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    Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Are Vanderreich @ Aizens level?

    Or Below it?

    The King of Vanderreich , seems to be extremely strong , since he defeated one of the Sternritters in one slash.


    Or is the King of vanderreich at Final Ichigos level?

    Any opinions?
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    I think but I'm not sure The King of Vanderreich is even stronger than or at the same level as Mugetsu Ichigo, but the other Vanderreich are not stronger than Aizen, he withstood a Final Getsuga Tenshou, Aizen is still OP, and I'm waiting to see if he has a role in this war, or Kubo will forget about him >_>
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by -Vasto Lorde- View Post
    I think but I'm not sure The King of Vanderreich is even stronger than or at the same level as Mugetsu Ichigo, but the other Vanderreich are not stronger than Aizen, he withstood a Final Getsuga Tenshou, Aizen is still OP, and I'm waiting to see if he has a role in this war, or Kubo will forget about him >_>
    maybe they will release him...his shikai would help the shinigami a lot in the fight.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by snake orochimaru View Post
    maybe they will release him...his shikai would help the shinigami a lot in the fight.

    yeah , There is no way Vanderreich could counter it I think.


    But Genryusai fought with the king of Vanderreich 1000 years ago , but failed.

    The king of Vanderreich must be at genryusai level or above now.

    Since , we could say without a doubt , that Genryusai is the strongest in Soul Society.

    But I also seem to think , that maybe Ichigos father used hes Final getsuga tensho to defeat the vanderreich in past @ unknown time.

    Since Ichigos father was a captain @ some point in time.

    most likely @ the same time when Ukitake and Kyoraku became captains or something.

    Maybe like 300 + or some years ago Ichigos father fought them , and made them retreat and to recover.

    Maybe that's why Ichigos power was restricted extremely within and out of soul society.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aze View Post
    yeah , There is no way Vanderreich could counter it I think.


    But Genryusai fought with the king of Vanderreich 1000 years ago , but failed.

    The king of Vanderreich must be at genryusai level or above now.

    Since , we could say without a doubt , that Genryusai is the strongest in Soul Society.

    But I also seem to think , that maybe Ichigos father used hes Final getsuga tensho to defeat the vanderreich in past @ unknown time.

    Since Ichigos father was a captain @ some point in time.

    most likely @ the same time when Ukitake and Kyoraku became captains or something.

    Maybe like 300 + or some years ago Ichigos father fought them , and made them retreat and to recover.

    Maybe that's why Ichigos power was restricted extremely within and out of soul society.
    good thinking! I hope we'll find out more about Isshin in this final chapters.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    no. if they were on the same level then they wouldn't have gone about sealing the bankai of captains.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by snake orochimaru View Post
    good thinking! I hope we'll find out more about Isshin in this final chapters.
    Yeah , also Isshins captain cloak looks very tattered and old = Also the number of the squad is not seen.

    I'm thinking about squad 7 or 12 for some reason.

    Also , Isshin = lost most of hes powers , when he used Final Getsuga Tenso.

    And when he fought Aizen , he did it elegantly and gave Aizen a challenge.

    Now image = If he had all hes original powers.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    aizen is embodiment of overpowered, only buckbeard(maybe) or yamamoto can beat him
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    aizen is embodiment of overpowered, only buckbeard(maybe) or yamamoto can beat him

    Aizen cant be killed , he can only be sealed I think.

    Urahara is most likely the best one to seal Aizen = And he allready did.

    But yes vanderreich leader or Yamamoto could most likely weaken Aizen into the state , where he can be sealed.

    Since both of them have powers comparable to the Mugetsu most likely.

    Like yamamotos bankai for an example or buckbeards OP Quincy form or something.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aze View Post
    Are Vanderreich @ Aizens level?

    Or Below it?

    The King of Vanderreich , seems to be extremely strong , since he defeated one of the Sternritters in one slash.


    Or is the King of vanderreich at Final Ichigos level?

    Any opinions?
    the king is probably closer to yamamoto than aizen was in base

    aizen would fodder-ize the rest of them without question

    but let me ask, where do you put transcendent hollow aizen at? or dangai ichigo for that matter who was superior to him, in comparison to yamamoto, because i think its debatable who would win between dangai ichigo and yama in shikai, he goes bankai and the whole world turns to ash, of course

    edit - keep in mind dangai ichigo had a powerlevel that aizen couldnt sense because it was out of his "range" lets say, and aizen in his cocoon form was out of urahara/isshin/yoruichi/s range, then he went ascended out of cocoon form, went butterfly form, then final hollow form, and in that final hollow form he still couldnt feel ichigos reiatsu, then mugetsu ichigo takes it even further than that, how far beneath mugetsu ichigo do you think that final form aizen was in power level? and where would yamamoto fall in line with these 2 if he went all out ?
     
         
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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by ANBU Kakashi23 View Post
    the king is probably closer to yamamoto than aizen was in base

    aizen would fodder-ize the rest of them without question

    but let me ask, where do you put transcendent hollow aizen at? or dangai ichigo for that matter who was superior to him, in comparison to yamamoto, because i think its debatable who would win between dangai ichigo and yama in shikai, he goes bankai and the whole world turns to ash, of course

    edit - keep in mind dangai ichigo had a powerlevel that aizen couldnt sense because it was out of his "range" lets say, and aizen in his cocoon form was out of urahara/isshin/yoruichi/s range, then he went ascended out of cocoon form, went butterfly form, then final hollow form, and in that final hollow form he still couldnt feel ichigos reiatsu, then mugetsu ichigo takes it even further than that, how far beneath mugetsu ichigo do you think that final form aizen was in power level? and where would yamamoto fall in line with these 2 if he went all out ?

    I think , that Yama Ji would never reach into this level as dangai Ichigo.

    But Yama Ji Bankai > Aizens Final Form = without a doubt.

    Ichigos Dangai level is extremely rare = sicne he was able to become hes Zanpakuto. = Completely Perfect mastery over ones Zanpakuto.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    There is a reason the Vandenreich only attacked after Aizen was imprisoned.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    I agree with the above guy Vandenreich in my opinion are far weaker then Aizen as for Yama I would place him stronger then all of Aizen forms along with Ichigo final form but also you guys have to remember Aizen was going to transform again BEFORE he was sealed away we never got to see that stage so we dont know how strong he was going to be after that. I don't think the Vandenreich leader can even stand a chance to Aizen in Shikai form IF he still had his zanpukuto that is
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon1 View Post
    There is a reason the Vandenreich only attacked after Aizen was imprisoned.

    That's a valid point.

    Vanderreich do not have most likely neccesary skills to seal Hogyokos power , that resides in Aizen.

    I think , that we might see Aizen again.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aze View Post
    Are Vanderreich @ Aizens level?

    Or Below it?

    The King of Vanderreich , seems to be extremely strong , since he defeated one of the Sternritters in one slash.


    Or is the King of vanderreich at Final Ichigos level?

    Any opinions?
    Buckbeard didn't one-shot a Sternritters member. It was just a foot soldier.

    The Sternritters are the Captain equivalents of the Quincy side. They're their main fighting force. Not to say Buckbeard can't though.

    Buckbeard is as strong as Yamamoto. He might as well be seen as the second strongest character in the entire manga at this point. And yes, both of them are much more powerful than Aizen. Aizen flat out admitted that he would not be able to handle Yamamoto on his own. Buckbeard has apparently faced Yamamoto over 1000 years ago and survived. The logic should be clear.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon1 View Post
    There is a reason the Vandenreich only attacked after Aizen was imprisoned.
    Yup yup! Aizen, Ichigo and SS will tax some quincy ass before it's all over.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?


    aizen doesn't have shikai anymore, the bakadou that urahara used on him made the hogyokyu reject him.
    When aizen had the hogyokyu he was unstoppable mostly because he kept evolving into stronger forms.
    You can't kill him as when they sentenced him they said he was immortal.
    You can only seal him as urahara did. The vandenreich are at aizens level when he defected but during go final battle.
    Aizen.



    Ichigo







    Sternritters
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Sorry don't know, stopped watching bleach after aizen was defeated.

    But can someone tell me Whats with Ichigo's dad, how did he became a SR? He knew GT and told Ichigo about F-GT and fought Aizen too,I mean he was strong, so how come he couldn't save his wife from a hollow?
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Too be honest I don't know they are obviously stronger than most of the Espada's that is certain but since we don't know much about the Vandenreich's abilities other than what Kirge has....had shown us. That old man gunslinger took out one of Shunsui's eyes without as much of a problem.

    In the Winter War against the Espada's most of the Captain's began their fights without their Shikai active, but this time every single Captain and Lieutenant went into these fights with their Shikai's active. Yama-Jii's Lieutenant went Bankai against the Vandenreich on their initial invasion and ended up having it stolen and seemingly used against him.

    Kira - Was able to fight against one of Luisenbarn's men and managed to defeat him, but this time he was OHK by one of the head Sternritter (possibly the leader of that group).

    The main thing that interests me is who are the 5 the Vandenreich are worried about and can't steal their bankai's (other than Kurosaki)

    But as for the question I saw most of them are possibly close to the power of Aizen (up to his crystallized form) Reason being is Kirge is obviously not as strong as the Sternritter group, A few of the Sternritters are easily overwhelming the captains (even if they stole the bankai's) and when you look at the fight with Kisuke + Yoroichi + Isshin vs Aizen, they couldn't stand up to Crystal Aizen (Although none of them went Shikai against him) While it took both Kurosaki and Urahara to take down Kirge even for a little while. It took mystery man to take Kirge out. So therefore the Vandenreich are close to Aizen level in power, well up to at least crystal aizen
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Too be honest I don't know they are obviously stronger than most of the Espada's that is certain but since we don't know much about the Vandenreich's abilities other than what Kirge has....had shown us. That old man gunslinger took out one of Shunsui's eyes without as much of a problem.

    In the Winter War against the Espada's most of the Captain's began their fights without their Shikai active, but this time every single Captain and Lieutenant went into these fights with their Shikai's active. Yama-Jii's Lieutenant went Bankai against the Vandenreich on their initial invasion and ended up having it stolen and seemingly used against him.

    Kira - Was able to fight against one of Luisenbarn's men and managed to defeat him, but this time he was OHK by one of the head Sternritter (possibly the leader of that group).

    The main thing that interests me is who are the 5 the Vandenreich are worried about and can't steal their bankai's (other than Kurosaki)

    But as for the question I saw most of them are possibly close to the power of Aizen (up to his crystallized form) Reason being is Kirge is obviously not as strong as the Sternritter group, A few of the Sternritters are easily overwhelming the captains (even if they stole the bankai's) and when you look at the fight with Kisuke + Yoroichi + Isshin vs Aizen, they couldn't stand up to Crystal Aizen (Although none of them went Shikai against him) While it took both Kurosaki and Urahara to take down Kirge even for a little while. It took mystery man to take Kirge out. So therefore the Vandenreich are close to Aizen level in power, well up to at least crystal aizen
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanji View Post
    Too be honest I don't know they are obviously stronger than most of the Espada's that is certain but since we don't know much about the Vandenreich's abilities other than what Kirge has....had shown us. That old man gunslinger took out one of Shunsui's eyes without as much of a problem.

    In the Winter War against the Espada's most of the Captain's began their fights without their Shikai active, but this time every single Captain and Lieutenant went into these fights with their Shikai's active. Yama-Jii's Lieutenant went Bankai against the Vandenreich on their initial invasion and ended up having it stolen and seemingly used against him.

    Kira - Was able to fight against one of Luisenbarn's men and managed to defeat him, but this time he was OHK by one of the head Sternritter (possibly the leader of that group).

    The main thing that interests me is who are the 5 the Vandenreich are worried about and can't steal their bankai's (other than Kurosaki)

    But as for the question I saw most of them are possibly close to the power of Aizen (up to his crystallized form) Reason being is Kirge is obviously not as strong as the Sternritter group, A few of the Sternritters are easily overwhelming the captains (even if they stole the bankai's) and when you look at the fight with Kisuke + Yoroichi + Isshin vs Aizen, they couldn't stand up to Crystal Aizen (Although none of them went Shikai against him) While it took both Kurosaki and Urahara to take down Kirge even for a little while. It took mystery man to take Kirge out. So therefore the Vandenreich are close to Aizen level in power, well up to at least crystal aizen


    That's a good observation.



    Well , Ichigo outmatched Kirge in hes released form , without taking no effort at all , Ichigo as a Hollow against sternritters , Medium difficulty?
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aze View Post
    That's a good observation.



    Well , Ichigo outmatched Kirge in hes released form , without taking no effort at all , Ichigo as a Hollow against sternritters , Medium difficulty?
    Now that is a loaded question are you talking about Vasto Lorde Shirosaki (the Hollow version of Ichigo while fighting Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra)

    or

    New Mask Ichigo (though we didn't see too much of that all we saw was him blast that big idiot into the ground with ease)

    If your talking about VL Shirosaki then he would be able to hold his own to a degree but would eventually be beaten. Since he cannot control his actions, and I am certain the Vandenreich somehow have intel on that form (quite possibly from Uryu (yes I think he may have leaked info out about Ichigo))
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Shinigami could actually turn to Aizen for help if they continue getting owned. If Kubo plays it right, this might become quite interesting.
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanji View Post
    Now that is a loaded question are you talking about Vasto Lorde Shirosaki (the Hollow version of Ichigo while fighting Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra)

    or

    New Mask Ichigo (though we didn't see too much of that all we saw was him blast that big idiot into the ground with ease)

    If your talking about VL Shirosaki then he would be able to hold his own to a degree but would eventually be beaten. Since he cannot control his actions, and I am certain the Vandenreich somehow have intel on that form (quite possibly from Uryu (yes I think he may have leaked info out about Ichigo))



    I mean , that hes possbile "current" Hollow Transformation (if possible , but idk).

    But If Ichigo could controll Vasto Lorde transformation , then he could fight @ medium difficulty on the strongest sternritter and easy difficulty on the others.

    And Buckbeard @ Hard difficulty most likely.


    Any thoughts about Ichigos F-GT mode? Easy , Medium , Hard difficulty when fighting Sternritters?
     
         

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    Re: Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aze View Post
    I mean , that hes possbile "current" Hollow Transformation (if possible , but idk).

    But If Ichigo could controll Vasto Lorde transformation , then he could fight @ medium difficulty on the strongest sternritter and easy difficulty on the others.

    And Buckbeard @ Hard difficulty most likely.


    Any thoughts about Ichigos F-GT mode? Easy , Medium , Hard difficulty when fighting Sternritters?
    Well I dunno for the possible current transformation it would be crazy but he may not be able to any longer. Due to his Zangetsu and Shirosaki fusing back together.

    But with controlling the Vasto Lorde state, med difficulty with the Sternritters

    vs Buckbeard Very Hard difficulty

    Final Getsuga Tenshou Easy-Medium difficulty considering he only has one attack with that mode
     
         

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