Tobi

[Chaoz]

so... I was thinking.. Rinnegan can bring back the dead, yes? I saw in a thread that maybe two tobis were present noticing the different hairstyles.. Or.. The masked man whom had madaras hairstyle broke into the shrine to read the secrets of the rinnegan since he unlocked it.maybe that was madara, its possible he could of revived izunas soul, but his body couldnt contain it anymore due to rigamortis and decaying. He wldnt b revived with his eyes cuz madara has them. Idk the chronology and im not gonna attempt, im at work, but, what if izunas soul was put in obitos body. No ms has been seen from tobi n his n kakashis jutsus are kinda coincidental. Also with his body, its possible zetsu could have some fusion to his right side that got crushed. Or its the elder son...idk.. Some interesting ideas..

[alexu9696]

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Criteria For Tobi’s Identity

1) He is from the time of Hashirama Senju, and needs to be someone the Kyuubi would instantly recognize.

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He is instantly recognized by the Kyuubi, who as far as we know has been sealed away in an Uzumaki jinchuuriki ever since the battle at the Valley of the End, where Uzumaki Mito sealed it into herself. There are no reports of the Kyuubi having broken free aside from in Yondaime’s time. This means that Tobi is someone the Kyuubi met during the time of Hashirama.

Given the way in which he speaks of past events, he has first-hand knowledge of and was emotionally investment in the Uchiha/Senju conflict.

Izuna fits: Uchiha Izuna was from this time period, and for obvious reasons, was personally and emotionally invested in fighting the Senju.

2) He has to have a credible reason for being pissed off at the Uchiha’s making peace with the Senju, and needs to be personally, emotionally invested in Uchiha Izuna’s eyes being given to Uchiha Madara.

“What kind of monster would hurt his beloved younger brother?! All I ever wanted was to protect the Uchiha clan! […] My younger brother accepted his role and willingly gave his eyes to me….[Tobi clenches his arms in anger]. What happened to the hatred we had for them?! What did my brother sacrifice his eyes for?!”

Izuna fits: He has ample reason to be pissed off at the Uchiha, even more so than Uchiha Madara; he sacrificed his eyes and possibly his life to give Madara the EMS in order to protect the Uchiha in their fight against the Senju, only to have them go and make peace? Why did he sacrifice his eyes and his life for them, then?!

3) He has a credible reason for claiming that the eyes Nagato had “were [his] to begin with.”

Izuna fits: If we accept the likelihood that Nagato’s eyes used to be Uchiha Madara’s (who is the only person we know which awakened the Rinnegan), then we also accept that Nagato’s eyes originally belonged to Uchiha Izuna’s, as we know that Uchiha Madara’s EMS eyes originally belonged to Izuna. Izuna fits this perfectly; no one else has a better credible reason to claim Nagato’s eyes “were his to begin with” than Izuna.

4) He needs to be a person whom Uchiha Madara will trust with his own life and rebirth.

Madara trusted Tobi to bring him back to life with Nagato’s powers. This is a major deal. Who would whant to ressurect an arrogant bastard like Madara unless he was your brother .... only the love of a brother would accept Madara

If we accept Madara’s statement that he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death, then this also means that he had only a very short period of time to transplant the Rinnegan into child Nagato. This means that he was 100%, utterly dependent on Tobi to carry out the ‘plan’ he mentioned to Kabuto, which included his resurrection.

Madara also gave Tobi access to the Hashirama-related power which he had nearly died for; an incredible show of trust.

Izuna fits: He is Uchiha Madara’s younger brother, and brotherly ties are a major focal point of this manga. We know that Rinnei Tensei can bring the dead back to life, and we know that Uchiha Madara gained the Rinnegan before dying. It would make sense if he used the Rinnegan to bring back Izuna.

Counter-Argument: Nagato wasn’t able to bring back Jiraiya because he had died too long ago! How could Madara bring back Izuna, who had died even longer ago!

Response: Uchiha Madara planned to use Nagato to bring himself back to life. If we accept that Madara died while Nagato was a child (which is necessary, as Nagato was given the Rinnegan as a child), and that Nagato was expected to ‘grow’ into his power, then this shows Madara thought it was fully possible for Nagato to resurrect him, despite years having passed. Which indicates that it is also fully possible for Madara to resurrect Izuna, despite years having passed.

5) He needs to have a credible grudge against Konoha, and has to have waited a long time for his vengeance against Konoha.
Spoken to Kushina: “Do you have any idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?!”

Izuna fits: His reason for a grudge against Konoha are obvious and profound; he gave his eyes to fight against the Senju who controlled the village, then eventually expelled his brother out from it. If we accept that he died or was maimed back in Hashirama’s days, then he has been waiting a long, long time indeed for his vengeance.

6) Tobi needs to be an Uchiha.

Although not Madara, Tobi still needs to have an Uchiha’s body; he uses the sharingan with expertise not seen outside a native Uchiha, and does not appear to have any problems with his body not being suited for the sharingan.

Izuna fits: Self-explanatory.

7) Tobi has to have a credible reason for being at least partly made out of Zetsu goo, even as far back as the fight with Yondaime.

Izuna somewhat fits: Tobi claims that Uchiha Izuna died in battle after losing his eyes. Knowing that Rinnei Tensi is capable of bringing the dead back, and also knowing that Zetsu goo is based off of Hashirama’s DNA, it’s credible that for Madara to bring Izuna back, he had to use Zetsu goo for whatever reason. Admittedly, more data is required here.

8) He has an old, wrinkly face, despite being partially made out of Zetsu goo.

Izuna fits: If we accept that Izuna was brought back to life with the Rinnegan while Nagato was a child, then at least 30+ years have passed, as we know that Nagato (being Jiraiya’s first disciple) should be as old or older than Minato. If Izuna was brought back in a partially ‘real’ body which aged, and if he had died in his 20’s, then he would now be in his 50’s or 60’s, explaining the wrinkly face. This is also supported by the fact that he indicates if Itachi knew some of his secrets, the Amaterasu would have killed him, indicating that at least part of him was non-Zetsu goo and thus vulnerable to being killed.

Note: The biggest clue is that " Tobi is a good boy " meaning Izuna was a good brother to Madara but turn evil to get revenge for Madara.... i belive kishi is making a switch deja vu like Itachi and Sasuke .... Madara and Izuna

[Seraphîm]

I know you worked hard on this, but people aren't allowed to make Tobi ID threads anymore. Post your theory here: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=198329

[alexu9696]

I know you worked hard on this, but people aren't allowed to make Tobi ID threads anymore. Post your theory here: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=198329

it is in there but few people now go this day in that thread

[Seraphîm]

it is in there but few people now go this day in that thread

But you can't make Tobi ID threads anymore. It's only a matter of time before this thread is closed or deleted.

[~Anubis~]

If you had already posted this in the official thread, why creating a separate thread for it, you could have discuss it there.

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

As soon as I saw

READ ALL BEFORE YOU POST YOUR COMMENT !!!

I knew all your hard work was put to waste due to the fact I didn't read it.

[Ira]

it is in there but few people now go this day in that thread

Those who want to discuss it go in there regularly. Making threads about the same topic over and over while others are active is prohibited in Global forum rules as well. Do not ignore warnings.

As soon as I saw I knew all your hard work was put to waste due to the fact I didn't read it.

Well we are trying to avoid separate Tobi thread because of sheer number of duplicate theories. that doesn't mean that you are allowed to spam such threads randomly. If you cannot be bothered to read, do not post either.

[madara7uchiha]

EPIC FAIL he never recognised by kyubi..

[alexu9696]

EPIC FAIL he never recognised by kyubi..

Read the manga

[Pendulum1337]

So if the Uchiha were really smart, and twisted, they could have started a ritual of passing down the parents eyes to their child at birth. Won't 1 set of 100 year old eyes belonging to a 8 year old child be stronger than waiting and hoping that child can awaken his/her own powers, and hoping their good eyes aswell.

Seperate argument i know. bear with me

[andrets]

A medic can perform medical ninjutsu.
Medical ninjas originate at Senju clan.
He have been transplanted a sharingan because of his medical ninjutsu ability.

Sooner or later he will show his MOKUTON Ninjutsu ability.
He bestowed his sharingan during the greatest battle of his life.
His greatest opponent is MADARA.


Now YOU already know also WHO really TOBI is!!!!

[-S-]

Hashirama. But his soul was sealed..

[' ~ Dantee ~ ']

Tobi is the search bar.

[Emerica16]

He said it himself that he was an uchiha.

[andrets]

He said it himself that he was an uchiha.

yes because he possesses a sharingan!
think about this: could neji can claim that he is an uchiha? or Ino or kurenai?

[johnny335704]

What ????????? No Way

[Itachi Senju]

There's a thread for these posts. Secondly this is highly improbable. He is not hashirama. Lemme give u a dumdum for dumb dumb post:ice:

[Sydd]

No he isn't

[Uzumaki Matthew]

Tobi knows earth and fire not earth and water like hashirama:flaw::flaw::sy:

[andrets]

Tobi knows earth and fire not earth and water like hashirama:flaw::flaw::sy:

sharingan can perform anything! it is a copy technique!!!!

[6PathsofKami]

sharingan can perform anything! it is a copy technique!!!!

Not kekkei genkais like mokuton so no even if he does copy water (does sharingan let you do that? Someone remind me plz) he wont be able to do mokuton.

[Dōdai]

I would rather believe that Tobi is a potato. =__=

[Flash07]

I would rather believe that Tobi is a potato. =__=

[Itachi Senju]

I would rather believe that Tobi is a potato. =__=

Tobi is gohan lol