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    [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    Hello guys, I am back to my ownself.
    I found this fantastic theory on onemanga
    Author:-ShatteredHope
    Source:-[Theory] Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

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    1]I don't know wheather such thread is created before. If No den enjoy but
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    2]I know many of you will call me copy cat, well I don't care:-

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    Here is the theory:-

    I would like to bring to light the possibility that Itachi has, apart from himself, not killed a single person, at least not an Uchiha.

    1- The Evidence

    There is no hard evidence to show Itachi killed anyone. It would have been easy for the author had he wanted to depict it.

    Firstly, Itachi was shown killing his parents but only in:
    Tsukuyomi:


    Secondly, observe Itachi here:
    That night:


    Itachi has not even broken sweat. He has a sword, but there are no bloodstains at all. No signs of exertion.

    There is mystery surrounding the parents as well:
    That night:


    The left window is open, but the one on the right is not. There are two thuds just as Sasuke is about to come in, hinting that perhaps Itachi entered through the window and dropped the bodies there just then. Notice also that they are lying one on top of the other. No screams are heard, meaning they were killed a while back, and Itachi was just waiting for Sasuke. This raises an important question:

    If Itachi did indeed kill his parents, why did Itachi not do so in front of Sasuke instead of using Tsukuyomi to show the same thing?

    There would have been no harm. Instead, it would have not only saved him the effort, but even worked in his favor. Witnessing their death in reality might have unlocked Mangekyo potential in Sasuke, creating a case similar to Kakashi. We all know this is what Itachi wanted. I think Itachi used Tsukuyomi because he did not kill his parents.

    Furthermore, Itachi was never seen wielding a sword afterwards. He has been shown to be a master with throwing tools, but never a swordsman.

    So, why did he have a sword if he did not use it?

    The only reason I believe he had a sword was because he wanted Sasuke to believe that it was with a sword that he actually killed their parents, and that the Tsukuyomi was a precise replay of what actually occured. Killing with a sword is very visual and explicit, as opposed to killing using genjutsu. We must remember that Itachi wanted Sasuke to hate him for the purpose of gaining MS and later the EMS, so that he could equal Madara.

    2- The Man for the Job

    Itachi is not suitable for a massacre as a ninja. We have seen Itachi's repertoire of techniques. He is a brilliant ninja, and without doubt in the top tier, but Itachi (and Uchiha generally) is specialized in 1 vs 1 combat. Itachi is a genjutsu expert.

    Chiyo explains this point when she says that two ninja are required to fight a single Uchiha because of their genjutsu capabilities:
    Sharingan genjutsu:


    The above is grounded in the fact that sharingan's genjutsu may only be used on one opponent at a time. If Itachi could capture multiple opponents, he would have ensnared the entire team in a genjutsu.

    The possibility that Itachi used his MS techniques for the mission is also not plausible, as Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu cannot be used for mass-murder, and Susano'o would be far too conspicuous (the elders were the only ones who knew about the massacre).

    This begs the question, if Itachi is not suitable for the massacre, then who is?

    In truth, we have already seen one instance of a true massacre. It was...
    Massacre:

    Yes, none other than the Yellow Flash. But Minato himself admitted that Madara was an incredible ninja and would require special power to be matched.

    But what is more relevant is that Minato used the Flying Thunder God technique, which earned him his moniker. Interestingly enough, Kakashi specifically states Madara's space-time technique to be superior:
    Uchiha Madara:


    This would make Madara the perfect man for the job. The massacre was carried out very quickly. The longer it took, the more of a commotion it would become, and more Uchiha would gather together, and it would become a war. If that happened, the rest of Konoha would be alerted. But what transpired that day was no war; it was a massacre.

    The bodies were scattered everywhere, and not piled up high. People were weren't given time to gather together, and there were probably many in their homes as well. Madara's jutsu would allow him to move in and out of homes, to kill swiftly and silently; exactly what this mission required.

    And notice in the second spoiler in this post, we can see kunai and shuriken scattered; this is a clue that genjutsu was probably not the main art used: it was Madara's space-time technique. Madara was not invisible, but he certainly was:
    Untouchable:


    3- The Shisui Mystery

    The issue of who killed Shisui was enveloped by controversy the moment Madara revealed that the death of someone close would be enough i.e. one does not have to kill another for MS. Kakashi was already an example of this.

    In other words, even if Shisui was killed by Madara, then Itachi's MS would still have awakened. If Madara was going to kill the entire clan anyway, it would be fine for him to kill Shisui as well.

    Another possibility is that Shisui could have committed suicide in order to awaken Itachi's MS, much like how Itachi did for Sasuke. Shisui was like a brother to Itachi, and was thus probably very peaceful in nature as well, so this is a possibility.

    But the most astonishing part is how fervently Itachi denies killing Shisui. Even the poker-faced Itachi needlessly gets enraged at first, and then falls to his knees and reiterates that he has not killed Shisui. However, Itachi did not at all keep his feelings about Uchiha secret: he threw a kunai at the clan-symbol:
    Itachi's rage:


    Strangely enough, the author gives Shisui even more significance later:
    Shisui...again:


    Apparently, amidst all the trauma and insanity, Sasuke remembers Shisui. What's more surprising is that Itachi avoids the question when he doesn't need to at all.

    Why is Shisui being given so many manga frames if his death was just a simple genjutsu-drowning at the hands of Itachi?

    If Itachi did not kill Shisui, then it does not make sense for him to have killed Uchiha either, because he would be bloodstained anyway.


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    Conclusion

    Initially, Itachi killed the entire clan. Then, it was Madara & Itachi. If the author has some ground-breaking revelations in store for us, then Madara killing Uchiha could certainly be one.

    Please read the spoiler below before asking any questions:
    Spoiler for Preemptive Answers:
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    Q1- Is Madara really strong enough to kill all of Uchiha alone?
    Yes, it is entirely possible that Madara killed all of Uchiha.
    A1- Nagato/Sage could create the moon and easily destroy Konoha
    with one jutsu,so we can't expect Madara, the supervillain, to be far
    behind. He would be enough for one clan, at least, especially considering
    he had the sharingan to counter other sharingan.
    
    A2- Killing Uchiha in their homes when they were least expecting it and 
    off-guard is entirely different from killing them on the battlefield. Moreover,
    Madara possesses the pinnacle of space-time techniques; perfect for the
    mission.
    
    Q2- Why did Madara not tell Sasuke that he killed everyone since he was
          trying to clear Itachi's name?
    A- Itachi never told Sasuke Madara killed everyone because he needed to be
    bathed in blood for Sasuke to come at him with the intent to kill. Madara didn't
    tell Sasuke because then Sasuke could have said to Madara that if Madara had
    wanted, he could have refused to commit the massacre. In other words, Madara
    would have become Sasuke's enemy.
     
         
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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    Possible, ...Madara...Madara... such a secret , since very beginning .

    Tobi is a "good" boy .


    Thanks for posting this . I dont care if its copied or whatever
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    Wooooooow, nice theory. Surprised to see such theory from you. Your were the one who was trying to prove itachi was always evil....Reps+
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    Nice theory seems resonable, thnx for finding this one
    Some questions
    I was thinking, Itachi planned his death at sasuk'e hands b'coz he was feeling guilty for what he had done. But if this theory is right i.e., If Itachi never killed his family den why was he so intent on dieing at Sasuke's hands.....
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    Quote Originally Posted by God of Ice View Post
    Possible, ...Madara...Madara... such a secret , since very beginning .

    Tobi is a "good" boy .


    Thanks for posting this . I dont care if its copied or whatever
    correct, it doesn't matter wheather you are copying until you are posting something gud......


    Quote Originally Posted by TheRazorSharp View Post
    Nice theory seems resonable, thnx for finding this one
    Some questions
    I was thinking, Itachi planned his death at sasuk'e hands b'coz he was feeling guilty for what he had done. But if this theory is right i.e., If Itachi never killed his family den why was he so intent on dieing at Sasuke's hands.....
    correct questions..............
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    NIce find dude but i dont get how can the autor have such a brain to notice this ****ing unbelieveble
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRazorSharp View Post
    Nice theory seems resonable, thnx for finding this one
    Some questions
    I was thinking, Itachi planned his death at sasuk'e hands b'coz he was feeling guilty for what he had done. But if this theory is right i.e., If Itachi never killed his family den why was he so intent on dieing at Sasuke's hands.....
    Itachi saw Sasuke as the means to bringing back honor and respect to the Uchiha clan. He wanted Sasuke to kill him so that he could return to Konoha a hero. This may have very well happened had Madara/Tobi not told Sasuke the truth as to what really happened.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    interesting find.

    the one thing I don't agree with is that the death of someone close is enough to awaken MS. If that was true, then a lot more people within the Uchiha Clan would have had MS. But Itachi stated to a young Sasuke "if you open your eyes to the truth... then there would be 3 people who can handle the MS". So, basically I think there was a problem in translation.

    Even though this might explain how Kakashi obtained his MS, it just doesn't make sense because you would have heard that there were a lot more MS users when the Uchiha Clan still existed.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    There is one picture that denies everything you quoted:


    then why he would cry? it makes no sense at all!!
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    All of his family and friends were killed, he couldn't do nothing about it. How do you felt if that happened to you?
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unreally View Post
    All of his family and friends were killed, he couldn't do nothing about it. How do you felt if that happened to you?
    Yeah , and forcing your own brother to hate you O.o
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unreally View Post
    All of his family and friends were killed, he couldn't do nothing about it. How do you felt if that happened to you?
    lol, then the fact that he didn't killed a single person doesn't changes a bit. whatever he killed someone (incuding his parents) or not it's the same , so it was easier for him to kill his parents
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    I think the bigger mystery... is why was Itachi lying about needing to kill your best friend in order to get MS???

    Madara didn't kill his best friend, that we know of... I am sure his brother didn't either... Its probably an emmotional response thing. Sasuke also didn't receive MS by killing his best friend.

    1 thing they all have in common though... is that the emmotional response... was triggered by a traumatic death happening, that could have been prevented in hindsight...

    Madara and his brother could have been stong, but powerless to stop attacking shinobi from killing their family...

    Itachi could have been under Tsukuyomi while he witnessed his best friend die... at Madara's hands... Itachi did notice Madara long before they attacked the Uchiha. And Itachi had the MS long before that point as well...

    Sasuke's painful moment was orchestrated by Itachi....
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    funny how anyone can just come up with ideas to anything.

    good theory
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    A.W.E.S.O.M.E. work.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    I will not agree with the others. I hope that, you, being the one who decided to copy and paste it you are also able to defend it.

    First of all. All the flash backs, are shown as being produced by Sasuke's mind. So it is logical that we did not see any blood or signs of exhaustation as we, initialy, did not see Itachi crying, too.

    Also it was more of a large scale wetwork operation, or large scale assassination. It is something that would be on the things ANBU would be designed around doing. He is very suitable for the mission, his talents alone wasn't just his M.S., though later on he tend to use it mostly, he did rise through the ranks fast and young before he even had the M.S., like Kakashi I doubt we saw close to all of what Itachi could do, but we saw hints, like the exploding Shadow Clones or the fact he could form handsigns so fast Kakashi couldn't even see them. He might not have been able to do it the way it was done if he was alone, but who is to say he would have even tried it that way if he didn't have Madara help.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    enjoyable to read
     
         

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    Re: [Theory]Itachi: Drenched in Blood or Tears?

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    I will not agree with the others. I hope that, you, being the one who decided to copy and paste it you are also able to defend it.

    First of all. All the flash backs, are shown as being produced by Sasuke's mind. So it is logical that we did not see any blood or signs of exhaustation as we, initialy, did not see Itachi crying, too.

    Also it was more of a large scale wetwork operation, or large scale assassination. It is something that would be on the things ANBU would be designed around doing. He is very suitable for the mission, his talents alone wasn't just his M.S., though later on he tend to use it mostly, he did rise through the ranks fast and young before he even had the M.S., like Kakashi I doubt we saw close to all of what Itachi could do, but we saw hints, like the exploding Shadow Clones or the fact he could form handsigns so fast Kakashi couldn't even see them. He might not have been able to do it the way it was done if he was alone, but who is to say he would have even tried it that way if he didn't have Madara help.
    correct....
     
         

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