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    Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    Here is one more theory i found on Internet(once again).
    I couldn't find d link where i read it but it was on saiyanisland
    Many of you may now say dat I should change my user name from ssj4naruto to CopyCat, Well I don't care.

    Disclaimer:-I don't know wheather such theory has been created on this forum, If not then enjoy but if yes, please delete this thread....
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    For a very long time, since Tobi has been implied to be the true leader of Akatsuki we have come up with the theory of Madara being Obito, that he in some way has taken over Obito's body. Hints such as the place Zetsu found him, to his physical appearance, to even the name he assumes (Tobi), it points to him occupying Obito's body. This is not my point though.

    With my understanding of Madara, through reading the manga and speculating, I have started to think about the possiblity of Uchiha Madara being incomplete. Here is some proof to back up my theory.



    "The machine has ripened, his mind is made up." This in my mind, Sasuke being referred to as a machine, immediately implies that Sasuke is a tool Madara intends to utilize. Right? That is obvious but with that said it also supports my speculation, just to get my "foot in the door".



    "Our goals will be achieved"
    "and when they are, everything will be as it should"
    "The sharigan's true power"
    "my power... Uchiha Madara's power..."

    These statements alone leads me to believe that at least one of Madara's goals include returning his power back to the way they used to be. That suggests he is not to his full strength, and that he has lost it but can gain them back.



    We all know this quote, "a pathetic shell of his former self" is what Itachi states about Madara. That alone can support my theory on Madara being incomplete.

    In Chapter 398 Madara is beginning to talk about Konoha's beginnings in order to explain to Sasuke about Itachi's true story. He explained about his past and how he obtained the EMS by killing his friend and then his brother. He explained how powerful he was and all the trouble he had to endure. Going on to the next few chapters, he says he was killed, and revealed that he was also part of the Uchiha Clan slaughter.

    Altogether this is what I gather: Uchiha Madara is in a body that isn't his own. Since Madara was destroyed by Senju Hashirama at the Valley of End, this would make sense. Because of this, he does not have all his power; his current vessel right now cannot support the power of the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. He has not once sported the EMS, and I think its because he does not have it right now. The EMS is supposed to always be on right? So because of this, his goal is to get all his powers back (to become the most powerful he once was), and to destroy Konoha. In order for him to achieve the first, he has to have a vessel that supports his power, which would be Uchiha Sasuke, since he is the only other Uchiha that exists.
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ4Naruto View Post
    Here is one more theory i found on Internet(once again).
    I couldn't find d link where i read it but it was on saiyanisland
    Many of you may now say dat I should change my user name from ssj4naruto to CopyCat, Well I don't care.

    Disclaimer:-I don't know wheather such theory has been created on this forum, If not then enjoy but if yes, please delete this thread....
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    For a very long time, since Tobi has been implied to be the true leader of Akatsuki we have come up with the theory of Madara being Obito, that he in some way has taken over Obito's body. Hints such as the place Zetsu found him, to his physical appearance, to even the name he assumes (Tobi), it points to him occupying Obito's body. This is not my point though.

    With my understanding of Madara, through reading the manga and speculating, I have started to think about the possiblity of Uchiha Madara being incomplete. Here is some proof to back up my theory.



    "The machine has ripened, his mind is made up." This in my mind, Sasuke being referred to as a machine, immediately implies that Sasuke is a tool Madara intends to utilize. Right? That is obvious but with that said it also supports my speculation, just to get my "foot in the door".



    "Our goals will be achieved"
    "and when they are, everything will be as it should"
    "The sharigan's true power"
    "my power... Uchiha Madara's power..."

    These statements alone leads me to believe that at least one of Madara's goals include returning his power back to the way they used to be. That suggests he is not to his full strength, and that he has lost it but can gain them back.



    We all know this quote, "a pathetic shell of his former self" is what Itachi states about Madara. That alone can support my theory on Madara being incomplete.

    In Chapter 398 Madara is beginning to talk about Konoha's beginnings in order to explain to Sasuke about Itachi's true story. He explained about his past and how he obtained the EMS by killing his friend and then his brother. He explained how powerful he was and all the trouble he had to endure. Going on to the next few chapters, he says he was killed, and revealed that he was also part of the Uchiha Clan slaughter.

    Altogether this is what I gather: Uchiha Madara is in a body that isn't his own. Since Madara was destroyed by Senju Hashirama at the Valley of End, this would make sense. Because of this, he does not have all his power; his current vessel right now cannot support the power of the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. He has not once sported the EMS, and I think its because he does not have it right now. The EMS is supposed to always be on right? So because of this, his goal is to get all his powers back (to become the most powerful he once was), and to destroy Konoha. In order for him to achieve the first, he has to have a vessel that supports his power, which would be Uchiha Sasuke, since he is the only other Uchiha that exists.
    thats pretty awesome
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    thats what i thought for a long time that sasuke is nothing more then a vessel to madara same as orochimaru i think the only reason why madara has not tried to get sasuke's body yet is because he has not fused itachi's eyes with his own but when he does that's when madara will strike
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    i think along hte same lines as you... Madara's Sharingan does not allow him to "die" but that doesnt mean he gets to keep the body when the body can no longer function...

    Basically he is a spirit.... this however leads to interesting implications...
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhomm View Post
    i think along hte same lines as you... Madara's Sharingan does not allow him to "die" but that doesnt mean he gets to keep the body when the body can no longer function...

    Basically he is a spirit.... this however leads to interesting implications...
    Manga ref stating that Madara is a spirit...
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    Manga ref stating that Madara is a spirit...

    Where is that ever explicitly stated that he is a spirit?
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhomm View Post
    i think along hte same lines as you... Madara's Sharingan does not allow him to "die" but that doesnt mean he gets to keep the body when the body can no longer function...

    Basically he is a spirit.... this however leads to interesting implications...
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhomm View Post
    Where is that ever explicitly stated that he is a spirit?
    lol
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    Interesting theory, I agree with you on the Sasuke is a 'tool' for him, but I don't think Madara can achieve anything from Sasuke because:
    -He is sent after the 8 tails I think which takes pretty much of his time
    -Nagato will be just a pile of dust when Kishi ends his background story, or he will ally with Naruto, giving Madara(Tobi) a big disatvantage if he trully is 'a pathetic shell of his former self' as Itachi said, even if Kisame (thats about the only akatsuki member alive except Konan and Nagato right?) they can't basically stand a chance, even if Sasuke helps them, Kisame would be dead within a minute, and if it's true that Madara is really weak now, Naruto can definetly kill him in Sage-Mode.So coming back to the subject, Madara doesn't have enough time to do anything to Sasuke if you get what I mean. (I might've gotten off-topic somewhere..)
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by shigure478 View Post
    Interesting theory, I agree with you on the Sasuke is a 'tool' for him, but I don't think Madara can achieve anything from Sasuke because:
    -He is sent after the 8 tails I think which takes pretty much of his time
    -Nagato will be just a pile of dust when Kishi ends his background story, or he will ally with Naruto, giving Madara(Tobi) a big disatvantage if he trully is 'a pathetic shell of his former self' as Itachi said, even if Kisame (thats about the only akatsuki member alive except Konan and Nagato right?) they can't basically stand a chance, even if Sasuke helps them, Kisame would be dead within a minute, and if it's true that Madara is really weak now, Naruto can definetly kill him in Sage-Mode.So coming back to the subject, Madara doesn't have enough time to do anything to Sasuke if you get what I mean. (I might've gotten off-topic somewhere..)
    Madara has not lost a bit of his power... Give me manga page and i will stand corrected.
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    Manga ref stating that Madara is a spirit...
    he wasnt saying it was stated in the manga dude, he was stating his opinion haha, nice job reading between the lines
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    You surely are a copy cat. But as long as u r posting good theories like this one, I don't mind. A good theory, but I think most of the people were thinking same after Itahi said Madara is a pathetic shell.....
    still gud theory. thnx...
    Keep copying such gud theories.....
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePain View Post
    You surely are a copy cat. But as long as u r posting good theories like this one, I don't mind. A good theory, but I think most of the people were thinking same after Itahi said Madara is a pathetic shell.....
    still gud theory. thnx...
    Keep copying such gud theories.....
    absolutely correct. word to word.....
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRazorSharp View Post
    absolutely correct. word to word.....
    seconded.....
     
         

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    Re: Uchiha Madara... incomplete? Uchiha Sasuke... the solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ4Naruto View Post
    Altogether this is what I gather: Uchiha Madara is in a body that isn't his own. Since Madara was destroyed by Senju Hashirama at the Valley of End, this would make sense. Because of this, he does not have all his power; his current vessel right now cannot support the power of the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. He has not once sported the EMS, and I think its because he does not have it right now. The EMS is supposed to always be on right? So because of this, his goal is to get all his powers back (to become the most powerful he once was), and to destroy Konoha. In order for him to achieve the first, he has to have a vessel that supports his power, which would be Uchiha Sasuke, since he is the only other Uchiha that exists.
    About the EMS: in case Madara had transported himself to another body, he just needed to implant his EMS eyes into the new vessel. Itachi is not an Uchiha but he has the Sharingan.

    We must also take into account that Madara is always hiding his powers, have we seen him using any? All we saw was him disappearing when he met Naruto's team.

    Madara may just need a new body as bodies age and cannot be eternal - this was one said by Kakuzu, that eternity does not exist and that's why he collected hearts. Sasuke's body would be a good replacement.
     
         

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