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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    I thought chapter 594 was epic it was nice to see naruto again
     
         

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    Who will laugh with me if it actually is Obito? HAHA!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Lee View Post
    Who will laugh with me if it actually is Obito? HAHA!
    not me bc i think it is obito
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyno View Post
    First of all, through the help of madara, pretty much master of the sharingan. Tobi was definitely helped by madara, and that could have also meant some training in order to accomplish their goal, just like oro and sasuke, with sasukes training. Madara was the only person who controlled the nine tails in such a way, and he would probably be the only one who could teach obito to use it like that. He bypassed the barriers undetected with his space time ninjutsu. idk how he got it, but he seemed pretty new to it, seeing as how he didn't know any way that it could be countered and didn't expect one. By the way, if sasuke can learn Kirin, I think obito through the aid of madara could learn how to use this jutsu. He stood no chance against minato. We don't even know if he's a real threat now. The only thing he has is this space time ninjutsu. As soon as minato figured out a way around his jutsu, tobi knew he had to flee. He is nothing without this jutsu, but that also means all he had to learn was how to use his sharingan and how to use the space time ninjutsu. And those wrinkles don't look like old age wrinkles at all. They look more like scars. I don't know what type of boulder gives scars, but that is definitely not a determinate of his age.
    You might want to look at the manga panels again or even the anime to see Tobi's half revealed face. Those are indeed wrinkles coming from his eyes, not scars.

    Also, we know that Madara died shortly after his fight with the First Hokage. Obito wasn't even born during those times, so how could he be trained by Madara?

    The Obito theory was created simply because of some similarities in Tobi's appearance, but there are a lot of facts that make the theory a relatively weak one, especially when compared to other possibilities such as Tobi being Izuna, Kagami, or the elder son of SO6P.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    the chapter is epic
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveEmotions View Post
    not me bc i think it is obito
    Well you did get what i meant in the first place the people laughing with me would be the people that thought it was Obito now you see we would be laughing at the people who said there is no way it could be Obit do you get in now?? :sy:
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Lee View Post
    Well you did get what i meant in the first place the people laughing with me would be the people that thought it was Obito now you see we would be laughing at the people who said there is no way it could be Obit do you get in now?? :sy:
    yea i knew what u meant dude its y i agreed with u :flaw:
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    i know this is a stupid question but can anyone please explain to me how to create a thread
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    IF ANYONE CAN EXPLAIN TO ME JUST EXACTLY HOW KAKASHI GOT THE MANGEKYO SHARINGAN THEN I'LL SHUT UP ABOUT MY OBITO THEORY!

    BECAUSE MY EXPLINATION IS KAKASHI EYE IS STILL LINKED TO TOBI(obito) SO IT HAS LEVELD THAT'S EHY HE WAS ABLE TO WARP PAINS ROCKET USING TIME AND SPACE POWER JUST LIKE TOBI!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePieness View Post
    GREAT CHAPTER!!! Also, how the f*ck does Tobi know about Kakashi and Guy?
    I was thinking this too, i never agreed with tobi being obito and still dont but Tobi may be someone along those lines
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by gameove View Post
    thk people need to here that . aka the truth
    thanks man, but it seems pointless.
    i feel like 1 out of every 100 people read what I have to say.
    i start asking myself, "why did you even waste the time to write that"
    then i dont post on here for another 3 months...
    oh well.
    post fail i suppose.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    very lame chapter, i hated how there was a random loophole that lets him summon the 10 tails with havingt naruto or bee, but that was expected as i knew the juubi would come but they wouldnt let naruto die
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    Stop this obito mith..Tobi can't be obito because obito died recently before the leaf atack,the day naruto was born..Tobi was old when he fought with the fourth hokage,he can't be obito:-p..its just my point of wiew:D
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    A path made by Madara or the senju ancestor watch it will be one of them.
    Not some random Uchiha everyone saw in one panel in a village where that very clan resided.Actually think with your heads the reasons on why one might be tobi.Give reasons as to why it is relevant to the plot at hand.He is not Kagami uchiha he is not Obito who magically
    rose from under a boulder then magically aged faster then kakashi to go and kill minato and take over the leaf.That is just retarded.His body might have a role but actually being
    tobi ? No.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post
    6.) People keep saying that Madara created or trained Tobi. I put it to you this way. I find it more likely that Tobi trained and cultured Madara. Who told Madara and Izuna about Mangekyou? Who told Madara about Rinnengan? Chances are much more likely that Tobi predates Madara is even more powerful than him. Lets look at fact.... Tobi got hit by ameratsu and came out clean. Tobi had his arm infected by bugs and cut it off and soon after replaced it. Tobi had half his torso and an arm and some of his face blown off by Konan and healed shortly afterwards, with no residual damage. Tobi has the intimate knowledge of the Rikudou, his sons, the tailed beasts, including the juubi, the personal fight between Senju and Uchiha dating back to the origin (the sons of the sage). He has bent character after character to his will. He has masqueraded as a nitwit Akatsuki member and as the most renowned uchiha (madara) and no one has called him out on it, because they have no way to scope his power. He has time space ninjutsu and knows the workings of the Sharingan and Rinnengan intimately. He claims that the Rinnengan was "his". He only uses one rinnengan even though he has both. He uses one sharingan as well, because he knows the power of having both as a balance. Tobi has faced every single situation with no fear at all (unless he was acting like during sasuke deidara fight). He fought 8 Konoha ninjas singlehandedly and embarrassed them. He entered the secret meeting of the kages and threatened them with war. He saved Sasuke from Tsuchikages dust techniques. He purposefully used Nagato the descendant of his enemies to further his own schemes, and empowered him all with the purpose of using him. He negates his own existence by calling himself "no one". Think of all the other villians... always so desperate to pronounce their own name and power. So desperate for the recognition of their greatness. Tobi doesnt want to be recognized, he doesnt want to be feared or admired. He wants to destroy all freedom and sense of self from the world. This is a man who has planned and plotted and steered the course of the fate of the world in a direction of his choosing for DECADES, maybe even centuries! He was hit by a BALL crushing rasengan by the 4th hokage, Minato, and then stabbed in the chest by a kunai, only to retreat with a promise to return, which even Minato didn't doubt. He has penetrated and pervaded every aspect of this entire series.
    If you still think that Tobi is someone as small and unimportant as Obito Uchiha, then you are a lost cause. HOPELESS.
    Tobi is and can only be the elder son of the Sage of the Six Paths.
    They wouldnt recognize his face or his name even if he told it to them...so whats the point? And honestly his face is so disfigured, I'm not surprised he keeps it covered, just like the rest of his body. He wears gloves and a full on cloak and mask. His skin is hidden, his name is hidden, his face is hidden, the only thing he has been completely explicit about is his desires. Which frankly he's been honest about this whole time. "I'm going to revive the Juubi and use the Infinite Tsukiyomi on the world, destroying reality as you know it" - Tobi
    his response from the kage... " The what? The who? What you talkin about?"
    His plans, and his power are on a higher level than anyone that we know of. I don't know how I can make it any more obvious than that. I hope that helps...
    Hi all, after weeks of me reading discussions on Naruto storyline, here's my first post with my personal considerations.

    I find this analysis very insightful and plausible, actually more reliable than any other theory about Tobi's true identity. Even if I suppose there're going to be way more chapters before Kishi revealing who's behind that mask, this Tobi guy shows us to be so different from any other main and powerful character in the manga. It could really be the elder son of So6P.
    I was recently going through the various representations of Tobi resemblance and we know he wore 3 different masks: the first one (during Leaf's attack) had something like black flames on it (Amaterasu?); the second one focused on the space-time travel jutsu and the last one summarizes the balance between the regained Rinnegan and the Sharingan.
    I am a little confused, anyway, by the fact that if he really is the Sage's son, the only image we've ever seen of him is rather different from the hair style he has while wearing the masks. With the first one he actually resembles Madara's long hair which looks very different from his older appearance. With short hair then, he may actually resemble to Kagami Uchiha, but I wouldn't go with this theory.
    Anyway, even with what the name Tobi is supposed to mean (to what I got, something like "black kite"), I can't find any relations to possible identity's guesses.
    Btw, we now know that he and Madara are somehow related and collaborated in the past. And we can also guess that his relation with Zetsu is way deeper than on a simple "Akatsuki plan" level. Orochimaru also had a obvious part in it, by conducing experiments with the First's cells.
    Regarding the presumed relations with Kakashi and Guy, I just think Tobi is so clever to understand very well his enemies and their weakness, of course with a little help from intel gathered by former Akatsuki members. He's just playing mind games with them.
    Finally, I expect to see what will happen when Madara arrives to Naruto-Tobi battlefield. It is not unpredictable that he could turn against Tobi, for his own purpose, especially now that he's free from the Edo Tensei. Also think about what he could do when he knows that Naruto got that power-up from the Tailed Beasts... he could be very interested in taking from Naruto all the powers he should have gained.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    People shouldn't say it was all talk- it was the build up for the actions coming in the next chapters
    It was also EPIC 5/5
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    1/5, I enjoyed watching kabuto's flashback more then this.

    Literally nothing happened except a re-cap of how Mazo is going to be the Ten-Tails but just a small portion.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SEEDLESS View Post
    I think Kagami unlocked the mangekyou. Read the manga again. See danzo's death. Naruto chapter 481
    Ok I read it....doesn't mention anything about kagami
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by lukasenko View Post
    DUDE your theory is ****ing awesome! That means that tobi has come from the future. But if that were the case tobi has come from the future to change what has already happened in his world. . . meaning that in his future naruto has already failed to accomplish what jiraiya and nagato longed for.
    He certainly would be a Sasuke from a much different future yes, as also the fight with Danzo apparently didnt take place there (Tobi numerously comments on his interest in what Sasuke is about to to next against his Izanagi). It also explains why Tobi says that its not important to win a fight, but to know what will happen in the future.

    Well, we will see when the contents of the scroll will be revealed. If its a technique that can send Sasukes soul into the past, or some other advanced space/time jutsu, Im pretty positive that Tobi is just an older Sasuke who now tries to change history by any means. His hatred of Konoha is also exactly the same as Sasukes. Also Itachi feared Tobi and Sasuke coming into contact and tried to prevent this by any means. Its always bad buisness for history to meet a future self who manipulates you.

    And, well...it would be just an awesome twist if Sasuke did the massacre himself, guised under a mask as Tobi so no one would know his identity so that his younger selfs timeline would be somewhat preserved. A noname like Kagami or a weakling like Obito, even Sasukes father, I cannot fathom any explaination how they could possibly become someone like Tobi.

    And for Obito: Sasuke knew EXACTLY when and where Obito would meet his end, because he was Kakashis student and knows that story. It would be perfectly possible for him to take his second Sharingan just after Kakashi left him under that rock.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

    i think u all go it wrong,the thing is that u guys dnt seem to remember that GUY knew he how Kisame fight but figure some how it was not the real Kisame which i the end of battle GUY's guess was correct because he had never met that man b4. NB Guy's oponent was using Kisame chakra n was under some type of special juitsu...
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post
    Im gonna try to explain a few questions that were asked.
    1.) In the final page, Tobi is holding onto the chain that holds the fan in his right hand, and in his left hand he is catching the handle of he fan.
    2.) Kyuubi is not afraid of the Juubi, he is just honestly saying that he isn't as powerful. He also states that because the 8 and 9 tails are still out and about and the ten tails isnt going to be in a full perfect form, he isnt sure about the outcome, but that they will have to try and fight to find out if they stand a chance.
    3.) Tobi was insulting both Gai and Kakashi. He obviously knows them well enough to know some of their character flaws. This doesnt mean that he is from Konoha, it means he understands his enemy perfectly.
    4.)Tobi could not have sealed Kinkaku and Ginkaku outside of the war prior to the fighting for a few reasons. One being that the bottle was in the possession of the brothers and I doubt they would have taken kindly to being sealed in their own property. The second being that the jar was in the possession of the Raikage. They transported it onto the field of battle to defeat Kinkaku after he went tailed beast. Tobi instantly took this opportunity to invade the battlefield for the first time in the war and relieve them of the two pieces containing the brothers, and enough nine tailed chakra to summon the juubi.
    5.) Tobi is not Obito, so stop saying it. Its stupid. He wasn't old enough, he wasnt wise enough, he wasnt powerful enough, he died, and maybe most importantly... he believed in doing good, not evil. He is the one that convinced Kakashi to fight for his teammates instead of deserting them. Denying these OBVIOUS facts to fantasize about some demented theory that Obito is somehow back to life and is the most powerful all knowing invincible man in the world is retarded.
    6.) People keep saying that Madara created or trained Tobi. I put it to you this way. I find it more likely that Tobi trained and cultured Madara. Who told Madara and Izuna about Mangekyou? Who told Madara about Rinnengan? Chances are much more likely that Tobi predates Madara is even more powerful than him. Lets look at fact.... Tobi got hit by ameratsu and came out clean. Tobi had his arm infected by bugs and cut it off and soon after replaced it. Tobi had half his torso and an arm and some of his face blown off by Konan and healed shortly afterwards, with no residual damage. Tobi has the intimate knowledge of the Rikudou, his sons, the tailed beasts, including the juubi, the personal fight between Senju and Uchiha dating back to the origin (the sons of the sage). He has bent character after character to his will. He has masqueraded as a nitwit Akatsuki member and as the most renowned uchiha (madara) and no one has called him out on it, because they have no way to scope his power. He has time space ninjutsu and knows the workings of the Sharingan and Rinnengan intimately. He claims that the Rinnengan was "his". He only uses one rinnengan even though he has both. He uses one sharingan as well, because he knows the power of having both as a balance. Tobi has faced every single situation with no fear at all (unless he was acting like during sasuke deidara fight). He fought 8 Konoha ninjas singlehandedly and embarrassed them. He entered the secret meeting of the kages and threatened them with war. He saved Sasuke from Tsuchikages dust techniques. He purposefully used Nagato the descendant of his enemies to further his own schemes, and empowered him all with the purpose of using him. He negates his own existence by calling himself "no one". Think of all the other villians... always so desperate to pronounce their own name and power. So desperate for the recognition of their greatness. Tobi doesnt want to be recognized, he doesnt want to be feared or admired. He wants to destroy all freedom and sense of self from the world. This is a man who has planned and plotted and steered the course of the fate of the world in a direction of his choosing for DECADES, maybe even centuries! He was hit by a BALL crushing rasengan by the 4th hokage, Minato, and then stabbed in the chest by a kunai, only to retreat with a promise to return, which even Minato didn't doubt. He has penetrated and pervaded every aspect of this entire series.
    If you still think that Tobi is someone as small and unimportant as Obito Uchiha, then you are a lost cause. HOPELESS.
    Tobi is and can only be the elder son of the Sage of the Six Paths.
    They wouldnt recognize his face or his name even if he told it to them...so whats the point? And honestly his face is so disfigured, I'm not surprised he keeps it covered, just like the rest of his body. He wears gloves and a full on cloak and mask. His skin is hidden, his name is hidden, his face is hidden, the only thing he has been completely explicit about is his desires. Which frankly he's been honest about this whole time. "I'm going to revive the Juubi and use the Infinite Tsukiyomi on the world, destroying reality as you know it" - Tobi
    his response from the kage... " The what? The who? What you talkin about?"
    His plans, and his power are on a higher level than anyone that we know of. I don't know how I can make it any more obvious than that. I hope that helps...
    Well, I understand some of your points (by the way 1-4 was true) but even though i am starting to shift more to kagami than obito,there is still flaw in your arguments. Pertaining to 5, when somebody saves your life, you will probably be willing to listen to them. With promises of true peace, the same promises that tobi speaks of now, madara could have easily persuaded him to join his side. Especially since madara as a master sharingan user is probably great at influencing peoples decisions. Tobi believes that he is good as well. He has said time and time again that his goal is to create a world of truth. I would not say this is completely good, but it is certainly not completely of a wrong intention. Just as Nagato was used, Tobi could be being used just as much. I'm not saying that he is but im saying we dont know that he has evil intentions, just his methods are evil.

    Onto 6, what evidence do you have that tobi taught madara about those things (i wont repeat them all)? Even if madara couldnt learn this information himself, there still is no probable cause that it was tobi who was the one who taught him. And why wouldnt madara know. Itachi knew himself about mangekyo, about izangi, and about izanami, and the entire story behind it. Unless Itachi was in cohorts with madara and tobi at some point, that would make this information maybe not completely available to everybody, but madara would have been able to figure it out. For your next bit, pretty much everything you said was due to his sharingan ability, his space time ninjtsu, and attained knowledge. He has shown no power, he has just shown extremely effective passive skills. Oh and the regenerative body parts I believe is a product of reconstruction from zetsu's white body. He was not stabbed in the chest ever. Minato put a tag on him not a kunai. Then he removed his control over the nine tails. Also the Rasengan was anincomplete jutsu at that time. it barely scratched most of him. It looked deadly but most of what it did was it put a whole on his clothes on the impact spot and it thrashed his body up. That is not a matter of tobi's strength, but rasengans weakness. Most of the impressive things you wrote on that list were due to his space time ninjutsu, so there is pretty much one factor you are considering in all those examples you listed. His power is completely unknown. All we know is that because he can become invulnerable and he has rinne and sharingan, he is effective. Beyond his space time ninjutsu hes had one taijutsu fight and that is the extent to which we know his "power". If even konohamaru had the power to be invulnerable, he would be an incredible threat to everybody. Although what makes it even more threatening is his manipulative force. He is manipulating and controlling so many things, and naruto and friends can fight the products of his persuasion, but they cannot attack the root of the problem. That is why tobi is so dangerous. Also now because he has the incomplete ten tails. Only now will we see his true power as he has to become vulnerable at some point in order to defend the juubi. So dont tell me how powerful he is until we see him actually do something. Even now itstoo late, because tobi has had time to develop some skills. Only if he does something completely absurd that isnt due to the rinne gan would I say that there is no way obito could have learned that in almost 20 years (since his boulder incident). All he needed to learn is one space time ninjutsu in 3 years is not an impractical idea.

    Lack of initial skill is nothing in the face of hard training and a great sensei. Madara did have contact with tobi, and if tobi is madara, training and teaching is definitely what took place. All that he learned in 3 years was how to use sharingan and a space time ninjutsu (to our knowledge), and if he was rolling with madara, this was definitely not an impractical feat.

    Tobi is not the Elder son. First and foremost, and probably all I need to say, even though he is the uchiha elder, he did not have the sharingan. His dojutsu was more similar to rinnegan than sharingan. right there should be enough evidence, but I can share more. If tobi was as wise as the elder was, I feel like he would have known that minato was smarter than to just run into somebody who he just figured out was invulnerable and had run through it twice. Even I would probably think the third time if he does the same thing he probably has a plan. That was an unwise move by tobi and I dont think someone as old as the elder son would be as unwise. And I believe that being the son of the so6p would make you faster than any other person, yet minato escaped with ease his attack without using space time ninjutsu. That just doesnt seem like something possible against the son of the strongest ninja ever. And why would he pose as madara? Madara must have been weaker than him, and he at least smarter than madara if he taught madara everything he knows as you said. It would be much more intimidating for him to say I am the son of the creator of everything you know.

    I may not be correct in my guess, but at least i have evidence to back up my point. He's just not the elder son. My first point on that part should explain enough.
     
         

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    Tobi is not the Elder Son of the Sage of Six Paths. The Elder Son bears a different, probably more powerful dojutsu than Sharingan, but it is not in fact Sharingan. There are other points for why I disagree with this viewpoint, which i posted previously, but this reason is enough.


    There. Not sharingan.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyno View Post
    Tobi is not the Elder Son of the Sage of Six Paths. The Elder Son bears a different, probably more powerful dojutsu than Sharingan, but it is not in fact Sharingan. There are other points for why I disagree with this viewpoint, which i posted previously, but this reason is enough.


    There. Not sharingan.
    That's the Rinnegan 'cause So6P gave it to his elder son.
    It is said that the Sharingan and the Bjakugan derived from
    the ocular jutsu of the Sage himself.
    Since Tobi said he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato, it follows that
    he's "switched down" to the Sharingan, also due to his plan of faking to be Madara.
    The image of the Sage's son is tricky because of the "amarcord" drawing style of
    it, rendering the very very old time of his youth.
     
         

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    Thought this week chapter was ok... Last weeks was better...Kishi put a mean twist with bringing back oro... Gedo mazo being a host for the jubi... My thoughts on that are that Kishi has something big in the making

    Wasn't it obvious since the chapter where he reveals his moons eye plan to the kages ... I always though the gedo mazo would be used in that way like c'mon it even looks like a tailed beast . I think the twist behind this is that hashirama might have created the gedo mazo ... I know I know it's a a rinnengan jutsu but is it really? Ehh I'll let you think about that also what is the point of gathering all the tailed beast and puttin it into the gedo mazo obviously you know why now.
     
         

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    As I said before. There is still alot we dont know about the Second Hokage. Earlier in the series, it was said that he gave his life by staying behind and letting Danzo and Hiruzen go ahead while he stayed and faught the shinobi that were chasing them. But in episode 270, They said that the Gold and Silver brothers killed him. And in the previous epidode they said the Gold and Silver brothers staged a coup d'tat and killed him and someone else. Anybody have any details or facts about the Second Hokage (Tobirama)?
     
         

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