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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Nagato uprooting TREE'S from an entire area of a forest, i wonder how Hashi is gonna hit him with it?.

     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Strict View Post
    And this is rather confirmed in the databook, right?
    Unnecessary question, Strict. Of course it is.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    Unnecessary question, Strict. Of course it is.
    You see iSpeak, you should end this countless posts about the same thing over and over again, Flori and I explained very well how the Mokuton is actually working, rather Flori explained it by using the original version of the databook he has at home.

    You Nagato-Fans will always cling to the last straw; since the Mokuton is not just materialized Chakra, what was rather stated by the third databook, you should come with better facts .

    But I guess your next argument will consist out of 'Preta absorbs anything' and 'Mokuton is made up of Chakra' as always. Just don't waste your time.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    Only Hashirama's trees become alive because he is able to add Yang (which is the half his clan inherited from the Sage) into it for vitality.
    Yamato/Zetsu/Danzo are not able to do that. They are just dead wood.
    Funnily enough, every one has potential for yin and yang . . . . in fact every genjutsu is yin release ...... Its just that Hashi's yang release is stronger and thus his Mokuton stronger. Plus u forget Yamato, Zetsu and Danzo have part of Hashiirama in him which allows them mokuton in the first place. Also as the mokuton appears and grows, the chakra (yang) has already been converted to life force, so naraka path will have to attack the user physically at the body where the conversion is taking place.

    Quote Originally Posted by raju22 View Post
    Nagato uprooting TREE'S from an entire area of a forest, i wonder how Hashi is gonna hit him with it?.

    Those are regular trees not chakra infused gaint trees. Also ST cant do much harm underground.

    Also note this is not a VS thread.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Strict View Post
    But yet we was hit by Killerbee before started to absorb, right? Also you cannot compare a human sized chakra cloak with a forest where a single tendril has a diameter size of at least one Susanoo.

    Physical techniques are working on Nagato, obviously. And the Mokuton consists out of real trees, Hashirama creates them by fitting just the ground and accelerate their growth by fitting their source of life; their root. The impact that the Mokuton causes will crush Nagato in an instant, he won't even be able to absorb anything in time.
    It does not matter whether its human sized, where do you think that chakra cloak came from? Last time I remember Tailed Beasts were creatures with enormous chakra. And that was just an example I used to show the speed of Nagato's absorption.

    Why do you keep bringing up physical attacks? There are numerous ways Nagato can handle physical attacks. And how do you think Hashirama has control over the trees? By his chakra of course, since it feeds the life force of the trees in order for it to grow instantly. But if that chakra is taken away then it will cease to grow rapdily or have control.

    Why do you keep changing the subject? We are not here to discuss whether Mokuton will crush Nagato or not because he has plenty of ways to prevent that. Also it does not matter because when required Preta Path has the ability to make a barrier as a defense whilst absorbing at the same time.




     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEye View Post
    It does not matter whether its human sized, where do you think that chakra cloak came from? Last time I remember Tailed Beasts were creatures with enormous chakra. And that was just an example I used to show the speed of Nagato's absorption.

    Why do you keep bringing up physical attacks? There are numerous ways Nagato can handle physical attacks. And how do you think Hashirama has control over the trees? By his chakra of course, since it feeds the life force of the trees in order for it to grow instantly. But if that chakra is taken away then it will cease to grow rapdily or have control.

    Why do you keep changing the subject? We are not here to discuss whether Mokuton will crush Nagato or not because he has plenty of ways to prevent that. Also it does not matter because when required Preta Path has the ability to make a barrier as a defense whilst absorbing at the same time.






    The barrier bans away chakra in its original shape, only. Should reread how Preta Path is actually working.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEye View Post
    And how do you think Hashirama has control over the trees? By his chakra of course, since it feeds the life force of the trees in order for it to grow instantly. But if that chakra is taken away then it will cease to grow rapdily or have control.
    So you're implying that Nagato could stop one of those tendrils from growing at a time? Seems very helpfull, especially since there are hundreds of them growing in an instant.

     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEye View Post
    It does not matter whether its human sized, where do you think that chakra cloak came from? Last time I remember Tailed Beasts were creatures with enormous chakra. And that was just an example I used to show the speed of Nagato's absorption.

    Why do you keep bringing up physical attacks? There are numerous ways Nagato can handle physical attacks. And how do you think Hashirama has control over the trees? By his chakra of course, since it feeds the life force of the trees in order for it to grow instantly. But if that chakra is taken away then it will cease to grow rapdily or have control.

    Why do you keep changing the subject? We are not here to discuss whether Mokuton will crush Nagato or not because he has plenty of ways to prevent that. Also it does not matter because when required Preta Path has the ability to make a barrier as a defense whilst absorbing at the same time.




    Preata's barrier is absorption barrier not a defence one.

    Also take chakra away from Hashirama, preta will have attack Hashirama physically as the conversion of chakra to life force takes place within or near his body.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    So you're implying that Nagato could stop one of those tendrils from growing at a time? Seems very helpfull, especially since there are hundreds of them growing in an instant.

    He doesnt need to stop every tendrils, only ones that would actually affect him. But of course if he wanted to stop all of them there's always Shinra Tensei for that.

    Anyway I'm not here to discuss that but rather whether Preta Path can absorb solid ninjutsu such as Mokuton and it rightfully can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Preata's barrier is absorption barrier not a defence one.

    Also take chakra away from Hashirama, preta will have attack Hashirama physically as the conversion of chakra to life force takes place within or near his body.
    It does not change the fact that its also acting as a defense from an upcoming ninjutsu attack. :shrug: This is not a vs thread where we should be discussing the requirements for Preta Path to physically touch Hashirama.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Funnily enough, every one has potential for yin and yang . . . . in fact every genjutsu is yin release ...... Its just that Hashi's yang release is stronger and thus his Mokuton stronger. Plus u forget Yamato, Zetsu and Danzo have part of Hashiirama in him which allows them mokuton in the first place. Also as the mokuton appears and grows, the chakra (yang) has already been converted to life force, so naraka path will have to attack the user physically at the body where the conversion is taking place..
    Everybody has Yin and Yang but not everybody is able to use Yin Release and Yang Release.
    I didn't forget they had Hashirama's cells in him... that was my whole point. They are all able to use Mokuton but they are not able to use Yang Release with it (which is why Zetsu and Yamato's wood reacted to Naruto's Yang cloak). The Yang Release only gives the chakra life properties... it is still chakra. Which can be absorbed.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEye View Post
    He doesnt need to stop every tendrils, only ones that would actually affect him. But of course if he wanted to stop all of them there's always Shinra Tensei for that.

    Anyway I'm not here to discuss that but rather whether Preta Path can absorb solid ninjutsu such as Mokuton and it rightfully can.
    So you actually contradict the databook which clearly says that Mokuton is created by another way and does not consists out of Chakra but of real trees which doesn't need Chakra in them to be controlled?

    No worth to further discuss with you and iSpeak, bye :b.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    Everybody has Yin and Yang but not everybody is able to use Yin Release and Yang Release.
    I didn't forget they had Hashirama's cells in him... that was my whole point. They are all able to use Mokuton but they are not able to use Yang Release with it (which is why Zetsu and Yamato's wood reacted to Naruto's Yang cloak). The Yang Release only gives the chakra life properties... it is still chakra. Which can be absorbed.
    Danzo's trees had leaves and was of a healthy colour, Madara's trees actually had flowers which suggests that those trees were alive. Seriously then explain how non-uchihas can use Sharingan or even awaken MS? Its bcos the owers of the eyes had those powers and potentials. So why the Hashi cell wld be an exception?
    Plus did u know every genjutsu is actually Yin release?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEye View Post
    He doesnt need to stop every tendrils, only ones that would actually affect him. But of course if he wanted to stop all of them there's always Shinra Tensei for that.

    Anyway I'm not here to discuss that but rather whether Preta Path can absorb solid ninjutsu such as Mokuton and it rightfully can.



    It does not change the fact that its also acting as a defense from an upcoming ninjutsu attack. :shrug: This is not a vs thread where we should be discussing the requirements for Preta Path to physically touch Hashirama.
    Ok then can preta path absorb life force and living things? mokuton is made of that.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Strict View Post
    You see iSpeak, you should end this countless posts about the same thing over and over again, Flori and I explained very well how the Mokuton is actually working, rather Flori explained it by using the original version of the databook he has at home.

    You Nagato-Fans will always cling to the last straw; since the Mokuton is not just materialized Chakra, what was rather stated by the third databook, you should come with better facts .

    But I guess your next argument will consist out of 'Preta absorbs anything' and 'Mokuton is made up of Chakra' as always. Just don't waste your time.
    First of all, stop hoping on peoples band wagon. First you say it cant be absorbed, then you agree with me and say it can, then you say it cant again.
    You don't have a clue how Mokuton works... I guarantee I know more about it than you two do which is why I still havn't got a reply after countering anything you said. Also, that wasn't in the databooks. The databooks say Preta path can absorb any form of ninjutsu... so accept it.

    I am no where near a Nagato fanboy. You calling me that only proves you are a Nagato hater. I have explained what the difference between Hashirama's and the others Mokuton is. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

    Are you stupid or something? Mokuton is chakra! All elemtal ninjutsu is chakra!. Do research before acting like you know what you are talking about. I have researched eveything so I knew I was right the minute I posted in this thread.
    Like I said, the Rinnegan was always meant to be haxed because it is the SO6P own Dojutsu... just accept it. If you don't agree, then call up Kishi and tell him his own Manga is wrong.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Strict View Post
    So you actually contradict the databook which clearly says that Mokuton is created by another way and does not consists out of Chakra but of real trees which doesn't need Chakra in them to be controlled?

    No worth to further discuss with you and iSpeak, bye :b.
    Bold: LOL. You are right, with that statement of yours its not worth to further discuss this with you. :sy:

    So basically what you're saying is that Hashirama just freely manipulates the trees without the use of chakra? :sy:

    You are the one who is contradicting the databook because Preta Path will absorb any form of chakra based ninjutsu. :b
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    I said that Nagato can absorb Chakra from objects, too but that it wouldn't work in an actual fight. And no I am not stupid, Mokuton is not Chakra. Flori and I already explained it, but I just don't have any desire to debate with you anymore .
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Those are regular trees not chakra infused gaint trees. Also ST cant do much harm underground.

    Also note this is not a VS thread.


    Boy, this thread was over the moment i posted my first post, yet you are still debating on it, you say that Nagato can not absorb chakra from the tree,
    yet you counter yourself by saying that Hashirama manipulate's tree's by infusing tremendous amount of chakra in it.

    Keep that in mind, if it is a normal tree growing in the jungle naturally, then it is different, but when a person continuously pouring his chakra to manipulate them to attack, then it becomes Ninjutsu and then those trees are not normal, thus Nagato will absorb chakra from them, He can Absorb any form of ninjutsu, it is canon, stated in manga, yet i can not find anywhere that he will not absorb chakra from materials formed via Ninjutsu,

    I know this is not a vs thread, or i would have ended this debate long ago, not by using assumption's and hype, but by giving solid fact's.
     
         
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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Danzo's trees had leaves and was of a healthy colour, Madara's trees actually had flowers which suggests that those trees were alive. Seriously then explain how non-uchihas can use Sharingan or even awaken MS? Its bcos the owers of the eyes had that powers. So why the Hashi cell wld be an exception?
    Plus did u know every genjutsu is actually Yin release?
    Orochimaru tested 20 people and only Yamato was able to control Hashirama's Mokuton. Just because you ahve his dna, doesn't mean you can use it to the same extent. I have already explained to you why they don't have Yang Release in their Mokuton unlike Hashirama.
    The Dojutsu itself has Yin Release... what does that have to do with anything? Mokuton doesn't naturally have Yang Release... that is just unique to Hashirama.
    I know everything there is to know about Yin and Yang release. Don't compare me to the other 95% of NarutoBase who don't know what they are talking about. I actually do my research before speaking so I know everything I say is legit. Anyone who knows me would probably agree. So you can trust me when I say I already know I am right... I have gone over this debate many times already. Anything you bring up I can counter.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEye View Post
    Bold: LOL. You are right, with that statement of yours its not worth to further discuss this with you. :sy:

    So basically what you're saying is that Hashirama just freely manipulates the trees without the use of chakra? :sy:

    You are the one who is contradicting the databook because Preta Path will absorb any form of chakra based ninjutsu. :b
    No he means to say that Hashirama uses chakra as a source to create life force to create mokuton. the trees are actual living things and now i ask can preta path absorb a living thing?
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Strict View Post
    I said that Nagato can absorb Chakra from objects, too but that it wouldn't work in an actual fight. And no I am not stupid, Mokuton is not Chakra. Flori and I already explained it, but I just don't have any desire to debate with you anymore .
    Ok, show me in the databooks where it says Mokuton isn't chakra. Ill wait.
    Don't act like you know what you are talking about because it has never been stated that Mokuton isn't chakra. What that Flori guy said is false and I have already explained why.
     
         

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    Re: preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    No he means to say that Hashirama uses chakra as a source to create life force to create mokuton. the trees are actual living things and now i ask can preta path absorb a living thing?
    It is a living thing and Hashirama controls the trees by sending Chakra into the ground and controlling them from their roots, the trees by themselves actually don't have Chakra.
     
         

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