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    Re: Show me Nagato's counter for this

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSages456 View Post
    this isnt even debatable. not only was 6 tailed naruto able to fight shinra tenseis force but it actually reversed the force of the shinra tensei. perfect susanos sword slash completely negates shinra tensei.
    And Nagato's near-zero-chakra Shinra Tensei sent KM Naruto flying. Even near-zero chakra Nagato > Pain
     
         
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    Re: Show me Nagato's counter for this

    Summon Gedo Mazo as a shield.
     
         

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    Re: Show me Nagato's counter for this

    Either he could attempt to use CST or the ST he used on the trio. Further he could use a Shinra Tensei barrier (as he did on Hanzo's men and Kakashi) to counter the slash. Though he could summon Gedo Mazo which could use its, what I dub, "Katon: Shinra Tensei" to counter the slash.
     
         

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    Re: Show me Nagato's counter for this

    Quote Originally Posted by TobisPawn View Post
    And Nagato's near-zero-chakra Shinra Tensei sent KM Naruto flying. Even near-zero chakra Nagato > Pain
    where exactly is naruto flying its never shown he may have as well dodged it. and km naruto doesnt have the same raw strength as six tails. when he is actually in Bijuu mode he can even deflect 5 tbbs with ease which km mode can't come close to doing. km naruto is not the same as him being in a partial bijuu mode or a full one.

    bee wasnt even pushed back to a great extent and could easily counterattack when nagato came near but obviously didnt kno nagato's powers. stop overrating the powers they are definitely some strong moves but no where close in comparison to madara's recent feat. naruto with a bunch of clones can take on nagato and beat him due to the sheer numbers and with the combination of sm and km clones and summons dont overrate the guy.
     
         
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    Re: Show me Nagato's counter for this

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurogane View Post
    I myself still believe that Nagato could absorb the chakra sword swungs. Fujutsu: Kyuin if you think about it also stopping the momentum of the attacks. This can be seen when he absorb V2 chakra. We didn't saw him injured (or crumbling at that moment). This happens because one the jutsu is actives it would start draining chakra, he can just absorb the sword surface that is about to hit him, doing this would make it easier as the sword technically would be "cut" in a half and disperse. Also common thought told me that while the sword is absorb it will make the sword somewhat "malleable" because of the disturbance that happen on the circulate chakra. If this happens than the second sword swung would also be meaningless cause Fujutsu: Kyuin is still actives. And Nagato was also sensor. That would help him react better
    I'm basically d'accord with everything you said. Fujutsu: Kyuin is stopping the momentum indeed - but only to some extent. As I explained here, the absorbation-barrier can be broken if the impact is strong enough.

    Now, Nagato was able to stop the impact of Bee's lariat - but that cannot be compared to the sword. Its size is imane, meaning that just its weight will pressurize Nagato. A single, one-handed swung of it crushed a meteorite and cut two distant mountains without actually touching them - that's one hell of an impact. It's very unlikely that Fujutsu: Kyuin's human-sized absorbation-barrier will just stop the momentum of such an attack. Even if the impact would be damped, the shockwave - which cannot be absorbed - would rain down on Nagato. And since the sword is, unlike Rasen Shuriken, not thrown, Susanoo can constantly exert pressure on it. Taking all that into consideration, the sword would most likely crush Nagato right through Fujutsu: Kyuin if he was to try absorbing it. There's also the second sword, that could attack Nagato while he's focused on absorbing the first one (if at all) - it's obvious that he couldn't absorb it as easily as Naruto's Rasengan.

    So, that being said, Nagato's Preta path would be a rather unwise defense. As for Shinra Tensei, if you read my previous posts you already know what's my opinion on that matter. A normal Shinra Tensei would be not enough to fend off the sword itself. Susanoo's strength is imane, and just like Kyuubi's six tailed cloak was giving constant resistance to it, Susanoo could do the same. Indeed, Nagato's techniques are stronger than those of Pain, but in return Susanoo's strength exceeds that of Kyuubi's six tailed cloak by far, too. Shinra could block the shockwave, but there's still the second sword and the interval that restricts Nagato from using Shinra Tensei continuously. Since I'm just repeating myself, I hope you bring up some new arguments.

    Nagato's best way of defending against it would be trying to dodge it and/or pushing Susanoo out if his range with a huge-scaled Shinra Tensei, and thereupon summoning Gedo Mazo or some of his animals to distract it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TobisPawn View Post
    And Nagato's near-zero-chakra Shinra Tensei sent KM Naruto flying. Even near-zero chakra Nagato > Pain
    Sorry, where was it said that Nagato's Chakra was low or even near zero? His body's weakened state is no proof of being out of Chakra, since it was like that all the time he was controlling Pain.
     
         

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    Re: Show me Nagato's counter for this

    Full scale shinra tensai
     
         

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    Re: Show me Nagato's counter for this

    Quote Originally Posted by Genduko View Post
    Full scale shinra tensai
    except for madara it takes little to no time to pull of his tech with no interval but nagato doesnt have the time to pull it off and if he does he gets screwed when madara swings the second sword
     
         

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