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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Guys!!!!!! I figured out who Tobi is!!!! This time, i'm sure of it, and once you see it, i'm sure all of you will get it!!! You ready? He is:

     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    good 5/5
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Tobi is an experiment which included zetsu and obito :D
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    I am not even going to even guess or mention who I think Tobi is right now. All my theories might be wrong since Tobi can be anybody at this point...

    Oh and 5/5, The last page gave me goosebumps. I was like "Go Naruto!"
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Well, since the theories of Tobi are coming to an end shortly I thought I'd give some insight into how I wish it went or how I would of made it if I had to write the story.

    Madara was the first "Tobi" this is the name he took once leaving the village, he acquires his new found power of the rinnegan but knows this discovery would be short lived, he needs someone who understands him and is willing to carry out his will for the sake of uncovering more truth. Tobi heads to the anbu of the hidden leaf and meets danzo and gives his proposal, he speaks to danzo about how hashirama is unfit to lead the village and that power is the key to success and danzo agrees to help him.

    After his death, Madara entrusted his eyes with the baby Nagato and to be watched over by danzo who posed as the new Tobi. He raised up the akatsuki and watched over them until the day he decided he'd be needing the rinnegan back in which he planned to kill them all using hanzo as a pawn. Underestimating Nagato's abilities the plan failed and he had lived on and this only breeded his hatred more and danzo took the opportunity to prolong the plan.

    Danzo now follows what Madara has told him, find the uchiha boy who holds great power... who this boy is you may wonder? Obito. I'll get back to this in a minute.

    Madara reveals that Izuna had space-time abilities with his magenkyou while Madara held Susanoo, amaterasu and tsukyonomi. Madara is a direct ancestor to that of Sasuke and Itachi, it is why fugaku Uchiha was chosen as the head of the police force for his strong abilities and inheritance of great power. But who descends from Izuna? Obito. He is the child Madara was reffering to. Danzo has the whole uchiha clan under close watch and watches Izuna's generations flow down to the child that is now Obito.

    During the incident at Kanabi bridge, Danzo is amazed at Obito's capabilties to awaken his 2 tomoe sharingan when put under pressure and realises that he is indeed capable of what Madara has spoken about, the child who would raise to great heights. Sadly he had chosen to save Kakashi which was unexpected but never the less, danzo had made his way in when the rocks were falling and had Zetsu attach to obito and take him through the earth.

    Danzo steals shisui's eye (after dealing with obito in the next paragraph) and used it to control the mizukage as "Tobi" and now kisame has joined. Everything is going as planned so far, the story line goes as usual and danzo acts through his own sense of "justice" to protect konoha.

    Zetsu was the experiment of which Madara had also left danzo to utilise in raising him with the senju dna to maximise his powers. Now obito was in the care of danzo who had repaired his body using zetsu and trained him secretly over the course of 3 years. It was time... Madara had layed out every detail for danzo to follow, it was incredible how far he had thought ahead, from the Tablets the so6p had left for the uchiha he had come to know the darkest of secrets when reading them with his rinnegan. He left danzo to take control of the kyuubi and crush the leaf then rebuild it in his own way. Obito was constantly being told lies about how he was abandoned as after he became unconsious he lost part of his memory but faintly remembered Kakashi and Rin's faces and someone he held close. Danzo fearing Obito would not be mentally ready had used shisui's eye to cast a genjutsu over him and had him believe he was truely madara and had never before met minato/kakashi/rin etc. This is why during their fight he was surprised with Minato's speed, Obito had developed his s/t abilities with danzo using every ounce of information left for them. Obito had now become the next tobi for this current time during the attack on konoha 16 years prior to the start of the series. Unfortunately this had not gone as planned and danzo had notified the uchiha to stay away as a warning from Madara himself. Danzo became uneasy with the idea he'd become a suspect in this attack and decided to leave obito to his own accord. Danzo had now returned to the village where he decided that Madara's plan had failed and that the uchiha were a lost cause. He had to put the blame on someone and so he layed the blame of the attack on the uchiha which lead to the massacre and had used itachi as a pawn to destory them but disliked the fact that Sasuke had survived but tried not to pay too much attention to it and hoped he'd die eventually. Danzo now returns to the village leaving his old tobi identity behind and aims to become the next hokage.

    But what happened to Obito? To be continued... (if you liked my version I'll continue my story :D)
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    What i see now is:

    Chapter 599 - Revealing who Tobi is, with some flashback explaining why is he doing what he is doing (whether he is obito (wich i'd prefer him not to be), izuna (which i think its the most plausible), kagami, the ramen guy, or whoever), and ending with tobi saying: "worry not, your end is near, for the ten tails is reborn now!"

    Capter 600- Shows true ten tails form, and the desrtuctive power it has, but due its only incomplete form, full 8 tails + full 9 tails can match him, and be a good battle, which makes tobi flee from combat, and trying to get sasuke to kill/capture/rape the jinchuriikis
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by lunkinz View Post
    Tobi is an experiment which included zetsu and obito :D
    Oro knows some serious information :D
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    thinking that why isn't the bijuudama rasengan that landing to tobi face? hahaha
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    if tobi is obito i would suicide
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Massifier View Post
    HOLD UP.

    -Why didn't Tobi use the Rinnegan to blow naruto away? I'm assuming he can't use Rinnegan and Sharingan at the same time or something....?

    Anyways.

    -Was awesome to see Tobi activate MS for the first time, and it's exactly the same as Kakashi's MS which clarifies that the eye belonged to Obito .

    -Kakashi's MS was actually bleeding like the other MSes do.

    -Kakashi will die if he uses MS again >.> =(

    CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT WEEK OMG.
    they said tobi couldnt use rinnegans unique powers cos it took alot out of him to control the bijuu with those strange binding chains

    (kakashi mentioned it earlier in previous chapters)

    im guessing his only power he can use with the rinnegan now is to once he touches you to get bound with those strange chains
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Madara stole Hashiramas DNA awoken the rinnegan and created zetsu with 1st hokages dna i think this is why the black zetsu can use wood techniques

    Madara also used some of his own DNA to make the zetsu and split the chakras of his own and Hashiramas into seperate ying and yangs, just so zetsu is stable (thats why zetsu has a black side and white side with seperate personalities

    Madara explains the plan to zetsu tells him to wait until the 1st is dead and then to teach nagato and to manipulate him so he can be ressurcted by the rinnegan technique

    Before madara dies he implants some of his consciousness into zetsu

    Madara then dies the zetsu takes his rinnegan gives it to an uzumaki (nagato)

    Zetsu eats corpses, found the dead uchiha (obito) ate him which then gives him the ability to read the corpses memories and create an exact copy (tobi)

    zetsu creates a copy clone of the dead body obito and before he makes the clone he splits madaras conscious out into the new clone of obito creating tobi

    but the new madara is not happy with this vessel and tries to get his own body back

    this may explain why tobi cant use susanoo and why kabuto didnt want to absorb him instead of sasuke as he knew he wasnt really an uchiha

    thtats my guess
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by wondersland View Post
    Naruto 599 Prediction--Revelations PT.1---

    The mask falls off Tobi's face and lands in Kamui's dimension as he flies back into the real world and Naruto's clone dissipates from his dimension.

    Tobi struggles to stand up, feeling his face with his back turned towards the alliance, Naruto stares triumphant waiting to see his face.

    Kurama-Naruto: No more mask to hide behind.

    Kakashi: ....Obito...show yourself.

    As Tobi turns towards the alliance he shows his wrinkled face, one eye sharingan and one eye rinnegan.

    Gai: Kakashi...I don't think that is Obito.

    Kakashi: How is this possible...you died during the war?

    Naruto: Who is this guy?

    Kakashi: It's Obito's father...Ka...

    Kagami: My name is Kagami and clearly I am not dead Kakashi.

    Kakashi: But...that is Obito's right eye, I am sure of it...how is this...

    Kagami: I guess if I am going to explain how I came across my son's eye, I should start from the beginning.

    "As you know Kakashi and Gai, I was an elite Uchiha, I trained with Tobirama and I was well on my way to becoming a top official in the Uchiha clan. I was born into a family with only my mother, she never spoke of my father, no one did, I assumed he died in a battle during the formation of the Hidden Leaf. When I was young Tobirama and Harashima took a special interest in me, Harashima put me under Tobirama's guidance, at the time I thought it was a privilege but I would learn that there was more reason behind this. A few days before the death of Tobirama, he pulled me aside and told me of my father, Madara."

    Kakashi: You are Madara son?!

    Kurama-Naruto: I see, this makes sense.

    Kagami: Kyuubi let me finish.

    " Tobirama trusted I would not betray him, he told me that during the fight between Harashima and Madara, both sides were wearing down, both knew if this continued that they would both die, Tobirama was still young at the time, and had not advanced his S/T jutsu far enough to be a leader of the Leaf, so my father decided to make a sacrifice."

    **Flashback**

    Madara: Harashima if we continue, we will both die, and the Leaf will fall, as much as I want my clan to lead the Hidden Leaf, I do not want them to be fodder for another hidden village.

    Harashima: What are you saying?

    Madara: I will vanish, I will not set foot in the Leaf again, you can go back and lead the village, as long as you do not bring harm to my clan, I have told them if I do not return to shun me, in hopes of bringing peace for them.

    Harashima: How can I trust you?

    Madara: My wife just had our first child, we named him Kagami, I will entrust him to you, as long as my child is not betrayed by the Senju clan, I will not return.

    **End Flashback**

    Kagami: Tobirama died a few days later in an ambush attack, leaving Hiruzen in charge. I continued to live in the village out of respect for my father and the sacrifice he made until my son Obito died and that is when I had Danzo help fake my death.

    Gai: Why would you do that?

    Kagami: There had been rumors, that my father was still alive, I needed to find him, after losing my son, Minato Namikaze was named Hokage, Kakashi became known as a hero, and my son was left with nothing. Danzo agreed to help me, on one condition.

    Kakashi: What condition was that?

    Kagami: We will arrive there soon.

    "After I left the village I was able to locate my father, he was old and his body was in no condition to fight. He was angry at me for leaving the village, I told him about Obito and he introduced me to Zetsu, who was able to bring Obito's body to me, where I took his eye. One thing the Uchiha legend never had was a father who took his sons eye, MS activated right away, the sheer emotion of me receiving his eye was enough to awaken it, fortunately for you I received the Kamui eye that was for defense and you had the offense. I only needed my father to teach me one thing, how to control the Kyuubi."

    Gai: The condition....

    Kakashi: It was to....

    Kagami: The condition for the Uchiha to help the Root in a coup of the Hidden Leaf, little did I know the end game Danzo truly had in mind.

    End of naruto 599
    i like this but need to fix some time line but is fine
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Tobi is Teuchi from Ichiraku-Ramen... Theres no other rxplanation :3
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    but i still think tobi is not obito...
    because when nine tails attack on village tobi was a man of almost 25 (calculated by assumption of his figure) but remember the episode when kurenai want to take part in battle against nine tail ... in that episode look at kakashi he is a boy of almost 16 years if tobi is obito then he is at same age as kakashi sensei
    so thats why i am saying this he is not obito for god sake
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by miky617 View Post
    Guys!!!!!! I figured out who Tobi is!!!! This time, i'm sure of it, and once you see it, i'm sure all of you will get it!!! You ready? He is:

    So true.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The God View Post
    Madara stole Hashiramas DNA awoken the rinnegan and created zetsu with 1st hokages dna i think this is why the black zetsu can use wood techniques

    Madara also used some of his own DNA to make the zetsu and split the chakras of his own and Hashiramas into seperate ying and yangs, just so zetsu is stable (thats why zetsu has a black side and white side with seperate personalities

    Madara explains the plan to zetsu tells him to wait until the 1st is dead and then to teach nagato and to manipulate him so he can be ressurcted by the rinnegan technique

    Before madara dies he implants some of his consciousness into zetsu

    Madara then dies the zetsu takes his rinnegan gives it to an uzumaki (nagato)

    Zetsu eats corpses, found the dead uchiha (obito) ate him which then gives him the ability to read the corpses memories and create an exact copy (tobi)

    zetsu creates a copy clone of the dead body obito and before he makes the clone he splits madaras conscious out into the new clone of obito creating tobi

    but the new madara is not happy with this vessel and tries to get his own body back

    this may explain why tobi cant use susanoo and why kabuto didnt want to absorb him instead of sasuke as he knew he wasnt really an uchiha

    thtats my guess
    Nice..thinking about it..anybody ever see tobi disengage the sharingan like other Uchihas..? NO right is it because he has senju sells that sharingan doesnt take any effect on him...
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Liked the chapter
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    He's not Obito. I sense a huge plot twist! Woman's intuition!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    i bet 100$ that tobi is definitely NOT obito....
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by darkholds View Post
    i think tobi's dimentional jutsu is MS by nature..it is amasterful and advance application of kamui!!!
    Kamui and Tobi's space time jutsu are two completely different abilities.

    Kamui:

    1. Ranged attack which forms a space time barrier around an object and puts it into another dimension.

    2. Kakashi can only use it a few times before he's completely exhausted and the bigger the object he uses it on the more chakara it requires for him to use it.

    3. Kakashi does not have the ability to make himself intangible or warp himself/objects back and forth between dimensions.

    4. Thus, Kamui is highly specialized for one thing.

    Tobi's jutsu:

    1. Short range attack which shifts his body or objects between two dimensions.

    2. He has been using this technique 24/7 without showing any signs of a drain on his chakara.

    3. Tobi has not yet shown the ability of being able to use his space/time jutsu at long range.

    4. Thus, Tobi's jutsu is not really highly specialized, it's more along the lines of a general purpose time/space jutsu.


    As far as Tobi calling it 'Kamui,' I'm pretty sure it's no different than any other jutsu, where the word 'kamui' is some literal word that describes what the jutsu does. If Kakashi and Tobi could both shoot fire out of their asses, they would both call it flaming ass balls or something like that.

    When Tobi shouted 'kamui' at the same time as Kakashi and activated Mangekyo, I'm pretty sure he did so because he intended to use the same technique that Kakashi used in order to teleport something into the next dimension at long range.

    Kamui is probably the highly specialized jutsu which is unique to the MS that both Kakashi and Tobi obtained from Obito's Sharingan. However, Tobi's other space/time technique is probably completely independent of Obito's eye. He likely had it before he got Obito's eye, and I'm guessing it's the main technique of Izuna Uchiha.

    The reason for this logic is that space/time jutsu are not unique to Mangekyo Sharingan (Tobirama Senju, Minato) and Tobi's use of space time jutsu are far too liberal to be on the scale of MS abilities which pose a risk to the user. If his jutsu was from MS then he'd be blind by now, just as Kakashi is suffering from eye damage after using Kamui his last time.

    Lastly, I'm 99% sure that Tobi didn't actually get a chance to use Kamui before he got outsmarted by Kakashi and Naruto using a combo attack.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by squigles View Post
    Kamui and Tobi's space time jutsu are two completely different abilities......

    Lastly, I'm 99% sure that Tobi didn't actually get a chance to use Kamui before he got outsmarted by Kakashi and Naruto using a combo attack.
    I think the giant shurikens and chakra sealing rods was Tobi using Kamui. It is more advanced because Kakashi can only sent things to the other dimension but can't send things out of there, Tobi can however.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SerpentX View Post
    There are way too many plot holes for tobi to be obito.
    There are have to be holes for it to be a mystery. Every candidate has plot holes. Actually the many plot holes make it more likely its Obito. Just a guess but it would be a great way to leave enough doubt so that we still would debate even with the recent chapters.

    If it does turn out to be Obito I am sure there will be a big explanation.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by squigles View Post
    You need to take some reading comprehension classes. Tobi has not been using MS until this last chapter right at the end. Even then, he didn't really use it for any big jutsu. You're completely retarded @ english and you should re read what I posted again before you bother responding.
    Debating with you is like debating with a open oven, this whole time Tobi have been using MS genius. Kishi just have not show us his MS because it's the same design as Kakashi MS(which would have giving away that he have been using Kumui and have some connection to Obito) everytime he use tranportation jutsu everyone should know now (except for brain dead people like you) that Tobi was using MS sharingan to use Kamui. Are you the only person who do not see the connection between Kakashi left eye and Tobi right eye, let me try to explain it to you, so follow me if you can. Tobi can tranportant himself and everything he touch using the Kumui technique in his right eye to that other dimension, Kakashi can tranportant thing from a far but not hisself to that other dimension using Kumui technique in his left eye(meaning if Kakashi had Obito right eye instead he will be able to tranportant himself and Tobi will been able to transportant thing from a far) and if Obito would of live and release his MS or if Tobi is Obito and had both eye's he would of been able to do both Kumui technique, just like Sasuke can release Amatersu with one eye and extinguish and manipulate amaterasu with his other eye. What you still think Tobi can use tranportation jutsu because of his mask after the last chapter "man you are slow".
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Ok I have just found a new great theory where someone said that Tobi is an entity possesing different bodies.

    Now I would like to alter that.

    Tobi is Obito but he is being possesed by the Elder Son. This is where Orochimaru's body stealing trick originally came from. The Elder son did this to extend his life. But Obito is at the same time still alive which would result in the Elder Son having a bit of Obito in his personality along with all his memories which is why he is so bitter towards Kakashi.

    This is just a further guess but Naruto defeats Tobi by somehow removing the Elder Son from the body which finally kills him and allows Obito to come to the surface and we get a scene where Obito makes peace with Kakashi before Obito dies again.

    This would fill in the plot holes and still maintain the emotional impact. Plus it would connect him to both Kakashi and Naruto. The Elder son would view Naruto as the rebirth of his younger brother who he was so jealous of. Which would explain why he refuses to view Naruto as a threat to his plans, he is in denial that anyone like his brother is actually strong.

    It also sort of ties Kakashi's past further into the main story and his guilt comes into play.

    This would also restore Tobi to being the Emperor figure of Naruto with Pain as his Darth Vader.

    Plus this explains why he wears a mask, its becuase he has been through so many bodies.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SNaK3 View Post
    Dude just stfu...how much clearer do you want Kishi to make it for yo a$$ to accept that Tobi is Obito? :sy:
    Tobi says, that he got that sharingan eye during the fight by the bridge... where obito died, right?
    so he can not be obito...
     
         

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