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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by -Haku Yuki- View Post
    Reasons that Tobi isn't Obito:

    Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504). There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.

    Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241 page 19). "Of course those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations are called trash... but those who don’t care about their companions are even worse than trash." Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for. him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obito’s body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isn’t really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.

    Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501 page 7). "Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?" It’s a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when, hypothetically, he wouldn’t have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been 15 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.

    Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8 ). The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.

    Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9). Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.

    Plothole Number 6: Minato would’ve figured it out (chapter 500-504). If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other. Obito was Minato’s own student and would have recognised his chakra, but he didn’t.

    Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2). "This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.

    Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter 462 page 14). Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.

    Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9). "This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.

    Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge. It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.

    THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL.

    Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito.

    Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.


    i predict that he is izuna kagami ( and father of obito perhaps) or some random new char and if so i predict reactions similar to when amon turned out to be a new char that didin't eppear in the previous seris. if you want someone who did the bad thing that we saw ebfore the bad guy papered watch scooby doo
    This is Gold. Makes Sense. Im betting on Kagami or Izuna or someone random we havent met yet.

    Possibly Ramen Guy..
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    good chapter 5/5 but I think kishi is going to flashback to sasuke and oro or madara and 5 kage and then have tobi revealed in Chapter 600
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    theyre saying that it is izuna!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!im referring to the spoiler in the interview of kishi....no!!!!!!why izuna,,i seriosly dont get it....if its izuna why did he need to pick obitos' eye,why did he mention about forgetting the faces part to guy and kakashi....i think this spoiler is hoax,just to confuse us all!!!!IT IS OBITO!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by rahulrevandkar View Post
    certainly tobi is not uchiha , but how did he performed izanagi ? , the forbidden technique for uchihas that requires abilities of both uchihas & senjus
    If Tobi used Izanagi then his eye would already be gone. Why are people saying he used izanagi?

    IM not saying your wrong more asking a question of when he used izanagi
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DELTA704 View Post
    If Tobi used Izanagi then his eye would already be gone. Why are people saying he used izanagi?

    IM not saying your wrong more asking a question of when he used izanagi
    He used Izanagi when he was fighting konan. Konan made an explosion that would last 10 mins, and he could only stay transparent for 5 mins. So he used Izanagi to stay alive for the last 5 mins.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Just to let y'all know, that interview with Kishi was a fake, just a ploy to get more traffic on their site. Half the links on it lead to spam and more spam.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DELTA704 View Post
    If Tobi used Izanagi then his eye would already be gone. Why are people saying he used izanagi?

    IM not saying your wrong more asking a question of when he used izanagi
    Have you watched the show or read the manga? It helps lol
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    For those who think Tobi is Obito go back and read the manga all over again because if you did you would know its not him. here are some proven facts, first off !! when Itachi found Tobi when he claim he was Madara his hair was long and when he was controlling the 3rd Mizukage his hair was long also, 2nd he told Naruto he knew the 1st personally and he knows to much about the sage of the six path. Another reason why its not Obito because if it was Obito when he fought the 4th Hokage he would of known Minato would teleport to his kuni, that his teacher you guys really think Kishi would make it that obvious he throwing you guys off its someone else. Here my theory Zetsu is able to be at so many places at once and able to sense anyone because he land itself thanks to the 1st DNA i believe Madara created Zetsu and during the 3rd great ninja war Zetsu stood behind watched the fight between kakashi and obito and the hidden rock ninjas and manage to take Obito eye and gave it to Tobi, Tobi did say he likes to stack up on good eyes. Honestly i believe its Madara brother he would be the only uchia that would have a grudge against his clan for turning there backs on Madara and the only uchia with hair like Madara also he told sasuke Madara brother gave his eyes to him he didnt take it from him. I could be wrong but its better than believing its Obito it wouldnt make any sense.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    If you guys like Naruto then you guys are going to love Noblesse i really recommend it
     
         

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    Re: !!!SPOILER!!!Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Loeasy View Post
    While visiting Japan for business,me(Victor Sleever) and Mike Birnton, from Viz Media, decided to spare some of our time and go to Comic Market 78, the biggest manga festival in Japan, something that happens only twice a year. The festival lasts for 3 days, from 23 august to 25 august.
    Hello everyone, I've been reading the forums for a while but I've just signed up after reading this post. It's a fake and let me tell you why. This guy says he went to Comic Market 78, but the latest Comic market is 82, which was held on August 10, 11 and 12. Comic Market 78 was 2 years ago.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    The identity of tobi

    The mask falls Tobi's face in the dimension of Kamui as he returns to the real world and the Naruto clone dissipates in this dimension

    Tobi tries to get up, clutching his face with his back to the alliance. Naruto triumphant look forward to seeing your face.

    Kurama-Naruto: No mask to hide

    Kakashi: Obito .... .... show yourself.

    As Tobi turns to the alliance shows her wrinkled face, an eye and an eye Sharingan Rinnegan.

    Gai: Kakashi ...! Do not think that's Obito.

    Kakashi: How is this possible ... died during the war?

    Naruto: Who is this guy?

    Kakashi: Obito's dad is ... Ka ..

    Kagami: My name is Kagami and clearly not dead Kakashi.

    Kakashi: But ... that's Obito's right eye, I'm sure that ... as it is ...

    Kagami: I guess if I'm going to explain how I found my son's eye, should start from the beginning.

    Kakashi and Gai As you know, I was an elite uchiha ninja, Tobirama trained with me and was on track to become a senior officer in the uchiha clan. I was born in a family
    with just my mother, she never talked about my father, no one did, I assumed he had died in battle during the formation of the Leaf Village.

    When I was young Tobirama and Hashirama took a special interest in me, Hashirama put me under the guidance of Tobirama, at that time I thought it was a privilege but I would realize that there were more reasons behind this.

    A couple of days before the death of Tobirama, this drew me aside and told me about my father, Madara.

    Kakashi: You are the son of Madara?!

    Kurama-Naruto: I see, this makes sense.

    Kagami: Kyubi let me finish.

    Tobirama trusted not to betray him, told me that during the battle between Hashirama and Madara, both sides were running out, they both knew that if this continued both die.

    Tobirama was still young at that time, and had not advanced their jutsu E / T enough to be the leader of the sheet, so my father decided to make a sacrifice.

    Flashback ** **

    Madara: Hashirama if we continue, both die, and leaf fall, however I want my clan lead the Leaf Village, ninjas do not want to be substitutable for another hidden village.

    Hahirama: What are you saying?

    Madara: disappear, I will not put in pie in the sheet again, you can go back and lead the village, while not bring harm to my clan, I said that if I discarded back, wanting to bring peace.

    Hashirama: As I can trust you?

    Madara: My wife just had our first child, we named Kagami, I trust, while my son is not betrayed by the Senju clan, not back.

    Flashback Ends ** **

    Kagami: Tobirama died a few days later in an ambush attack, leaving Hiruzen in charge. I continued to live in the village of respect for my father and the sacrifice he made ​​until my son Obito died and that's when I had the help of Danzou to fake my death.

    Gai: Why would you do that?

    Kagami: There had been rumors that my father was still alive. I needed to find, after losing my son, was named Hokage Namikaze Minato, Kakashi became a hero, and my son was left with nothing. Danzou agreed to help on one condition.

    Kakashi: That condition was that?

    Kagami:'ll get to that soon.

    After leaving the village was able to locate my father, he was old and his body was not in condition to fight.

    He was angry with me for leaving the village, told him about Obito and introduced me to Zetsu, who was able to bring me Obito's body, where I caught her eye.
    One thing that the legend was uchiha never had a father who took his son's eyes. The MS was activated immediately, the pulsating excitement of receiving his eye was enough to activate it, luckily for you I got the eye Kamui was for defense and you had the offensive.

    I just needed my father taught me one thing, how to control the Kyuubi.

    Gai: The condition ....

    Kakashi: It was that ....

    Kagami: The condition that the root help Uchiha coup in the Leaf Village, little did I know that the end game had really planned Danzou.

    WARNING THIS IS A SPOILER PREDICTION ONLY THE MANGA AND VIDEO WELL BE PUBLISHED OR LEAVE NARUTO MANGA 599
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveEmotions View Post
    The identity of tobi

    The mask falls Tobi's face in the dimension of Kamui as he returns to the real world and the Naruto clone dissipates in this dimension

    Tobi tries to get up, clutching his face with his back to the alliance. Naruto triumphant look forward to seeing your face.

    Kurama-Naruto: No mask to hide

    Kakashi: Obito .... .... show yourself.

    As Tobi turns to the alliance shows her wrinkled face, an eye and an eye Sharingan Rinnegan.

    Gai: Kakashi ...! Do not think that's Obito.

    Kakashi: How is this possible ... died during the war?

    Naruto: Who is this guy?

    Kakashi: Obito's dad is ... Ka ..

    Kagami: My name is Kagami and clearly not dead Kakashi.

    Kakashi: But ... that's Obito's right eye, I'm sure that ... as it is ...

    Kagami: I guess if I'm going to explain how I found my son's eye, should start from the beginning.

    Kakashi and Gai As you know, I was an elite uchiha ninja, Tobirama trained with me and was on track to become a senior officer in the uchiha clan. I was born in a family
    with just my mother, she never talked about my father, no one did, I assumed he had died in battle during the formation of the Leaf Village.

    When I was young Tobirama and Hashirama took a special interest in me, Hashirama put me under the guidance of Tobirama, at that time I thought it was a privilege but I would realize that there were more reasons behind this.

    A couple of days before the death of Tobirama, this drew me aside and told me about my father, Madara.

    Kakashi: You are the son of Madara?!

    Kurama-Naruto: I see, this makes sense.

    Kagami: Kyubi let me finish.

    Tobirama trusted not to betray him, told me that during the battle between Hashirama and Madara, both sides were running out, they both knew that if this continued both die.

    Tobirama was still young at that time, and had not advanced their jutsu E / T enough to be the leader of the sheet, so my father decided to make a sacrifice.

    Flashback ** **

    Madara: Hashirama if we continue, both die, and leaf fall, however I want my clan lead the Leaf Village, ninjas do not want to be substitutable for another hidden village.

    Hahirama: What are you saying?

    Madara: disappear, I will not put in pie in the sheet again, you can go back and lead the village, while not bring harm to my clan, I said that if I discarded back, wanting to bring peace.

    Hashirama: As I can trust you?

    Madara: My wife just had our first child, we named Kagami, I trust, while my son is not betrayed by the Senju clan, not back.

    Flashback Ends ** **

    Kagami: Tobirama died a few days later in an ambush attack, leaving Hiruzen in charge. I continued to live in the village of respect for my father and the sacrifice he made ​​until my son Obito died and that's when I had the help of Danzou to fake my death.

    Gai: Why would you do that?

    Kagami: There had been rumors that my father was still alive. I needed to find, after losing my son, was named Hokage Namikaze Minato, Kakashi became a hero, and my son was left with nothing. Danzou agreed to help on one condition.

    Kakashi: That condition was that?

    Kagami:'ll get to that soon.

    After leaving the village was able to locate my father, he was old and his body was not in condition to fight.

    He was angry with me for leaving the village, told him about Obito and introduced me to Zetsu, who was able to bring me Obito's body, where I caught her eye.
    One thing that the legend was uchiha never had a father who took his son's eyes. The MS was activated immediately, the pulsating excitement of receiving his eye was enough to activate it, luckily for you I got the eye Kamui was for defense and you had the offensive.

    I just needed my father taught me one thing, how to control the Kyuubi.

    Gai: The condition ....

    Kakashi: It was that ....

    Kagami: The condition that the root help Uchiha coup in the Leaf Village, little did I know that the end game had really planned Danzou.

    WARNING THIS IS A SPOILER PREDICTION ONLY THE MANGA AND VIDEO WELL BE PUBLISHED OR LEAVE NARUTO MANGA 599
    This is freaking cool!
     
         

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    This is freaking cool!
    thanks and welcome to nb
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Originally Posted by PositiveEmotions View Post
    The identity of tobi

    The mask falls Tobi's face in the dimension of Kamui as he returns to the real world and the Naruto clone dissipates in this dimension

    Tobi tries to get up, clutching his face with his back to the alliance. Naruto triumphant look forward to seeing your face.
    yeee this make sense
    could be possible!?
    maybe baby
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUZIS View Post
    yeee this make sense
    could be possible!?
    maybe baby
    I is obito but i could be wrong
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    tobi is mizuki after gettign a beating from genin naruto he stole obitos sharingan and become teh biggest bad guy out there .

    just getting in some last second trolling, tobi is aang from the last airbender
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    I bet 5 kumi that next chapter, kishimoto will troll us again. Any takers?
     
         

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    Kishi better not troll us
     
         

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    Kishi better not troll us
    PUH-LEEZE. You know hes gonna drag this out and troll us as long as possible. >=/ Its his style.
     
         

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    PUH-LEEZE. You know hes gonna drag this out and troll us as long as possible. >=/ Its his style.
    If he does ima rape his wife
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    If Tobi is Orbito is see a Naruto talk no jutsu and Kakashi gaining EMS. Him gaining all the versions of Kamui.

    Chapter was epic. I will never get tired of seeing Naruto using bijuu mode it reminds me of the final getsuga from bleach. The whole power of the kyuubi compressed into one person. Epic destruction. The only way he can get more power is if he uses safe mode in bijuu mode. I will die happy

    Also Bee is disappointing me very much. Why isn't he in the compressed bijuu mode like Naruto throwing TBB's?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by niblack89 View Post
    If Tobi is Orbito is see a Naruto talk no jutsu and Kakashi gaining EMS. Him gaining all the versions of Kamui.

    Chapter was epic. I will never get tired of seeing Naruto using bijuu mode it reminds me of the final getsuga from bleach. The whole power of the kyuubi compressed into one person. Epic destruction. The only way he can get more power is if he uses safe mode in bijuu mode. I will die happy

    Also Bee is disappointing me very much. Why isn't he in the compressed bijuu mode like Naruto throwing TBB's?
    1- Agreed
    2- safe mode? i think you meant sage
    3- Epic siggy
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasha29 View Post
    I don't know what manga you have been reading, but it's not Naruto. The Toad never told Jiraiya who the prophecy child was. Jiraiya thought it was Nagato when he seen he had the rinnigan, that why he train him, Yahiko and Konan. Than when he heard they die, Jiraiya figure it was Minato(I don't think he wouldn't just look pass Minato with the talent he had, if he train him first). Than when Minato die, he thought the prophecy child prediction might of been wrong, until he fought agaist Pain Jutsu and he knew the prophecy child was Naruto. Also he started written the book when he was trainning Nagato and the other as kids. Years later when Naruto was born it was publish. One more thing Orochmara wasn't near becoming evil back then when they fough Hanzo, so that a long time ago. The way I see it from following the manga, Nagato is a atleast a couple years older or the same age as Minato.
    That's my point... Nagato isn't that much older than Minato..
    Naruto's name came from "Tales of Gutsy Ninja" which should mean that the book was published before Naruto was born. It was before Naruto was born when they decided to make jiraiya his godfather
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Heres what i think

    The person itachi meet was in fact madara. However itachi did not know of tobi but only recognise the mask that's why he consider tobi to be madara...if you remember when tobi was talking to sasuke and sasuke used amaterasu on tobi...tobi even said if itachi knew who he was he would have already been dead. That because tobi was obito an he would have lost to itachi.

    Why the 4th said it was madara.

    The only reason the 4th said it was madara was because only madara was the ninja who was able to summon the fox..so if obito was found by madara n madara placed the white zetsu on his crushed side an train him and gave him the scroll for the fox contract dat why the 4th considered him to be madara because of the fox.

    why would madara act all stupid and funny with diadara n y would zetsu say tobi is a good boy when it was only dem two?

    And nagato only though tobi was madara because of the mask
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions

    Don't expect the for Bijuu mode to be the limit for Naruto's progression. I'm pretty sure that the earlier parts of this fight in which naruto had a mind meld with the other tailed beasts were meant to set up another even more powerful mode than the current kurama assisted mode. I think that Tobi will probably just barely survive long enough to awaken the Jyubi and will attempt to become it's jinkurikki. He will ultimately fail because Naruto will use the trust that all the Bijuu have in him, and that will allow him to wield that power.
    I predict we'll see full on "sage of 6 paths mode" naruto debut with the eyes of the ten tails and full Creation/Destruction techs similar to izanagi and izanami. This will be Naruto's ultimate final form.
     
         

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