of trees, which he then manipulated...
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by mintoandkushina View Post
    Hashi put chakra into the ground to accelerate the growth of trees, which he then manipulated...
    Exactly the mokuton trees always appears from ground (mostly actual living trees) or the users body (always Wood coverings, doton users can cover themselves with rock too) . . . . . . If it was just doton and Suiton it could have been formed in the sky and dropped on someone.All forms of living mokuton needs ground to establish itself as its a actual tree.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by mintoandkushina View Post
    Hashi put chakra into the ground to accelerate the growth of trees, which he then manipulated...
    No, Hashirama just forces his Mokuton to grow anywhere in the ground.
    He is still using his own chakra to make it which is why he is able to use it anywhere. It is impossible to grow a tree from nothing... you would need a seed first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Life force is not chakra. Do u know what chakra is? Its the mixture of spiritual energy and stamina. Every living thing has spirit and stamina and so has chakra. If chakra reaches 0, it would mean its stamina has reached 0 and would naturally mean death through exhaustion. Mokuton has life force which makes it a living thing unlike fire, oil, lightning etc. that should make a difference cos it is never said Preta path can absorb unmoulded chakra or living things.
    Life force is the Yang half of chakra (the physical half). Which is why Yamato said that Naruto's Yang cloak is brimming with life force. Even in Japanese mythology (which is what Kishi uses) Life force is part of chakra. Go and research it.
    When your chakra reached 0, it means that your life force is finished. Then you die. What you said is just wrong. Stamina isn't chakra itself, it just makes up part of chakra just like the life force. Taijutsu doesn't use chakra yet they are able to feel tired (look at rock lee). When your chakra reaches 0, both your life force and stamina reach 0 aswell.
    Hashirama's Mokuton is a living thing but it is still chakra. You just have to accept it.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by francois347 View Post
    But that would also mean that if the first creates wood which is physical then petra cant absorb
    well said my friend,and yes as you said if physical forms of energy can't be absorbed by preta path the n how can it absorb wood style which in itself is a very complex element.

    Therefore it is only logical that we can assume there are a few techniques that limits the absorption seal of the preta path.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by iEspada View Post
    ok the nagato fans are going craty with preta path and post the page where it is say that ANY ninjutsu can be absorbed no matter which form.

    preta path got his ass kicked by kagebunshins? why? why preta didnt absorb the kagebunshins when they have touched him and throw to the ground? kagebunshins are a ninjutsu created by using chakra. a form of chakra.

    i doubt you can, fools. before you wont give me a reasonable reason why preta couldnt, whe shouldnt debate about preta which such a high meaning.

    tell me, cmmon.
    he can absorb a clone he till the charka reach zero and the clone goes poof.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by soulreaper11 View Post
    he can absorb a clone he till the charka reach zero and the clone goes poof.
    True. People tend to think that the absorption is instant however. It is not. It takes time, as we have seen. In an actual fight, it would be difficult to completely restrain clones in combat to absorb all of their chakra. Just like it would be impossible for Nagato to somehow get his immobile tail in contact for long enough to absorb a Susanoo without getting attacked.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLukyso View Post
    The Preta also can't absorb Susanoo..
    Exactly. Susanoo aint made out of chakra. Like totsuka blade, its spiritual energy
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    It's still a copy of Naruto. So it needs to be grabbed and drained of chakra, just like the real Naruto. The Preta barrier isn't gonna just block the clone from tackling him..
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    , how hard is it really to understand that a shadow clone is materialized chakra into a physical entity.

    Retards seriously.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Do you people think hashirama controls his wood with mindpowers?
    Honestly? do you think????

    He controls them with chakra... Just like gaara controls sand with chakra..
    What happened when madara absorbed gaara's chakra in the sand? it dropped to the floor...

    If you utilized any miniscule bit of commonsense... What do you think would happen when Hashirama's wood becomes void of all chakra?

    Absorbing the wood as an entity itself doesn't even matter, thought that to has already been explained..
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    I think i understand what everyone's saying. But honestly i just think you guys are holding on to two different parts of an argument.

    #1

    I don't remember your name but the guy who is talking about the motukon being absorbed is right. If the motukon is formed in the same way as haku hyoton moves (i dont know if thats how you spell it)... haku's ice moves in other words then it will dissapear as it is straight chakra.

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    The other side of the argument is what if it isn't just chakra. This is what i think people aren't understanding about this side of the argument. They are kind of making a stretch but you guys shoot it down without thinking of it their way. My example would be if they were in a forest would it be possible for hashi to shoot his chakra into the ground and into the roots of the forest and make those tree's grow to greater length and attack. This is a big stretch but if it was true then i mean it wouldn't be able to be absorbed maybe the growth halted but that's it as that tree would not be of hashi's chakra and (yang release? i don't know which one lmao). Anyway don't get all angry at me just trying to make more sense of things not saying i believe any of it or anything just trying to make everyone's points make sense to everyone.

    BTW to stay on topic shadow clone would be absorbed no questions asked. The exact style it would be absorbed is iffy but that's irrelevant any kind of clone would be useless to preta path.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    but if preta path can find a way to restrain the clone and absorb its chakra, surely the clone wuld go poof!!
    Is that not still absorbing?
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Kagebunshin are made f finite amounts of chakra. Therefore he absorbs a part of that one when it uses a ninja technique. He uses the absorption technique while blocking so only the chakra they throw at him will be absorbed.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Nagato can absorb chakra from your body, we've all witnessed him absorb sage mode. Nagato can simply absorb chakra from a shadow clone and make it disappear. Anything with chakra gets absorbed by preta path, not only the jutsu that arent your favorite
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by PrakatusPrime View Post
    Exactly. Susanoo aint made out of chakra. Like totsuka blade, its spiritual energy
    No, it is not like the blade, it is made out of chakra. It is not spiritual energy. If it was, It would cause no CHAKRA drain to the user. Susano is a jutsu not a spiritual object.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Funnily enough, every one has potential for yin and yang . . . . in fact every genjutsu is yin release ...... Its just that Hashi's yang release is stronger and thus his Mokuton stronger. Plus u forget Yamato, Zetsu and Danzo have part of Hashiirama in him which allows them mokuton in the first place. Also as the mokuton appears and grows, the chakra (yang) has already been converted to life force, so naraka path will have to attack the user physically at the body where the conversion is taking place.



    Those are regular trees not chakra infused gaint trees. Also ST cant do much harm underground.

    Also note this is not a VS thread.
    This isn't a thread about the first hokage either
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Q of the Sharingan View Post
    True. People tend to think that the absorption is instant however. It is not. It takes time, as we have seen. In an actual fight, it would be difficult to completely restrain clones in combat to absorb all of their chakra. Just like it would be impossible for Nagato to somehow get his immobile tail in contact for long enough to absorb a Susanoo without getting attacked.
    It doesn't take that long to absorb chakra. Look how quickly he rinsed Naruto of sage mode and Bee in his v2 mode. I also don't think it would be difficult to restrain the target either look at how easily Nagato got km Naruto and Bee at the same time. Susanoo wouldn't be able to attack if it's getting absorbed as the chakra looses it's shape.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Well Can Kumai be absorbed or what? Its a jutsu that splits dimensions. SO if Kakashi used Kumai on the preta path would it absorb it? If it does then certainly wood, susano would be absorbed, and how about Sasukes Kirin jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Do you people think hashirama controls his wood with mindpowers?
    Honestly? do you think????

    He controls them with chakra... Just like gaara controls sand with chakra..
    What happened when madara absorbed gaara's chakra in the sand? it dropped to the floor...

    If you utilized any miniscule bit of commonsense... What do you think would happen when Hashirama's wood becomes void of all chakra?

    Absorbing the wood as an entity itself doesn't even matter, thought that to has already been explained..
    This is where u and ispeak go wrong. If hashi uses chakra to make wood, then the wood can be absorbed. But since he speeds up growth of wood with his chakra(according to data book), the chakra can be absorbed, making hashi incapable of manipulating it. But the already formed wood remains. It is that simple. You have to understand how this particular ninjutsu works, for certain ninjutsu are not directed to the opponent. But rather its effect is. In this particular case it cant be absorbed because it not the ninjutsu but rather it's effect.
    If u use a ninjutsu to make a hill crumble and the rocks are about to hit nagato, he cant absorb those rocks. But he can actually stop the chakra u use to do that.
     
         
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