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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    !!!!! I hope kishimoto won't be changing the topic in 599 so that the secret will be revealed in 600!!!! Anyways it's soooo exciting although I'm pretty sure it's obito!!!!!
     
         

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    its is going to be revealed on the 600th chapter
     
         

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    its is going to be revealed on the 600th chapter
    Source please.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Reasons that Tobi isn't Obito:

    Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504). There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.

    Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241 page 19). "Of course those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations are called trash... but those who don’t care about their companions are even worse than trash." Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for. him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obito’s body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isn’t really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.

    Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501 page 7). "Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?" It’s a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when, hypothetically, he wouldn’t have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been 15 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.

    Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8 ). The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.

    Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9). Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.

    Plothole Number 6: Minato would’ve figured it out (chapter 500-504). If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other. Obito was Minato’s own student and would have recognised his chakra, but he didn’t.

    Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2). "This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.

    Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter 462 page 14). Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.

    Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9). "This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.

    Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge. It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.

    THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL.

    Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito.

    Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.


    i predict that he is izuna kagami ( and father of obito perhaps) or some random new char and if so i predict reactions similar to when amon turned out to be a new char that didin't eppear in the previous seris. if you want someone who did the bad thing that we saw ebfore the bad guy papered watch scooby doo
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by -Haku Yuki- View Post
    Reasons that Tobi isn't Obito:

    Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504). There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.

    Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241 page 19). "Of course those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations are called trash... but those who don’t care about their companions are even worse than trash." Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for. him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obito’s body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isn’t really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.

    Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501 page 7). "Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?" It’s a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when, hypothetically, he wouldn’t have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been 15 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.

    Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8 ). The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.

    Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9). Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.

    Plothole Number 6: Minato would’ve figured it out (chapter 500-504). If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other. Obito was Minato’s own student and would have recognised his chakra, but he didn’t.

    Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2). "This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.

    Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter 462 page 14). Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.

    Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9). "This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.

    Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge. It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.

    THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL.

    Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito.

    Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.


    i predict that he is izuna kagami ( and father of obito perhaps) or some random new char and if so i predict reactions similar to when amon turned out to be a new char that didin't eppear in the previous seris. if you want someone who did the bad thing that we saw ebfore the bad guy papered watch scooby doo
    Dude that daz it, Love the facts above, Incontrovertible_ Now any1 else with abstract n possibly ludicrous thoughts that tobi cud b Obito??:noc:
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Kakashis gonna die? Where the **** did you hear that? O-o
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Kishi is such a tease... Watch the next issue be about sasuke...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluekev View Post
    Kishi is such a tease... Watch the next issue be about sasuke...
    Oh I really hope not!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by -Haku Yuki- View Post
    Reasons that Tobi isn't Obito:

    Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504). There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.

    Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241 page 19). "Of course those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations are called trash... but those who don’t care about their companions are even worse than trash." Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for. him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obito’s body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isn’t really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.

    Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501 page 7). "Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?" It’s a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when, hypothetically, he wouldn’t have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been 15 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.

    Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8 ). The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.

    Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9). Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.

    Plothole Number 6: Minato would’ve figured it out (chapter 500-504). If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other. Obito was Minato’s own student and would have recognised his chakra, but he didn’t.

    Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2). "This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.

    Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter 462 page 14). Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.

    Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9). "This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.

    Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge. It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.

    THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL.

    Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito.

    Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.


    i predict that he is izuna kagami ( and father of obito perhaps) or some random new char and if so i predict reactions similar to when amon turned out to be a new char that didin't eppear in the previous seris. if you want someone who did the bad thing that we saw ebfore the bad guy papered watch scooby doo

    WTF? Nagato isn't older than Minato nor is he older than Obito fool! Naruto got his name from the book Jiraya wrote which was inspired by Nagato, and at that time we clearly saw Minato's wife pregnant with their baby Naruto....go review your damn facts lol
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    When Sasuke fought Danzo, his three-tomoe Sharingan could use Izanagi. You need the Mangekyo Sharingan to use Izanagi BUT his Senju DNA allowed him to perform the ability using the regular Sharigan.
    Incorrect. You do not need Mangekyo Sharingan to use Izanagi or Izanami. They are baseline Uchiha abilities that have their own cost when used. It doesn't matter if you have normal sharingan, MS, EMS, or Rinnegan. The cost of using Izanagi or Izanami will always be the same - you lose sight in that eye.

    On top of that, you don't need Senju DNA to use either Izanagi or Izanami. Having Senju DNA only enhances the abilities, it does not enable them. With Tobi, Senju DNA allowed him to activate Izanagi for much longer than a minute. With Danzou, Senju DNA allowed him to implant 10 Sharingan in his arm as well as use Shisui's MS ability more often than once every 10 years.

    I'm also pretty sure that Senju DNA also increased the duration of each Izanagi activation for Danzou as well (I think baseline the ability only lasts for a few moments, not a full minute).

    The same is for Tobi. He has Senju DNA inside of him, and it allows him to use the Mangekyo Sharigan without actually ACTIVATING it.
    This is incorrect as well. Mangekyo Sharingan is required to use specific abilities, but having Senju DNA would not make it so he can activate it without activating it. That doesn't make any sense. Senju DNA would make any abilitiy he used with MS, more powerful.

    Kakashi will never have self transportations or be able to slip threw object, unless he get Obito other eye that Tobi have. Just like Tobi will never be able to transport object or people to the other dimension without touching them, unless he get Kakashi left eye(why don't your understand this). Kakashi have already master Kamui in his left MS eye, I mean when you can make just the rasangan disappear in Naruto hand from a far with perfect precision and had someone like Tobi totally fake out, I will have to say you might have Kamui down in limited time and try's compare to Tobi(Kakashi just need more chakra so he don't have to ration Kamui). Only thing left if he have not done it already or even can do it with his left MS eye, is to look at object or people and make them slip pass other object or people.
    It doesn't matter which eye each one of them have. Which eye doesn't decide which abilities the person can use. MS unlocks specific abilities, and the eye which activates an ability is no different than which had a person uses to activate an ability. It's the same difference as being left handed or right handed. It's no different than Kakashi using Raikiri with his right hand and Sasuke using Chidori with his left hand. They are the exact same ability and each ninja calls it something different and can manipulate it in different ways.

    The same goes for Ameterasu, Tsukuyomi (yeah, Tobi knows Tsukuyomi too), Susanoo, and Kamui. The only thing that is constant between all these different people using all these techniques is that they have their own style and capabilities with the technique.

    So while Kakashi has been using Kamui this while time, there is absolutely zero reason why Tobi couldn't use the same technique if he wanted to, unless he just hasn't figured out how to use it yet.

    Also, space time techniques are not limited ONLY to Sharingan users. Minato was not a sharingan user and he used space time techs, same goes with Tobirama Senju. So while MS sharingan can potentially activate space time techniques, it is not required. Very little is known about Izuna, and heavy speculation and evidence points to Tobi being Izuna. The fact that Tobi can use space/time techniques as well as he can signifies that he was capable of using them long before he acquired Obito's eye.

    i predict that he is izuna kagami ( and father of obito perhaps) or some random new char and if so i predict reactions similar to when amon turned out to be a new char that didin't eppear in the previous seris. if you want someone who did the bad thing that we saw ebfore the bad guy papered watch scooby doo
    Everything you've said up until your prediction is accurate and correct, kudos for taking the time to list those facts. However, there is no such person as Izuna Kagami. They are two different people and Izuna is Madara's brother. Kagami was a student of Tobirama Senju and a peer of Danzou. Izuna fits the personality of Tobi and is the most likely candidate for being Tobi because of his ties to Madara.

    Besides:
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WB7DXZSLwK...a+aka+tobi.jpg
     
         

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    Kishi plz make tobi obito!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or rin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
         

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    WTF? Nagato isn't older than Minato nor is he older than Obito fool! Naruto got his name from the book Jiraya wrote which was inspired by Nagato, and at that time we clearly saw Minato's wife pregnant with their baby Naruto....go review your damn facts lol
    you review your facts fool

    nagatao born in 2nd shinobi world war
    obito born shortly before 3rd shinobi world war
    naruto born 20 years after book is written jirya trained nagato in the second shinobi world war at this time minato is an acdemy student jirya leaves ame orphans trains minato and his team book already written years before.

    that means nagtao was already 15 atleast when minato was 10 and obitos parents maybe just got married ( or knocked up ) minato now 20 obito 13 third shinobi world war yahiko just died nagato is well over 15 as this is years later obito is younger then nagato nagtao had long already got his rinnegan and konan are in their late 30's by teh time part 2 begins minato would be into his early 30s maybe 35 kakashi ( same age as obito) would be 30 exactly.

    but my ages are off one thing is for sure obito is atleast 10 years younger then nagtao

    jirya was about 20 and nagato was 10 minato was about 5 during their training nagato is around his late 30's by part 2 kakashi early 30s same as obito if he lived
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

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    you review your facts fool

    nagatao born in 2nd shinobi world war
    obito born shortly before 3rd shinobi world war
    naruto born 20 years after book is written jirya trained nagato in the second shinobi world war at this time minato is an acdemy student jirya leaves ame orphans trains minato and his team book already written years before.

    that means nagtao was already 15 atleast when minato was 10 and obitos parents maybe just got married ( or knocked up ) minato now 20 obito 13 third shinobi world war yahiko just died nagato is well over 15 as this is years later obito is younger then nagato nagtao had long already got his rinnegan and konan are in their late 30's by teh time part 2 begins minato would be into his early 30s maybe 35 kakashi ( same age as obito) would be 30 exactly.

    but my ages are off one thing is for sure obito is atleast 10 years younger then nagtao

    jirya was about 20 and nagato was 10 minato was about 5 during their training nagato is around his late 30's by part 2 kakashi early 30s same as obito if he lived
    Bottom line is Tobi is Obito!!! And it will be proven come next week
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

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    WTFFFFFF are you smoking? Because I want some of that shyyyyyt lmao....it has yo ass talking straight nonsense! Jiraya was Mianato and Nagato's sensei, so how exactly did he manage to train BOTH around the same timeline?
    thats what i'm saying jirya returned to the leaf aftering training an atleast 13 year old nagato and trained minato who was 10 when he got out of the acdemy and minato was around 20 when he trained obito around 11 years old obito,

    so minato may or may not be the same age as nagto but obito sure as hell is younger then him
     
         

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    Bottom line is Tobi is Obito!!! And it will be proven come next week
    @ edit ok a little wager is in order

    if i'm correct and tobi isn't obito ( using his body doesn't count) you have to a post thread telling us all how your so guillble for believing such a retarded theory, if i'm wrong and he is the obito we know 100 % soul and everything i post a thread saying how retarded i am for not believing such a retarded theory.

    i have worse with another bet so thats as far as i go
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Look Obito age just don't fit and if Obito is Tobi, it will be a reach for Kishi to make the story make sense and for what Obito a character who was not all that great as a young ninja(Obito wasn't even on par with Kakashi as a Uchiha, you would never be able to say that about Madara, Izuna, Shisui, Itachi or Sasuke if they grew up with Kakashi) and Obito from the manga chapter seem to have less of a chance to turn to the darkside than Kakashi.

    But if Obito was Tobi the whole time; Kishi have to explain how real Madara knew him when he die 70 years or so ago(even Madara said he die not that long after he fought the first Hokage which was over 70 years ago). How Tobi gave Nagato the sharingan eye's(which than turn into the rinnigan), when Nagato is a little bit older than the 4th Hokage, making Tobi older than the 4th or real Madara being still around for atleast 40 more year after he fought the first Hokage. How someone like Obito can now be able to out smart and fool three of the smartest characters in Naruto manga(when it come to the 4th, Itachi and Kakashi) and Obito helping mentor Itachi, "Obito helping Itachi" a novice who couldn't be no more than 6 years older, help a genius and one of the best Uchiha in the history of the clan, what a joke that will be.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

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    Tobi has NOT been using the Mangekyo Sharingan until this chapter, guys.

    Instead he's been relying on his three-tomoe Sharingan to use his Space-Time abilities. I'll explain:

    When Sasuke fought Danzo, his three-tomoe Sharingan could use Izanagi. You need the Mangekyo Sharingan to use Izanagi BUT his Senju DNA allowed him to perform the ability using the regular Sharigan.

    The same is for Tobi. He has Senju DNA inside of him, and it allows him to use the Mangekyo Sharigan without actually ACTIVATING it. Another thing, the reason why he can teleport himself and Kakashi can't is because Tobi possess the right eye of Obito's Sharigan. Sasuke cast Amaterasu using his left eye and puts it out by using his right eye.

    Pay attention to this fact as this points out he real TRUTH. Tobi is only using ONE JUTSU. One to become intangible AND to suck up things. What if THAT'S the secondary ability of Obito's Sharingan.

    Tell me what you thing.
    You are totally wrong on the first point and one of the few in this forum who is totally right and agree with me on your second point.

    Tobi had MS this whole time and had been using it everytime he use his Timespace jutsu. Kishi just didn't show us because everyone would of knew he was not Madara, but someone who had a connection to Obito, that why he went out his way to reveal them side by side with their MS activated, to show that those eye's are a pair and each eye have a part of the MS abilitie power of Kamui. Why would all of the sudden Tobi need to show MS to transport if your theory is correct, Tobi didn't pull out any new MS abilitie when activated it. My theory is that the Senju cell make Tobi have no drawback to his MS eye with blindest, so he don't have to upgrade to EMS(that why Kakashi need to get some of those golden cells).

    Also you don't need MS or EMS to perform Izangi(Danzo reveal that because he didn't have MS), you just need to have Senju cells and a sharingan eye to sacrifice, it a forbidden technique just like Izana that Itachi perform, which you problemly only need a sharingan. You might be able to perfect Izangi and Izana or combine them if you have MS, EMS or Rinnigan.
     
         
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    Officially proof that Kakashi and Guy think that Tobi is Obito..!





     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    i dont get why they only use the first hokages cells, wasnt tobirama a senju aswell or maybe the first hokage inherited the best bloodline limit :shrug:

    also orochimaru has a hench chakra and injecting his cells has the same effect as first hokages as in its hard to control i wonder if orochimaru is a senju relative that would be cool

    i actually wouldnt mind if the manga went back to sasuke :noc:

    i wanna know wht the 3rd sacred place to learn senjutsu is if its a slug good tsunade needs an upgrade cos currently she sucks not gd enough to b a sannin

    it might be hiruzens ape tho

    but yh cant wait either way
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by The God View Post
    i dont get why they only use the first hokages cells, wasnt tobirama a senju aswell or maybe the first hokage inherited the best bloodline limit :shrug:

    also orochimaru has a hench chakra and injecting his cells has the same effect as first hokages as in its hard to control i wonder if orochimaru is a senju relative that would be cool

    i actually wouldnt mind if the manga went back to sasuke :noc:

    i wanna know wht the 3rd sacred place to learn senjutsu is if its a slug good tsunade needs an upgrade cos currently she sucks not gd enough to b a sannin

    it might be hiruzens ape tho

    but yh cant wait either way
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Haku Yuki- View Post
    Reasons that Tobi isn't Obito:

    Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504). There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.

    Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241 page 19). "Of course those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations are called trash... but those who don’t care about their companions are even worse than trash." Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for. him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obito’s body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isn’t really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.

    Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501 page 7). "Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?" It’s a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when, hypothetically, he wouldn’t have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been 15 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.

    Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8 ). The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.

    Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9). Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.

    Plothole Number 6: Minato would’ve figured it out (chapter 500-504). If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other. Obito was Minato’s own student and would have recognised his chakra, but he didn’t.

    Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2). "This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.

    Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter 462 page 14). Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.

    Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9). "This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.

    Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge. It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.

    THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL.

    Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito.

    Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.


    i predict that he is izuna kagami ( and father of obito perhaps) or some random new char and if so i predict reactions similar to when amon turned out to be a new char that didin't eppear in the previous seris. if you want someone who did the bad thing that we saw ebfore the bad guy papered watch scooby doo
    I agree with every thing you text, but you left out one thing, a young novice Uchiha, who wasn't even on par with Kakashi as young boy's, is now more powerful and able to fool the smartest ninja in Naruto manga(the 4th, Itachi and Kakashi in my eye's Tobi being Obito make them look bad) and Obito is only 6 years older than one of the greatest young genius Uchiha ever in Itachi and he is his mentor "yea right" only Naruto can make those type of jump's because he is a power up. Naruto is half Senju, half Uzumaki, can perform sage mode because he have a large amount of chakra and have the 9 tail power on top of all that, so really Naruto was just a underachiever with all the power up he was born with(people should be using his cells to power up).
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Whether or not Tobi is or isn't Obito, there is going to be a hopefully long explanation of who he is next week.

    That or Kishimoto will troll us with Sauske's discovery or something else like it.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Haku Yuki- View Post
    Reasons that Tobi isn't Obito:

    Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504). There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.

    Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241 page 19). "Of course those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations are called trash... but those who don’t care about their companions are even worse than trash." Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for. him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obito’s body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isn’t really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.

    Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501 page 7). "Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?" It’s a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when, hypothetically, he wouldn’t have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been 15 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.

    Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8 ). The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.

    Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9). Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.

    Plothole Number 6: Minato would’ve figured it out (chapter 500-504). If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other. Obito was Minato’s own student and would have recognised his chakra, but he didn’t.

    Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2). "This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.

    Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter 462 page 14). Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.

    Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9). "This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.

    Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge. It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.

    THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL.

    Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito.

    Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.


    i predict that he is izuna kagami ( and father of obito perhaps) or some random new char and if so i predict reactions similar to when amon turned out to be a new char that didin't eppear in the previous seris. if you want someone who did the bad thing that we saw ebfore the bad guy papered watch scooby doo
    Everyone please stand up and give this person a big round of applause. That is by far the most logic i've seen on these forums in months. Thank you for reviving my hope for in humanity. While I'll be spamming your Rep+ button, feel free to have as many :ice: as you want. The only thing I would add is the Elder Son of the So6P as a candidate. But don't feel bad. I understand how many mentally handicapped idiots roam these threads daily that apparently don't read the manga.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    That was EPIC!!!

    Next chap is going to be a bunch of flashbacks of obito, while kakashi is unconcious
    (after using kumi he collapsed)

    And Tobi will eventually say "knowing my identity means nothing" And does something new like activate the gedo statue or something.

    But I hope like hell kishi doesnt jump to the 5 kages battle with Madara!!!!!

    That would leaves us hanging!!! lol That would blow the hell outta me!
     
         

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    Guys!!!!!! I figured out who Tobi is!!!! This time, i'm sure of it, and once you see it, i'm sure all of you will get it!!! You ready? He is:

    Just thought I'd bring this up again :D
     
         

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