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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    no he can if u see the pain vs naruto fight the one that caught the preta path guy was the original naruto...
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Well here are Databook scans:







    Now these are translations:

    Mokubunshin no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    Yamato creates a bunshin by changing his own cells using chakra. Stronger than your average bunshin, these bunshin won't disappear after one attack by an enemy. Also because it can become one with vegetation it demonstrates it strength by scouting out areas.

    Mokuton - Daijurin no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This jutsu allows the user to transform their arm into a giant tree. Using chakra Yamato transforms his cells into timber as well as stimulating it and increasing growth, or as the situation calls for it, causing it to branch out rapidly. Yamato can capture enemies in his branch or transforming the tips of them into sharp spears and using it as a piercing weapon.

    Mokuton - Mokujouheki
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This jutsu has Yamato surge the roots in the ground to have them sprout wooden pillars up from both sides of Yamato, using him as the base point. With him at the center he can also create a dome like pillar in which it can be used as a clamping attack on enemy. When confronting an enemy in close range combat occasionally by closing the enemy alone, or even both of them together in a dome, can change the situation into a one on one fight. Yet another use of this jutsu is by creating a simple shelter can shield himself from shuriken or kunai thrown by long-range opponents. This jutsu truly is an all purpose wall!

    Mokuton - Shichuuka no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    The user flows their chakra into the ground and uses the roots of vegetation as building material. This jutsu forms the material into a building as it rapidly stimulates its growth. Just like "Shichuurou no Jutsu" the size and shape of the building is made from the way the user, Yamato's memory or artistic impression. By having a barrier charm placed on the "Shichuuka" they can relax in their "camp" knowing they're free from enemy's sight.

    Mokuton - Shichuurou no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    Yamato creates a tree prison by using the land to change his chakra into building materials and shaping it as it rapidly grows. From bug sized prisons to huge prisons the size depends on how Yamato wants it as he's able to change it by the amount of chakra he uses. The building materials are coated with Yamato's chakra and so make breaking it extremely difficult to do.

    Mokuton no Jutsu
    Yamato/Shodaihokage
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This legendary "secret jutsu" allows the user to change chakra into the origin of life which is currently only possible by Yamato. A "Kekkei Genkai" allowing the user to use the basic nature of both "Suiton" and "Doton" together to create vegetation and trees and then by changing those to allows him to demonstrate his dominance in both offense and defense.

    So as far the translations:
    1. A mokuton user uses his own cells to change them into hard wood.
    OR
    2. Uses his suiton, doton and life force(converted from chakra) to create a plant life and stimulate its growth.
    OR
    3. Simply modifies the life within the soil and stimulates its growth.

    So the mokuton trees are just modified life forms the user merely uses his suiton, doton and life force to accererate and control their growth, much like Tsunade's Rebirth Tech which uses chakra to increase mitosis and heals the wounds naturally but in super fast and much more complete way. So if Preta path can absorb mokuton, he absorb Tsunade herself as her body itself is a result of ninjutsu.

    Quote Originally Posted by PureSkillz View Post
    This basically ended the thread.

    If it was the real Naruto that tackled Preta Path you have no argument.

    And Nagato should (in theory) be able to absorb the chakra out of the trees, preventing them from moving any further. It wouldn't absorb the tree itself though.
    Absolutely as only the birth of the trees and the their growth is stimulated by the Ninjutsu, so the growth can be stopped but not the trees itself ...... Like Preta can stop the a medical ninjutsu but can not unheal the portion of the wound that is already healed.

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    Anyway, Naruto has a cloak of life force.

    Naruto's cloak of life force was absorbed by Nagato.

    Nagato can absorb life force. Fact.

    By the way iSpeak, look before u speak, if u see carefully what Nagato is doing u will notice Nagato is pulling away Naruto's soul using Human Path. So ur fact ' Nagato can absorb life force. Fact.' is not fact at all. Next time dont try to mislead everyone with lies.
    Another lie u r repeating is that chakra and life force are the same, chakra needs 'stamina' not 'life force' . . . . If u exhaust ur stamina by using taijutsu or by moulding chakra u die out of exhaustions. It has nothing to do with life force. See for yourself: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/090/5 Next time research before u speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by saar0507 View Post
    no he can if u see the pain vs naruto fight the one that caught the preta path guy was the original naruto...
    If u see this page: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/100/6 u will notice that clones are EXACTLY like the original, not just a sack of chakra. It has chakra circulatory system, has independent thoughts etc in a nut shell it is exactly same except for the fact one attack makes it go poof.


    Also Susano itself may not be absorbable by Preta Path, see this for possibility:
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Well here are Databook scans:







    Now these are translations:

    Mokubunshin no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    Yamato creates a bunshin by changing his own cells using chakra. Stronger than your average bunshin, these bunshin won't disappear after one attack by an enemy. Also because it can become one with vegetation it demonstrates it strength by scouting out areas.

    Mokuton - Daijurin no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This jutsu allows the user to transform their arm into a giant tree. Using chakra Yamato transforms his cells into timber as well as stimulating it and increasing growth, or as the situation calls for it, causing it to branch out rapidly. Yamato can capture enemies in his branch or transforming the tips of them into sharp spears and using it as a piercing weapon.

    Mokuton - Mokujouheki
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This jutsu has Yamato surge the roots in the ground to have them sprout wooden pillars up from both sides of Yamato, using him as the base point. With him at the center he can also create a dome like pillar in which it can be used as a clamping attack on enemy. When confronting an enemy in close range combat occasionally by closing the enemy alone, or even both of them together in a dome, can change the situation into a one on one fight. Yet another use of this jutsu is by creating a simple shelter can shield himself from shuriken or kunai thrown by long-range opponents. This jutsu truly is an all purpose wall!

    Mokuton - Shichuuka no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    The user flows their chakra into the ground and uses the roots of vegetation as building material. This jutsu forms the material into a building as it rapidly stimulates its growth. Just like "Shichuurou no Jutsu" the size and shape of the building is made from the way the user, Yamato's memory or artistic impression. By having a barrier charm placed on the "Shichuuka" they can relax in their "camp" knowing they're free from enemy's sight.

    Mokuton - Shichuurou no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    Yamato creates a tree prison by using the land to change his chakra into building materials and shaping it as it rapidly grows. From bug sized prisons to huge prisons the size depends on how Yamato wants it as he's able to change it by the amount of chakra he uses. The building materials are coated with Yamato's chakra and so make breaking it extremely difficult to do.

    Mokuton no Jutsu
    Yamato/Shodaihokage
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This legendary "secret jutsu" allows the user to change chakra into the origin of life which is currently only possible by Yamato. A "Kekkei Genkai" allowing the user to use the basic nature of both "Suiton" and "Doton" together to create vegetation and trees and then by changing those to allows him to demonstrate his dominance in both offense and defense.

    So as far the translations:
    1. A mokuton user uses his own cells to change them into hard wood.
    OR
    2. Uses his suiton, doton and life force(converted from chakra) to create a plant life and stimulate its growth.
    OR
    3. Simply modifies the life within the soil and stimulates its growth.

    So the mokuton trees are just modified life forms the user merely uses his suiton, doton and life force to accererate and control their growth, much like Tsunade's Rebirth Tech which uses chakra to increase mitosis and heals the wounds naturally but in super fast and much more complete way. So if Preta path can absorb mokuton, he absorb Tsunade herself as her body itself is a result of ninjutsu.


    So does this databook page finally back up our facts?
    Didn't we say, that the Mokuton isn't a mere Ninjutsu?

    The Mokuton is a reproduction of cells by using Chakra, he reproduces his cells and creates by this way trees shooting out from his body, a real, natural matter. By fgiving chakra into the ground, he let the trees grow from their source of life; real, physical trees that are growing and being controlled from their roots. Hashiramas Chakra is working further like a dung, by giving it to their source of life furthermore, he increases their growth instantly and also controls them. How much Chakra Hashirama would actually have, if all his trees would be out of Chakra? Therefore the Mokuton can neither be absorbed, nor any Chakra inside.

    If Hashirama will shoot out trees from his body by reproducing his cells, Nagato won't be able to absorb it since neither his barrier can hold back physical things (except poor Chakra) nor absorb cells; this would indeed be like absorbing a human who is using Taijutsu since is body consists also out of cells and have Chakra inside.

    Yes, the databook says that Preta Path can absorb any Jutsu but this is rather an inaccurate and shallow information because most Ninjutsus are nothing more but a form of Chakra. By your logic nothing can affect Yatas mirror since the databook says that every technique loses their effect before this god, either it be Chibaku Tensei, nor a gigantic meteor or something else.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    sakura can absorb my penis in her vagina
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by saaaaaadpanda View Post
    Matter and energy are interconvertable. Shadow clones are a conversion from energy into physical matter. The Preta Path cannot absorb physical matter. /Thread.
    +rep
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Guys I am confused so preta path can absorb a PS but it can't absorb a shadow clone?
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hidden Shinobi View Post
    Guys I am confused so preta path can absorb a PS but it can't absorb a shadow clone?
    No proper proof that it can absorb PS or not . . . . in page http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/551/8 and in later pages Nagato didnt try to absorb Susano, it can mean that he is perhaps unable to absorb Susano.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Well here are Databook scans:







    Now these are translations:

    Mokubunshin no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    Yamato creates a bunshin by changing his own cells using chakra. Stronger than your average bunshin, these bunshin won't disappear after one attack by an enemy. Also because it can become one with vegetation it demonstrates it strength by scouting out areas.

    Mokuton - Daijurin no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This jutsu allows the user to transform their arm into a giant tree. Using chakra Yamato transforms his cells into timber as well as stimulating it and increasing growth, or as the situation calls for it, causing it to branch out rapidly. Yamato can capture enemies in his branch or transforming the tips of them into sharp spears and using it as a piercing weapon.

    Mokuton - Mokujouheki
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This jutsu has Yamato surge the roots in the ground to have them sprout wooden pillars up from both sides of Yamato, using him as the base point. With him at the center he can also create a dome like pillar in which it can be used as a clamping attack on enemy. When confronting an enemy in close range combat occasionally by closing the enemy alone, or even both of them together in a dome, can change the situation into a one on one fight. Yet another use of this jutsu is by creating a simple shelter can shield himself from shuriken or kunai thrown by long-range opponents. This jutsu truly is an all purpose wall!

    Mokuton - Shichuuka no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    The user flows their chakra into the ground and uses the roots of vegetation as building material. This jutsu forms the material into a building as it rapidly stimulates its growth. Just like "Shichuurou no Jutsu" the size and shape of the building is made from the way the user, Yamato's memory or artistic impression. By having a barrier charm placed on the "Shichuuka" they can relax in their "camp" knowing they're free from enemy's sight.

    Mokuton - Shichuurou no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    Yamato creates a tree prison by using the land to change his chakra into building materials and shaping it as it rapidly grows. From bug sized prisons to huge prisons the size depends on how Yamato wants it as he's able to change it by the amount of chakra he uses. The building materials are coated with Yamato's chakra and so make breaking it extremely difficult to do.

    Mokuton no Jutsu
    Yamato/Shodaihokage
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This legendary "secret jutsu" allows the user to change chakra into the origin of life which is currently only possible by Yamato. A "Kekkei Genkai" allowing the user to use the basic nature of both "Suiton" and "Doton" together to create vegetation and trees and then by changing those to allows him to demonstrate his dominance in both offense and defense.

    So as far the translations:
    1. A mokuton user uses his own cells to change them into hard wood.
    OR
    2. Uses his suiton, doton and life force(converted from chakra) to create a plant life and stimulate its growth.
    OR
    3. Simply modifies the life within the soil and stimulates its growth.

    So the mokuton trees are just modified life forms the user merely uses his suiton, doton and life force to accererate and control their growth, much like Tsunade's Rebirth Tech which uses chakra to increase mitosis and heals the wounds naturally but in super fast and much more complete way. So if Preta path can absorb mokuton, he absorb Tsunade herself as her body itself is a result of ninjutsu.
    +rep for that I couldnt be bothered with him anymore as the databook was already brought up but he didnt acknowledge it:sy:
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Well here are Databook scans:







    Now these are translations:

    Mokubunshin no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    Yamato creates a bunshin by changing his own cells using chakra. Stronger than your average bunshin, these bunshin won't disappear after one attack by an enemy. Also because it can become one with vegetation it demonstrates it strength by scouting out areas.

    Mokuton - Daijurin no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This jutsu allows the user to transform their arm into a giant tree. Using chakra Yamato transforms his cells into timber as well as stimulating it and increasing growth, or as the situation calls for it, causing it to branch out rapidly. Yamato can capture enemies in his branch or transforming the tips of them into sharp spears and using it as a piercing weapon.

    Mokuton - Mokujouheki
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This jutsu has Yamato surge the roots in the ground to have them sprout wooden pillars up from both sides of Yamato, using him as the base point. With him at the center he can also create a dome like pillar in which it can be used as a clamping attack on enemy. When confronting an enemy in close range combat occasionally by closing the enemy alone, or even both of them together in a dome, can change the situation into a one on one fight. Yet another use of this jutsu is by creating a simple shelter can shield himself from shuriken or kunai thrown by long-range opponents. This jutsu truly is an all purpose wall!

    Mokuton - Shichuuka no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    The user flows their chakra into the ground and uses the roots of vegetation as building material. This jutsu forms the material into a building as it rapidly stimulates its growth. Just like "Shichuurou no Jutsu" the size and shape of the building is made from the way the user, Yamato's memory or artistic impression. By having a barrier charm placed on the "Shichuuka" they can relax in their "camp" knowing they're free from enemy's sight.

    Mokuton - Shichuurou no Jutsu
    Yamato
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    Yamato creates a tree prison by using the land to change his chakra into building materials and shaping it as it rapidly grows. From bug sized prisons to huge prisons the size depends on how Yamato wants it as he's able to change it by the amount of chakra he uses. The building materials are coated with Yamato's chakra and so make breaking it extremely difficult to do.

    Mokuton no Jutsu
    Yamato/Shodaihokage
    Ninjutsu
    N/A
    This legendary "secret jutsu" allows the user to change chakra into the origin of life which is currently only possible by Yamato. A "Kekkei Genkai" allowing the user to use the basic nature of both "Suiton" and "Doton" together to create vegetation and trees and then by changing those to allows him to demonstrate his dominance in both offense and defense.

    So as far the translations:
    1. A mokuton user uses his own cells to change them into hard wood.
    OR
    2. Uses his suiton, doton and life force(converted from chakra) to create a plant life and stimulate its growth.
    OR
    3. Simply modifies the life within the soil and stimulates its growth.

    So the mokuton trees are just modified life forms the user merely uses his suiton, doton and life force to accererate and control their growth, much like Tsunade's Rebirth Tech which uses chakra to increase mitosis and heals the wounds naturally but in super fast and much more complete way. So if Preta path can absorb mokuton, he absorb Tsunade herself as her body itself is a result of ninjutsu.
    :rofl: Wow, the lows that these people stoop to. This guy went onto anifreak.com, copy and pasted the discriptions and acted like he got it from the databook. http://naruto.anifreak.com/information/jutsu%20guide/m
    And people actually agreeing with this guy? And on top of it all, those descriptions didn't even contradict with what I was saying anyway. If we went by those descriptions, Shichuuka no Jutsu would be the only one which would create real trees (though it still wouldn't make sense). All of the others use chakra to make them. Anyway, dont take me for an idiot. Bring me the english scans of the databook. I will know if it is the true scan or not.

    Look up the word vitality.
    the capacity to live, grow, or develop:
    Do you think she is actually creating her body parts from chakra or something? Yang has the power to grow and develop. She is re growing what she had previously lost. Her body isn't made from chakra, it is real. Is that really hard to understand? Adding Yang to a chakra made jutsu is completely different. The Jutsu is made from chakra. Adding life to it doesn't stop it from being chakra.
    I don't even have time to argue with shady people like you, who go on fan blog pages and pretend they got it from the databook.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    By the way iSpeak, look before u speak, if u see carefully what Nagato is doing u will notice Nagato is pulling away Naruto's soul using Human Path. So ur fact ' Nagato can absorb life force. Fact.' is not fact at all. Next time dont try to mislead everyone with lies.
    Another lie u r repeating is that chakra and life force are the same, chakra needs 'stamina' not 'life force' . . . . If u exhaust ur stamina by using taijutsu or by moulding chakra u die out of exhaustions. It has nothing to do with life force. See for yourself: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/090/5 Next time research before u speak.
    Yawn, Look at my next comment and you would clearly see say that it was a mistake. You need to learn how to read.
    Again, I didn't say chakra is life force, I said life force is in chakra. Just like stamina makes up part of the chakra. It is part of the Yang half of chakra, which is why Yamato say's Naruto is covered in life force. Even in Narutopedia they say it. Even in the japanese concept which Kishi follows, chakra contains life force. On every other forum I have been on, they agree. You are the only one that cant understand it. If you don't agree then you are in denial. Go and research chakra. I don't have time to explain it to you.
    Anyway, im done. I just cant be bothered with this debate anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    +rep for that I couldnt be bothered with him anymore as the databook was already brought up but he didnt acknowledge it:sy:
    I am sorry to say but you are actually an idiot. I asked you time and time again to bring me the translations yet you failed to do so. Now you are here lying to others saying it was posted before? Stop talking rubbish please.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    :rofl: Wow, the lows that these people stoop to. This guy went onto anifreak.com, copy and pasted the discriptions and acted like he got it from the databook. http://naruto.anifreak.com/information/jutsu%20guide/m
    And people actually agreeing with this guy? And on top of it all, those descriptions didn't even contradict with what I was saying anyway. If we went by those descriptions, Shichuuka no Jutsu would be the only one which would create real trees (though it still wouldn't make sense). All of the others use chakra to make them. Anyway, dont take me for an idiot. Bring me the english scans of the databook. I will know if it is the true scan or not.

    Look up the word vitality.
    the capacity to live, grow, or develop:
    Do you think she is actually creating her body parts from chakra or something? Yang has the power to grow and develop. She is re growing what she had previously lost. Her body isn't made from chakra, it is real. Is that really hard to understand? Adding Yang to a chakra made jutsu is completely different. The Jutsu is made from chakra. Adding life to it doesn't stop it from being chakra.
    I don't even have time to argue with shady people like you, who go on fan blog pages and pretend they got it from the databook.



    Yawn, Look at my next comment and you would clearly see say that it was a mistake. You need to learn how to read.
    Again, I didn't say chakra is life force, I said life force is in chakra. Just like stamina makes up part of the chakra. It is part of the Yang half of chakra, which is why Yamato say's Naruto is covered in life force. Even in Narutopedia they say it. Even in the japanese concept which Kishi follows, chakra contains life force. On every other forum I have been on, they agree. You are the only one that cant understand it. If you don't agree then you are in denial. Go and research chakra. I don't have time to explain it to you.
    Anyway, im done. I just cant be bothered with this debate anymore.



    I am sorry to say but you are actually an idiot. I asked you time and time again to bring me the translations yet you failed to do so. Now you are here lying to others saying it was posted before? Stop talking rubbish please.
    I have already countered all ur points and u have no counter for mine just assumption and wishful thinking that what a japanese have translated from the databooks is wrong lol. This is no longer a debate, just an advice.

    You are a 21st century guy with an internet, if u actually want to know how the ninjutsu works for urself. Download the freaking databook(its free on the internet). Use whatever means which u find reliable to translate as u dont rely on eng translated ones. Then u can start to question the credibility of japanese folks who take their time translate the books.
    You had a an argument with flori when he told u the pages to find out about mukoton. You response tells me u actually have a databook which u relied on
    The Databooks don't say that Mokuton is not chakra. If you disagree, then show me. Stop talking BS to try and make yourself look right.
    What you are saying is like saying the tailed beasts are not chakra either... what kind of BS are you talking? I have already countered everything you had to say but you couldn't reply back.
    Know what you are talking about before saying I fail...
    If this is the case then u are actaully trolling me, I guess i am an idiot like u say:D:D Congratzz
    Just out of curiosity how do you actually think the mukoton hashi's used on the village works as u dont believe the xplanation in our INCORRECTLY translated databook, what do those japan symbol which was screenshotted mean?:shrug:
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Also note that according to my explanation the Mokuton trees are natural trees whose growth is manipulated by the wood user and so acts like normal trees when left alone.
    Nothing has ever said natural trees are generated. An Uchiha's fire would act like normal fire when left alone, despite not being natural fire. Same jazz with Mokuton.

    Mokuton links with life force, but that doesn't make it anything more than recomposed chakra. You're citing outdated evidence and not even considering what an actual Mokuton user has told us.

    Well do u remember Kabuto using Orochimaru's chakra gathered from Anko to make the edo bindings stronger.
    Regardless that doesn't touch on what I said.

    No the chakra is not reversed, it absorbs the chakra into its own body. Note how Nagato's hair became red again after absorbing bee's chakra.
    Dude, read the databook. That is exactly how the Preta Path's jutsu works - by reversing chakra flow.
    The process is quick. There's a reason Nagato regained chakra and didn't used Hachibi powered Rinnegan Doujutsu.

    Kiba's clan rely on chakra too, or didnt u see akamaru transform and Kiba go on a super spin? Kiba does not have lee's level of physical training to rotate that fast.
    Kiba's clan aren't hardcore Ninjutsu users. Chakra is used minimally a lot of the time.

    A clone is a imitation which have equally divided chakra of the users at the time of creation. As i said they act just like a regular human being.
    The act like a normal being, and they're made solely of the divided chakra. That only suggests their absorbent nature.

    No Nagato was quite aware, or else how did he absorb or counter bee? Plus naruto caouldnt have made more clones when he is practically hanging on his chakra and soul. Plus KM clones are harder to make, and he already made a few.
    This doesn't make sense as you didn't even touch on the battle I mentioned.
    You completely dodged the question as to why Sage Naruto didn't allow a Sage clone to tackle Preta Path.

    Bcos Kakashi's Lighning clone exploded, Wood Clones are more dureable ect factors. Plus if it is not living, explain how can just chakra have their own experience to add them to the user or move about independently and think like the user etc If u say yin yang u forget that yang breathes life into a form.
    Clones are made of various things... all of which are all chakra, recomposed chakra.
    The clone has 'life', but it is still a chakra construct, more or less.

    You're making the mistake of associating the Rikudou Sennin's jutsu with Yin and Yang release. The Sage used Yin to make form and Yang to breath life into it - this is how the Bijuu were made.
    However Naruto, nor other clone users are not the Sage. If they make 'life' it is with their pure chakra. Furthermore Yin and Yang chakra - as the name implies - is in fact chakra. Thus absorbent.

    Life force is not chakra. Do u know what chakra is? Its the mixture of spiritual energy and stamina. Every living thing has spirit and stamina and so has chakra. If chakra reaches 0, it would mean its stamina has reached 0 and would naturally mean death through exhaustion. Mokuton has life force which makes it a living thing unlike fire, oil, lightning etc. that should make a difference cos it is never said Preta path can absorb unmoulded chakra or living things.
    The user's life force - or chakra quality - impacts Mokuton. However you need to get out of this "life force" seat because that isn't actually an actual component in Mokuton's formation.
    The fact is, the actual components of Mokuton's formation are Suiton and Doton. All of which are absorbent.

    Mokuton is a Kekkei Genkai element, and like all other elements it is absorbent.

    Preta Path is the weakness of Ninjutsu.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post

    Look up the word vitality.
    the capacity to live, grow, or develop:
    Do you think she is actually creating her body parts from chakra or something? Yang has the power to grow and develop. She is re growing what she had previously lost. Her body isn't made from chakra, it is real. Is that really hard to understand? Adding Yang to a chakra made jutsu is completely different. The Jutsu is made from chakra. Adding life to it doesn't stop it from being chakra.
    Quote Originally Posted by Munboy View Post
    Nothing has ever said natural trees are generated. An Uchiha's fire would act like normal fire when left alone, despite not being natural fire. Same jazz with Mokuton.

    Mokuton links with life force, but that doesn't make it anything more than recomposed chakra. You're citing outdated evidence and not even considering what an actual Mokuton user has told us.
    Ok i quoted both you guys so that your words would be in it and i would remember your names :P. But any who I'm gonna get on topic now. First i want to point out that you guys do make valid points and your definitely trying to prove those points valiantly.

    Now all i want to ask you guys (not as trying to get you guys to prove me wrong or shit just asking what you guys think of my thoughts) why can't the mokuton be manipulating actually tree's. I mean what stops them from being the same as suiton or doton users who can manipulate what is already there. Suiton users can use giant water bodies for their jutsu and doton the ground.
    So it could be very possible that the mokuton could be either 1) manipulating wood which is already their. or 2) Mokuton could be working similar to tsunade's diamond forehead jutsu (i don't know the name and don't wanna look it up lol) and just be speeding the growth of the cells in the tree.

    Now #1 would be stoppable if that was the case while #2 would not be. Remember not trying to prove you guys wrong don't want ya to get hostile lol. The one spot i have to correct someone is i think ispeak said that yamato doesn't have life to his wood. not sure if you corrected this but actually at the same time where he described how his mokuton worked he creates tree's with leaves and life. (this of course is when naruto was training to split waterfall with his chakra)
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkdeeds View Post
    Ok i quoted both you guys so that your words would be in it and i would remember your names :P. But any who I'm gonna get on topic now. First i want to point out that you guys do make valid points and your definitely trying to prove those points valiantly.

    Now all i want to ask you guys (not as trying to get you guys to prove me wrong or shit just asking what you guys think of my thoughts) why can't the mokuton be manipulating actually tree's. I mean what stops them from being the same as suiton or doton users who can manipulate what is already there. Suiton users can use giant water bodies for their jutsu and doton the ground.
    So it could be very possible that the mokuton could be either 1) manipulating wood which is already their. or 2) Mokuton could be working similar to tsunade's diamond forehead jutsu (i don't know the name and don't wanna look it up lol) and just be speeding the growth of the cells in the tree.

    Now #1 would be stoppable if that was the case while #2 would not be. Remember not trying to prove you guys wrong don't want ya to get hostile lol. The one spot i have to correct someone is i think ispeak said that yamato doesn't have life to his wood. not sure if you corrected this but actually at the same time where he described how his mokuton worked he creates tree's with leaves and life. (this of course is when naruto was training to split waterfall with his chakra)
    If the trees are natural made and they are simply controlling it, then obviously the trees themselves cant be absorbed (just like every other jutsu that controls real elements). But if the trees come from their own body then the whole thing can be absorbed, whether it has life or not. But people don't understand this and are saying that all the Mokuton techniques are not made from chakra and it comes directly from the ground, even though we can clearly see the Mokuton coming from the own users body in many techniques. If it comes from their own body, then it was made from chakra and can be absorbed. Just like the Mud Wall technique. There are Mokuton Jutsu's where the user creates trees from the ground using their own chakra aswell, which can also be absorbed.
    They might have some techniques that can grow real trees (thought it wouldn't make sense, since you would need a tree seed containing the embryo etc to grow a real tree), but this evidently isn't the case for every Mokuton Jutsu. That is my point.
     
         
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    Matter and energy are interconvertable. Shadow clones are a conversion from energy into physical matter. The Preta Path cannot absorb physical matter. /Thread.
    You just said matter and energy are incontrovertible, so therefor, the clone which is now physical matter can be converted into energy and absorbed. You contradicted yourself with this statement. We've already seen preta path absorb oil I think this was enough evidence.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkdeeds View Post
    Now all i want to ask you guys (not as trying to get you guys to prove me wrong or shit just asking what you guys think of my thoughts) why can't the mokuton be manipulating actually tree's. I mean what stops them from being the same as suiton or doton users who can manipulate what is already there. Suiton users can use giant water bodies for their jutsu and doton the ground.
    So it could be very possible that the mokuton could be either 1) manipulating wood which is already their. or 2) Mokuton could be working similar to tsunade's diamond forehead jutsu (i don't know the name and don't wanna look it up lol) and just be speeding the growth of the cells in the tree.
    Mokuton, like other elements, can (in theory) control natural wood. However the uses we have seen doesn't show us this.
    Suiton users send their chakra to a near by water source - they use the relevant manipulation to shape the natural water.
    Doton users do the same thing with earth.

    Now when you see Suiton and Doton users summon their elements out of the blue: that's their chakra and nothing more.

    A Mokuton user could control natural wood if they put their chakra within actual trees. However they spawn the trees out of no-where, which leads to one conclusion: its a chakra by-product.

    Tsunade's seal uses chakra to stimulate a natural process to certain levels. Preta Path absorbing the chakra wouldn't reverse the process, it would halt it.

    So Mokuton chakra which is channeled onto wood that already exists would work like Tsunade's jutsu; if Preta Path absorbs that, the chakra will just be gone preventing it from being further manipulated. Whereas Mokuton jutsu spawned from thin air, as it seems, is nothing more than a product of chakra.
     
         

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