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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/588/14
    Bottom left of the page show that the rinn cant absorb everything
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/588/15
    and here the kages are saying that they are gonna prevent him from absorbing their attacks.
    It implies that he cant absorb it all so he was forced to use PS
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    When its stated Preta Path can absorb any ninjutsu then guess what? It can absorb any ninjutsu and has demonstrated to be true everytime so far. Also whats the difference between the solidity of Gaara's sand and Hashirama's wood?

    Its funny how this page always seems to be forgotten.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    I think op is Talking about this perticular incident,




    It was not a clone but Naruto himself.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by francois347 View Post
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/588/14
    Bottom left of the page show that the rinn cant absorb everything
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/588/15
    and here the kages are saying that they are gonna prevent him from absorbing their attacks.
    It implies that he cant absorb it all so he was forced to use PS
    Preta path cant absorb Gaara's sand because the sand is real. It wasn't made from chakra.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEye View Post
    Its funny how this page always seems to be forgotten.
    He absorbed the Rasenshuriken by using the Preta Path with his outstratched hand, what it has to do with the sand on his other; can you actually say that he used the Preta Path with his whole body? In fact he was buried by Gaaras sand several times, why didn't he absorbed it?

    Many flaws in your claims. Preta Path can absorb Chakra in any form, but not each Ninjutsu is formed Chakra. Is the Ninjutsu 'Sanju Rashomon' a form of Chakra? Is Orochimarus Ninjutsu-Technique which let his neck grow a form of Chakra? No. Susanoo is a form of Chakra 'cause the Chakra forms into it. The Rasenshuriken is a form of Chakra by concentrating Chakra in his hand and giving some wind affinity to that. Jiraiyas oil is a form of Chakra, too. But the wood of the Mokuton is not a form of Chakra, Kimimaros Bones are no form of Ninjutsu, some other Ninjutsus, too.

    I mean even Madara states that physical techniques are working on him. Would Madara state this, if he could absorb the Cakra of objects in an instant? In this case Taijutsu is not working on the Preta Path, too, since one touch absorbs all the Chakra.

    Just think about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    Preta path cant absorb Gaara's sand because the sand is real. It wasn't made from chakra.
    But still it is a Ninjutsu, he uses his Chakra in oder to fetch the big masses of sand and control them. By absorbing the Chakra out if it instantly, he would render it useless; he would render anything useless by touching it, even people by using Taijutsu. You just contradict yourself.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    If it was made from chakra it's getting absorbed. If something is being manipulated by chakra like Gaara's sand only the chakra gets absorbed.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Strict View Post
    But still it is a Ninjutsu, he uses his Chakra in oder to fetch the big masses of sand and control them. By absorbing the Chakra out if it instantly, he would render it useless; he would render anything useless by touching it, even people by using Taijutsu. You just contradict yourself.
    What? Nothing I said contradicts with anything. Gaara can control sand... that is his ability. He was able to control the sand before he even infused chakra into it. He only infused chakra into it to make the sand stronger.
    The sand itself has no chakra inside it. It isn't a living thing. It wasn't made from chakra. Preta path can't absorb it.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    What? Nothing I said contradicts with anything. Gaara can control sand... that is his ability. He was able to control the sand before he even infused chakra into it. He only infused chakra into it to make it stronger.
    The sand itself has no chakra inside it. It isn't a living thing. It wasn't made from chakra. Preta path can't absorb it.
    I am right, though. Even if the Mokuton is controlled by Chakra too, it would take a time to absorb it but not in an instant by touching it while it is going to crush him. Therefore Madara stated purposely, that the weakness of Preta-Path are physical attacks. If he would drain out the Chakra of this amount of trees, the Preta Path would kill people when they are going to touch him, by absorbing the Chakra instantly.

    The battle situations you imagine are total illogical, in an actual fight he would never leave the wood useless with a touch, also he wouldn't absorb the Susanoo while the user is doing nothing.

    I agree that Nagato is able to absorb Susanoo or Chakra from objects, but let's stay logical.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Strict View Post
    He absorbed the Rasenshuriken by using the Preta Path with his outstratched hand, what it has to do with the sand on his other; can you actually say that he used the Preta Path with his whole body? In fact he was buried by Gaaras sand several times, why didn't he absorbed it?

    Many flaws in your claims. Preta Path can absorb Chakra in any form, but not each Ninjutsu is formed Chakra. Is the Ninjutsu 'Sanju Rashomon' a form of Chakra? Is Orochimarus Ninjutsu-Technique which let his neck grow a form of Chakra? No. Susanoo is a form of Chakra 'cause the Chakra forms into it. The Rasenshuriken is a form of Chakra by concentrating Chakra in his hand and giving some wind affinity to that. Jiraiyas oil is a form of Chakra, too. But the wood of the Mokuton is not a form of Chakra, Kimimaros Bones are no form of Ninjutsu, some other Ninjutsus, too.

    I mean even Madara states that physical techniques are working on him. Would Madara state this, if he could absorb the Cakra of objects in an instant? In this case Taijutsu is not working on the Preta Path, too, since one touch absorbs all the Chakra.

    Just think about it.

    Now you are just being a smartarse with those list of examples. By any form of ninjutsu we obviously mean the nature affinitys. The page I showed you shows Madara absorbing Naruto's RS as well as Gaara's sand, hence why it was rendered useless and started falling. It does not matter why he didnt absorb it before because that is not the point, the point is that Preta Path actually absorbed something solid as Gaara's sand through its chakra.

    Mokuton is not a form of chakra? Mate you obviously havent done your homework about Hashirama's KG since its a combo of water and earth natures. The main problem that people seem to believe that Preta Path actually physically absorbs, when in fact its merely absorbing the chakra that flows through it, ie. Gaara's sand.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Strict View Post
    I am right, though. Even if the Mokuton is controlled by Chakra too, it would take a time to absorb it but not in an instant by touching it while it is going to crush him. Therefore Madara stated purposely, that the weakness of Preta-Path are physical attacks. If he would drain out the Chakra of this amount of trees, the Preta Path would kill people when they are going to touch him, by absorbing the Chakra instantly.

    The battle situations you imagine are total illogical, in an actual fight he would never leave the wood useless with a touch, also he wouldn't absorb the Susanoo while the user is doing nothing.

    I agree that Nagato is able to absorb Susanoo or Chakra from objects, but let's stay logical.
    What the hell are you talking about? Mokuton is chakra! It was made from chakra! Gaara's sand is real sand! Which is why it is listed under "tools".
    What does the amount of time it takes to absorb it have to do with anything? This tread is able whether he can absorb it or not. So stop trying to change the subject. He can absorb all forms of chakra. Gaara's sand is a TOOL. It isn't made from chakra. Fact.
    No matter how long it may take it, the Preta path is able to absorb any form of chakra.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? Mokuton is chakra! It was made from chakra! Gaara's sand is real sand! Which is why it is listed under "tools".
    What does the amount of time it takes to absorb it have to do with anything? This tread is able whether he can absorb it or not. So stop trying to change the subject. He can absorb all forms of chakra. Gaara's sand is a TOOL. It isn't made from chakra. Fact.
    No matter how long it may take it, the Preta path is able to absorb any form of chakra.
    I already said that Nagato can absorb the Chakra out from the Mokuton too, but in an actual fight it is not feasible and this is what counts .
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    No Preta path cld absorb jirya's oil . . . . so the chakra spawned matter CAN be absorbed.
    I think preta absorbtion does not work on clones as they are imitations of life and have life force, and pretapath can only absorb chakra. Similarly Mokuton should have this immunity too as the trees are actually living things.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Strict View Post
    I already said that Nagato can absorb the Chakra out from the Mokuton too, but in an actual fight it is not feasible and this is what counts .
    The whole Mokuton is chakra. The chakra has just been materialised into a solid. The Preta path would be able to absorb all of it. It would just be like absorbing Susanoo.
    How long it would take and whether he would have enough time to do it is another question though.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Also people questioning about the time it would take to absorb anything by Nagato's Preta Path then observe this page again.

    Notice how fast Nagato absorbs Bee's chakra cloak form making him go back to his normal state in almost an instant.

     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    The whole Mokuton is chakra. The chakra has just been materialised into a solid. The Preta path would be able to absorb all of it.
    How long it would take and whether he would have enough time to do it is another question though.
    Mokuton are usually actually living trees whose growth is accelerated infinately after formation. See: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/120/6 and u will see that the trees are actually growing. Another fact is that things made of chakra need a supply of chakra to maintain itself, and Konoha's trees made by mokuton is yet to disappear or die.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEye View Post
    Also people questioning about the time it would take to absorb anything by Nagato's Preta Path then observe this page again.

    Notice how fast Nagato absorbs Bee's chakra cloak form making him go back to his normal state in almost an instant.



    Yes but while nagato is busy sucking chakra from the trees, a wood clone rigged with exploasive tags can hit him with a sword and self detonate.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    The whole Mokuton is chakra. The chakra has just been materialised into a solid. The Preta path would be able to absorb all of it. It would just be like absorbing Susanoo.
    How long it would take and whether he would have enough time to do it is another question though.
    You're wrong in every possible way.

    The trees of Mokuton aren't made up of Chakra, but in fact real, living trees. Despite Mokuton being an element, it is not Chakra converted into trees. It is Chakra converted into a source of life that grows real trees, or rather increases their rate of growth. That is what you, and seemingly the majority of NarutoBase don't get. So, to put it in a nutshell, the trees created by Mokuton are not Chakra. It's questionable if there's actually any Chakra inside those trees, since Hashirama is controlling them from the earth.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEye View Post
    Also people questioning about the time it would take to absorb anything by Nagato's Preta Path then observe this page again.

    Notice how fast Nagato absorbs Bee's chakra cloak form making him go back to his normal state in almost an instant.

    But yet we was hit by Killerbee before started to absorb, right? Also you cannot compare a human sized chakra cloak with a forest where a single tendril has a diameter size of at least one Susanoo.

    Physical techniques are working on Nagato, obviously. And the Mokuton consists out of real trees, Hashirama creates them by fitting just the ground and accelerate their growth by fitting their source of life; their root. The impact that the Mokuton causes will crush Nagato in an instant, he won't even be able to absorb anything in time.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Mokuton are usually actually living trees whose growth is accelerated infinately after formation. See: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/120/6 and u will see that the trees are actually growing. Another fact is that thinks made of chakra need a supply of chakra to maintain itself, and Konoha's trees made by mokuton is yet to disappear or die.
    Only Hashirama's trees become alive because he is able to add Yang (which is the half his clan inherited from the Sage) into it for vitality.
    Yamato/Zetsu/Danzo are not able to do that. They are just dead wood.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    You're wrong in every possible way.

    The trees of Mokuton aren't made up of Chakra, but in fact real, living trees. Despite Mokuton being an element, it is not Chakra converted into trees. It is Chakra converted into a source of life that grows real trees, or rather increases their rate of growth. That is what you, and seemingly the majority of NarutoBase don't get. So, to put it in a nutshell, the trees created by Mokuton are not Chakra. It's questionable if there's actually any Chakra inside those trees, since Hashirama is controlling them from the earth.
    And this is rather confirmed in the databook, right?
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    You're wrong in every possible way.

    The trees of Mokuton aren't made up of Chakra, but in fact real, living trees. Despite Mokuton being an element, it is not Chakra converted into trees. It is Chakra converted into a source of life that grows real trees, or rather increases their rate of growth. That is what you, and seemingly the majority of NarutoBase don't get. So, to put it in a nutshell, the trees created by Mokuton are not Chakra. It's questionable if there's actually any Chakra inside those trees, since Hashirama is controlling them from the earth.
    No, this is what you don't understand. Only Hashirama's trees are living because he is able to add Yang Release to it, which gives it Vitality. Danzo/Yamato/Zetsu don't have this. This is why Yamato's trees and the Zetsu clones reacted to Naruto's Yang cloak.
    Yang Release is still a form of chakra, which can be absorbed. The only difference now is that they have life given properties. It is made by altering the balance between Spiritual energy and Physical energy. Healing another person uses Yang release, yet it doesn't affect their chakra. Hashirama's trees are still chakra. The 9 tailed beasts are still chakra.
     
         
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