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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    From your point of view maybe...
    there is plenty of evidence on the web about evolution

    would you care to share the evidence for intelligent design that is relevant?
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    I think it should be thought...I also think it should be taught too. In fact, we should throw out evolution because there's no scientific proof for it and put something in that does have proof for those with eyes.
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    evolution has much evidence

    intelligent design has 0 evidence

    ... fact
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    From your point of view maybe...

    Quote Originally Posted by North Kai View Post
    there is plenty of evidence on the web about evolution

    would you care to share the evidence for intelligent design that is relevant?

    Obvious Troll...


    Why do you fall for it?
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

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    Obvious Troll...


    Why do you fall for it?
    Shisha my man, that's not nice. I never troll, it's a waste of my time. What I'm saying is that from one point of veiw, evolution has proof of its theory and Intelligent Design doesn't. From another point of veiw, Intelligent Design has proof of its theory and atheistic evolution doesn't. What's trolling about that? I'm just trying to get people to think outside the box and see more than just what they want to see. If that is trolling...then yeah, I must be a big fat troll because that's all I ever do.
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

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    Shisha my man, that's not nice. I never troll, it's a waste of my time. What I'm saying is that from one point of veiw, evolution has proof of its theory and Intelligent Design doesn't. From another point of veiw, Intelligent Design has proof of its theory and atheistic evolution doesn't. What's trolling about that? I'm just trying to get people to think outside the box and see more than just what they want to see. If that is trolling...then yeah, I must be a big fat troll because that's all I ever do.
    Lmaoo... Yup you're a troll!

    You're that one guy that goes to Subway with excatly 5 dollars, buy a Footlong and then when the price rings up to $7.12, Say; "The sign says 5 Dollar Footlongs, i only brought 5 Dollars"

    Then again, that might be what i did yesterday...
     
         
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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShishaMastah420 View Post
    Lmaoo... Yup you're a troll!

    You're that one guy that goes to Subway with excatly 5 dollars, buy a Footlong and then when the price rings up to $7.12, Say; "The sign says 5 Dollar Footlongs, i only brought 5 Dollars"

    Then again, that might be what i did yesterday...
    I've actually never done that. Of course, I don't like subway anymore. :D

    Seriously though, am I unreasonable for stating that? Is trying to get people to think outside the box really such a crime?

    I have nothing against atheism, mostly because it's none of my business what someone believes. Believe in the FSM for all I care. I've seen both sides, and was turning to atheism myself until something happened.

    Also, Intelligent Design doesn't rule out evolution, merely suggests on that point that something in control started it...it doesn't cast it aside entirely, but I don't believe in that.
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    I've actually never done that. Of course, I don't like subway anymore. :D

    Seriously though, am I unreasonable for stating that? Is trying to get people to think outside the box really such a crime?

    I have nothing against atheism, mostly because it's none of my business what someone believes. Believe in the FSM for all I care. I've seen both sides, and was turning to atheism myself until something happened.

    Also, Intelligent Design doesn't rule out evolution, merely suggests on that point that something in control started it...it doesn't cast it aside entirely, but I don't believe in that.
    You don't like subway? O>O!

    Of-course you aren't wrong; What you did is kinda of bait-ish though, without restraint one could easily jump at it senselessly, such as; North Kai...
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShishaMastah420 View Post
    such as; North Kai...
    I didnt really get what you meant by that
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    I think it has no place in a science classroom, considering its lack of scientific proof. Darwin's theory has the most evidence to support it at the moment, so that is what should be taught. Of course if something else with more comes along, it should replace it (seemingly unlikely at this stage). If people wish to teach intelligent design, it should be a religious education class, as long as it is not false represented as science. Anyone who wishes it to be taught as a valid scientific theory has no respect for the scientific process.
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Because its been proven to be wrong and its just science based on religion.Whenever you have a science manipulated and changed to fit a religion its invalidated.
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShishaMastah420 View Post
    You don't like subway? O>O!

    Of-course you aren't wrong; What you did is kinda of bait-ish though, without restraint one could easily jump at it senselessly, such as; North Kai...
    Okay, maybe that's my style, but I don't mean to bait, bro. My intentions are pure; I only wish to make people think. Last I checked that's not a crime.

    I really respect your opinion, and though I'm theist and you're atheist, I still consider you a friend. I couldn't care less about what someone believes; I care more about being mates (as my Aussie friends would say ).
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    Okay, maybe that's my style, but I don't mean to bait, bro. My intentions are pure; I only wish to make people think. Last I checked that's not a crime.

    I really respect your opinion, and though I'm theist and you're atheist, I still consider you a friend. I couldn't care less about what someone believes; I care more about being mates (as my Aussie friends would say ).

    Here is a funny bit of information about me, the Athiest; Majority of the people I hang out with are theist, belonging to either Islam or Judiasm; A bit of a hypocrite aren't I?

    Anywhoooa.. Cheers Mate!
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShishaMastah420 View Post
    Here is a funny bit of information about me, the Athiest; Majority of the people I hang out with are theist, belonging to either Islam or Judiasm; A bit of a hypocrite aren't I?

    Anywhoooa.. Cheers Mate!
    Well, I'm neither Jewish, Islamic, Christian, Catholic, Buddhist, etc. I'm a Natsarim. (it means watchman; we guard the name of the Creator and the Covenant.)

    Well, everyone's entitled to their own opinion; I'm not the judge...that's for sure.

    OT: So why is it that atheist...such as yourself ShishaMastah...so opposed to Intelligent Design? I'm curious to know actually; I'm halfway thinking that it's hypocritical for an atheist to think there's a problem with it...
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Intelligent design brings up religion, and that is a big problem for ANY school. When you mention an intelligent designer, an all powerful creator, everyone's thought process won't be the same. Some children will think of Yahweh, some will think of Vishnu, and some Ra, and so on and so forth. Children will start asking questions regarding who the all powerful designer is, and if the teacher gives any sort of answer other than, "I don't know," it'll spark a big controversy about a teacher trying to push his or her religious beliefs on the children.

    Evolution is pretty streamline. It's easily taught, and there's no controversy to be had. Evolution certainly doesn't DISPROVE anyone's God, nor does it show evidence for a God.
    It certainly DOES have quite a bit of evidence supporting it, the fossil record certainly shows evidence for it. If you want recent evidence, you could look at Homo Floresiensis.



    If anyone is willing to show me any sort of evidence of intelligent design without using the words "irreducibly complex" I'd like to see it.

    Reverting back to the central topic of the thread, I believe that teaching intelligent design in schools would cause too much controversy.
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Intelligent design brings up religion, and that is a big problem for ANY school. When you mention an intelligent designer, an all powerful creator, everyone's thought process won't be the same. Some children will think of Yahweh, some will think of Vishnu, and some Ra, and so on and so forth. Children will start asking questions regarding who the all powerful designer is, and if the teacher gives any sort of answer other than, "I don't know," it'll spark a big controversy about a teacher trying to push his or her religious beliefs on the children.

    Evolution is pretty streamline. It's easily taught, and there's no controversy to be had. Evolution certainly doesn't DISPROVE anyone's God, nor does it show evidence for a God.
    It certainly DOES have quite a bit of evidence supporting it, the fossil record certainly shows evidence for it. If you want recent evidence, you could look at Homo Floresiensis.



    If anyone is willing to show me any sort of evidence of intelligent design without using the words "irreducibly complex" I'd like to see it.

    Reverting back to the central topic of the thread, I believe that teaching intelligent design in schools would cause too much controversy.
    See, ShishaMastah? What did I tell you? Complete disregard for another person's point of veiw...folly on its face.
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    See, ShishaMastah? What did I tell you? Complete disregard for another person's point of veiw...folly on its face.
    You've failed to give your point of view. o_o

    By all means, show me any sort of evidence that you seem to have that shows proof of intelligent design. o_o I'm certainly not saying it's impossible, and I'm not saying you or anyone else in this thread is wrong.

    Earlier you said, "What I'm saying is that from one point of veiw, evolution has proof of its theory and Intelligent Design doesn't. From another point of veiw, Intelligent Design has proof of its theory and atheistic evolution doesn't."

    I'm not saying there isn't evidence for intelligent design. I'm just asking for it.
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    You've failed to give your point of view. o_o

    By all means, show me any sort of evidence that you seem to have that shows proof of intelligent design. o_o I'm certainly not saying it's impossible, and I'm not saying you or anyone else in this thread is wrong.

    Earlier you said, "What I'm saying is that from one point of veiw, evolution has proof of its theory and Intelligent Design doesn't. From another point of veiw, Intelligent Design has proof of its theory and atheistic evolution doesn't."

    I'm not saying there isn't evidence for intelligent design. I'm just asking for it.
    There's tons of it, more than I could possible even dig through. Look it up yourself, Answers in Genisis is an awesome one...there's also lots of encounters with paranormal activity...true, most of it is false, but some is still real.

    Oh, and I wasn't responding to you really, rather my man Shisha.
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    There's tons of it, more than I could possible even dig through. Look it up yourself, Answers in Genisis is an awesome one...there's also lots of encounters with paranormal activity...true, most of it is false, but some is still real.

    Oh, and I wasn't responding to you really, rather my man Shisha.
    Would you mind showing me some evidence? I'm not asking you to show me the entire mountain, just something. Also, just a piece of advice, referencing the bible in an argument doesn't really hold up. Not because it's subject matter isn't true or false, but because not everyone believes in it. ^^
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Would you mind showing me some evidence? I'm not asking you to show me the entire mountain, just something. Also, just a piece of advice, referencing the bible in an argument doesn't really hold up. Not because it's subject matter isn't true or false, but because not everyone believes in it. ^^
    Okay, take the geological column. A Creation scientist, like the ones that are discredited at Answers in Genisis, would use the "geological column" as proof of a world wide flood, not evolution. However, seeing it in that way requires one to think outside the box...something I need proof of an atheist being able to do. It's all based on one's point of veiw. One man's trash is another man's treasure...that sort of thing.
     
         

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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    Well, I'm neither Jewish, Islamic, Christian, Catholic, Buddhist, etc. I'm a Natsarim. (it means watchman; we guard the name of the Creator and the Covenant.)

    Well, everyone's entitled to their own opinion; I'm not the judge...that's for sure.

    OT: So why is it that atheist...such as yourself ShishaMastah...so opposed to Intelligent Design? I'm curious to know actually; I'm halfway thinking that it's hypocritical for an atheist to think there's a problem with it...
    Natsarim? Never heard of that; Will be doing a bit of researching...

    Well; I'm not necessarily completely against Intelligent Design but to say something was designed by someone else means someone else designed that someone else....

    Its like A created B; what created A?

    If A can(is necessary to) spontaneously create B; What spontaneously created A?...

    Why if A has no intelligent designer is it so hard to grasped that B could have no intelligent designer?


    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    See, ShishaMastah? What did I tell you? Complete disregard for another person's point of veiw...folly on its face.
    It is easier to speak on Evolution than on Intelligent Design; From his stand point atleast; He did use relatively neutral words, till the end bit;
    If anyone is willing to show me any sort of evidence of intelligent design without using the words "irreducibly complex" I'd like to see it.
     
         
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    Re: Should Intelligent Design Be Thought In Schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShishaMastah420 View Post
    Natsarim? Never heard of that; Will be doing a bit of researching...

    Well; I'm not necessarily completely against Intelligent Design but to say something was designed by someone else means someone else designed that someone else....

    Its like A created B; what created A?

    If A can(is necessary to) spontaneously create B; What spontaneously created A?...

    Why if A has no intelligent designer is it so hard to grasped that B could have no intelligent designer?




    It is easier to speak on Evolution than on Intelligent Design; From his stand point atleast; He did use relatively neutral words, till the end bit;
    Right, but evolution without a creator has the same problem. Look up "A Universe from Nothing", the dude explains how stuff is popping in and out of existance...but it's never explained as to where it's coming from, how it's creating itself, etc. So the whole thing is just shoving the answer further back so it's harder to answer...making the theory (which it's still a theory mind you) seem sound by making the next question more difficult.

    In I.D. the Creator did not have to be created...He was always there...hence his name which mean "I was, I am and I will always be".
     
         

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