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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    To begin with, why would Madara wear a mask? Not saying he didn't, but I just want to know why.

    The only real issue with this that comes to mind is that long-haired Tobi (=? Madara) revealed himself to Kisame. Then when short-haired Tobi came out, he showed his face to Kisame and Kisame seemingly recognized him as the same person; i.e., long-haired Tobi and short-haired Tobi apparently have the same face.

    I'll have to dig around for the chapter, but it's in a thread from a few days ago that's basically the same theory.
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by Codex View Post
    To begin with, why would Madara wear a mask? Not saying he didn't, but I just want to know why.

    The only real issue with this that comes to mind is that long-haired Tobi (=? Madara) revealed himself to Kisame. Then when short-haired Tobi came out, he showed his face to Kisame and Kisame seemingly recognized him as the same person; i.e., long-haired Tobi and short-haired Tobi apparently have the same face.

    I'll have to dig around for the chapter, but it's in a thread from a few days ago that's basically the same theory.
    madara did that so that he can create the impresion for Tobi so that the world would think tobi is Madara after the real madara will die...

    also kisane seen a very old face .... even if kishi will show the face of tobi you would not know who he is becuase is very old ..... and you cant compare with a another face in the manga
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by wridacule View Post
    a lot of times people cut their hair in anime and tv shows to show a symbol of change in their life or walking a new path. also you said it yourself that YEARS passed by between the kyubi attack and when itachi met tobi so...
    yeah the difference is about 10 years ... its possible i said that but its retarded for a character.... you cut your hair and then to let grow again and then cuts his hair again ....
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    this thread goes to show that if you put pages of the manga in with your theory people will + rep you regardless of what you say...:confused:
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by Go0Go0 View Post
    Yeah but theres a problem. Madara got revived by Edo Tensei. When he got revived he didnt look like 100 years old of what he have should be when if he actually met Itachi. Edo Madara is his prime-time, about 30-40 Years old.
    there is no problem the long haired mask men was last seen in Yagura time .... so if he died then ... and kabuto did bring him back in his prime yes .. Madara has now 30-40 .... i belive this is why kishi said prime .. it would look weird to see a 70-80 old Madara on the battlefield
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    I understand where you're coming from as I had a very similar theory to yours,I wondered why the 2nd Tobi knew Kisame and also about Itachi unless of course Madara told him about them before he died which I think he did.
    We need to remember that the 1st Tobi(Madara) who was wearing a mask never claimed to be someone called Tobi,and realize that 'Tobi' was just a name to get into the akatsuki as a normal member and not as 'Uchiha Madara' the leader of akatsuki whom only Kisame,Zetsu , Konan and Nagato knew that he was the leader.
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by wridacule View Post
    this thread goes to show that if you put pages of the manga in with your theory people will + rep you regardless of what you say...:confused:
    people dont belive that a character will cut his hair (because he has short hair when he attaked konoha..) then let grow again of the hair then cuts again that hair...

    For what reason would a character cut his hair twice ? and let it grow that much ?
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by Deidera View Post
    I understand where you're coming from as I had a very similar theory to yours,I wondered why the 2nd Tobi knew Kisame and also about Itachi unless of course Madara told him about them before he died which I think he did.
    We need to remember that the 1st Tobi(Madara) who was wearing a mask never claimed to be someone called Tobi,and realize that 'Tobi' was just a name to get into the akatsuki as a normal member and not as 'Uchiha Madara' the leader of akatsuki whom only Kisame,Zetsu , Konan and Nagato knew that he was the leader.
    that is also a option .... but i belive kisame has only seen a old face .... if kishi where to show us a old face you would not know who is tobi you would say he is a old men..... kisame assumed that he was Madara uchiha because he already meet the real Uchiha Madara ... and madara told tobi all the storyes all of his meetings .... all of his history
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Still haven't found the page I was looking for. Will look tomorrow.

    But, Itachi rigged Sasuke's sharingan to react to Madara's sharingan (or actually Tobi's sharingan, but he thought Tobi was Madara). This would seem to imply that, at the very least, Tobi has the same eyes as the masked man that Itachi met with prior to the massacre. I guess it's possible that Itachi rigged it to react to any sharingan, but would've happened if Sasuke was a good little boy and went back to Konoha? He'd be fighting along side Kakashi, who would bust out his sharingan, and Sasuke would unwittingly fire off an amaterasu, killing Kakashi => Sasuke is a criminal once again. Itachi's not stupid enough to make such a mistake.
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    I believe that the person Kisame saw no sooner after he had killed Fuguki was the real Madara because his hair was fairly long and he was all bandaged up which could have been part of the result of his fight with Hashirama.
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by Codex View Post
    Still haven't found the page I was looking for. Will look tomorrow.

    But, Itachi rigged Sasuke's sharingan to react to Madara's sharingan (or actually Tobi's sharingan, but he thought Tobi was Madara). This would seem to imply that, at the very least, Tobi has the same eyes as the masked man that Itachi met with prior to the massacre. I guess it's possible that Itachi rigged it to react to any sharingan, but would've happened if Sasuke was a good little boy and went back to Konoha? He'd be fighting along side Kakashi, who would bust out his sharingan, and Sasuke would unwittingly fire off an amaterasu, killing Kakashi => Sasuke is a criminal once again. Itachi's not stupid enough to make such a mistake.
    Itachi rigged Sasuke's sharingan to react to any sharingan because he knew sasuke will seek answers and it will not go to konoha ....

    If you killed your borther and your borther will smile at you when he dies and pokes your head you would be confused and you would seek questions... you would not go very happy back to the vilage
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by Deidera View Post
    I believe that the person Kisame saw no sooner after he had killed Fuguki was the real Madara because his hair was fairly long and he was all bandaged up which could have been part of the result of his fight with Hashirama.
    yes that was madara ( very long hair we can see ) i still can belive some people think Tobi cuts his hair twice :sy::sy:
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by alexu9696 View Post
    yes that was madara ( very long hair we can see ) i still can belive some people think Tobi cuts his hair twice :sy::sy:
    so give or take in the last 2 years how many times have you gotten a hair cut??? again people who can fly and summon giant animals that can talk is in the realm of possibility but someone gets a few hair cuts and you throw the bullsh*t flag?!
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by wridacule View Post
    so give or take in the last 2 years how many times have you gotten a hair cut??? again people who can fly and summon giant animals that can talk is in the realm of possibility but someone gets a few hair cuts and you throw the bullsh*t flag?!
    he let his hair grow very long ... we are not talking about a normal haircut to let a a hair grow that large and then cut it two times .....:sy:

    Look at sakura hair he cut her hair and he stil its not that long anymore...
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Why can't we use the hair growing back again as a viable reason to say he sometimes have his hair short and his hair long?

    The whole point of getting a hair cut is because your hair is too long.

    yeah the difference is about 10 years ... its possible i said that but its retarded for a character.... you cut your hair and then to let grow again and then cuts his hair again ....
    Why is it retarded? That sounds like what a normal human being does.
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by choft View Post
    Why can't we use the hair growing and back again as a viable reason he sometimes have his hair short and his hair long?

    The whole point of getting a hair cut is because your hair is too long.



    Why is it retarded? That sounds like what a normal human being does.
    you let your hair very long like madara and then you cut it ... two times ?
    and that is a normal human
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by alexu9696 View Post
    you let your hair very long like madara and then you cut it ... two times ?
    and that is a normal human being does
    I meant that getting your hair cut when it gets long is what a normal human being does.

    And so what if he only did it two times? It's not that weird. Weird shit is stuff like having sex with a 5 month old baby. I'm sorry, but saying that Tobi is different based on his haircut over a period of a long time is not sufficient evidence to prove anything. Tobi has also changed his mask over the years. Are you going to say that Tobi is 3 different people because of the mask change too?
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by Codex View Post
    To begin with, why would Madara wear a mask? Not saying he didn't, but I just want to know why.

    The only real issue with this that comes to mind is that long-haired Tobi (=? Madara) revealed himself to Kisame. Then when short-haired Tobi came out, he showed his face to Kisame and Kisame seemingly recognized him as the same person; i.e., long-haired Tobi and short-haired Tobi apparently have the same face.

    I'll have to dig around for the chapter, but it's in a thread from a few days ago that's basically the same theory.
    He doesnt recognize tobi as the same person i was going to say this same thing her is the page
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by alexu9696 View Post
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    I will put this things chronologically

    20 years ago there was a man behind the mask this mask men has short hair this is Tobi !

    Itachi was young when Tobi attaked Konoha


    After Itachi become older lets say he had 15-16 years here he meet with someone that he belives he was Madara Uchiha

    This man has long hair and its impossible for him to be Tobi unless Tobi hair keeps growing and then he cuts his hair again and again...

    This mask men long hair ( Madara ) we see him for the last time controling Yagura from the shadows



    Both have the same mask that Tobi had when he attaked Konoha look carefully



    Then we see the mask men with shot hair ( Tobi ) years later appearing again this time joining akatsuki


    Notice that they are two different people ?

    I belive this is the way Tobi maked people belive his Madara Uchiha because he had Madara to remplace him and show them something else with the same mask that Tobi always had.....
    Another thing, why did you put Kisame's meeting with Tobi after Itachi's meeting with Tobi. What proof do you have that shows this happened?

    If you want to base it on haircut, it's much more likely that Kisame met with Tobi before Itachi did. This means that you placed the order wrong and then the haircut thing makes even more sense. Tobi used to have long hair, then he got one hair cut. There is nothing wrong with an appearance change. Every anime character has one.
     
         

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    Re: Madara and Tobi the two people behind the mask !

    Quote Originally Posted by alexu9696 View Post
    its not a tobi identy thread ... if you whant to know who is tobi in my opinion http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...98326&page=441 scroll down and you will se my name and my theory
    lol it got removed didn't it ? I'll check it out haha I see what you did there though so you think that the 'masked guy' has actually been two different guys , originally madara then tobi came along hmm I understand now
    *edit your theory is possible I guess only some holes as does all theory's nice anyway
     
         
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