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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    Woah woah woah, don't talk behind my back and say I "overate him", go look at my "What ninja rank do you think Zabuza is" 12 people voted A-rank, 10 voted between A-S rank, and 7 voted S-rank......yea haha definetly high jounin even to other people.

    Also Guy in part 1, his stats were the same according to the other db's, he could beat Mei in part 1 with his gates, he was a very high jounin....
    But you do overrate him considering all the threads you make about him. How exactly am I talking behind your back if you can read my posts as well as anyone else:shrug:? It is common knowledge that you overrate Zabuza.
     
         

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    I actually had him in mid jounin tier before but than I moved him up because of Shaneeeyy or whatever his name is. The reason why I put him up there is because I think he is above Kabuto who fought Tsunade and was stated to be on Kakashi's level. I do think that Shaneeyy guy overrates Zabuza but I did him a favour. The thing is, Zabuza had quite a fearsome reputation and even in part 2, was highly valued.
    However, reputation is nothing but reputation. Going by his feats, he cannot compare to the other characters in the High Jounin tier. I don't recall him being hyped anywhere after the timeskip; of course, in the war he was perceived as extremely dangerous, since the army was full of low-life Shinobi. Kabuto before the timeskip shouldn't be underestimated. Personally, I believe that he's very well capable of defeating Zabuza. His medic skills are extremely impressive and were even praised by Tsunade; that alone speaks volumes of his talent. He was putting an entire stadium to sleep, his overall stats are higher than those of Zabuza and his intelligence is outstanding. There's a reason he was compared to Kakashi. However, even though Jiraiya made that comment, I doubt that Kabuto could actually defeat Kakashi. The latter has the better Shinobi traits and, on top of that, the Sharingan. But my opinion remains: Zabuza should be moved down one tier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    Yes I already put him at low jounin tier, either you missed it or I accidentally deleted him. I do agree he belongs to that tier but I think the likes of Temari, Neji can beat him. KN0 Naruto overwhelmed him and 2 tomoe Sasuke managed to keep up with him. Although by hype, Zabuza said Kakashi would not have been able to beat Haku even if Kakashi was able to beat Zabuza. Yeah we are in agreement.
    Seems like we're pretty much in agreement about Haku indeed, but I must disagree with the bold part. Of course, the likes of Neji and Temari could defeat him, but especially against Haku a lot comes down to the match-up. At the point Sasuke awaked his two tomoe Sharingan, Haku had already slowed down. [1] [2] Moreover, being overwhelmed by Kyuubi's Chakra is no shame. Still, if Haku went for the kill, he could've already taken them out at the very beginning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    Well I think 2 tomoe Sasuke put up a good fight against Oro, better than Anko. Remember how Yamato and Kakashi said that a person with two elements is considered jounin level. Well Sasuke had them. Sasuke had incredible skill and combine that with his intelligence, sharingan and Uchiha eliteness deserves at least very high chunin or very low jounin status. Now give him an extra tomoe, a cursed seal and then power up that cursed seal some more, you get a formidable mid jounin level opponent. Sasuke would wipe the floor with Temari, Neji, Haku with mid difficulty if we talk about the one who battled Naruto at the VoTE. Even compared to some mid jounin tier opponents, I believe Sasuke can likely beat them due to his speed, cursed mark, sharingan precog, versatility, etc.
    I agree with all that, but in my opinion that still does not make him a mid Jounin. Low Jounin of course, but as I said, the characters in the Mid Jounin tier displayed a certain superiority. Sasuke was extremely strong and skilled, but moved around the level of the Oto Quartet and was more than once compared to them. [3] [4] [5]

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    Now we'll talk about Naruto. He was kind of meh without the Kyubbi cloak and would likely lose to most of the top tier rookies. On the other hand, the Kyubbi cloak itself makes him haxed, due to the regenerative abilities combined with his Uzumaki healing abilities. His speed is vastly increased and the Kyubbi chakra cloak shields him from most attacks. Now add a tail to that and his speed, stamina, strength and power increases to a whole new level. With all that raw power, he can overwhelm many jounin level ninjas. Sure he was not jounin level all the time only on special occasions, but I am talking about Naruto at his highest level during part 1. Don't forget that Naruto healed from a chidori to the lung, not many jounin have a move as powerful as chidori nor do they have the same speed and sharingan precog like Sasuke. For this reason, Naruto can likely overwhelm many jounin level ninjas due to his hax. May I remind you that Naruto overwhelmed Haku with just KN0 let alone KN1. Kakashi himself was baffled at the power during the VoTE battle because he himself hadn't seen such a high level battle in a long time.
    As I said, Naruto's Kyuubi Chakra is always strongly restricted. Of course, Kyuubi no Koromo was already overpowered with just one tail, but usually the Chakra only leaks out to that degree when Naruto's emotions boil up, which would only happen against a small part of his enemies. Furthermore, Kakashi did not even witness the actual fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    I have three versions of Rock Lee, one low chunin (with weights), one high chunin (without weights) and one mid jounin (gates). For this reason I'm leaving him here because the gates are meant to be haxed. I don't see how Baki, Asuma and Anko can beat him if he starts with all of them open at once.
    Like I said at the very beginning, quite confusing. In my opinion it's unnecessary to create three Lees, one with weights, one without and one with Hachimon. The gates are impressive indeed, but in my opinion he's more of a low Jounin rather than a mid Jounin. I don't see Anko defeating Haku either, yet he's a tier below her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    Yes chunin exams Choji is low chunin level but with those pills he is moved up a tier. May I remind you that Shikamaru himself said that Choji was stronger than himself. Also he soloed a member of the Sound Four. He has sheer raw power, great stamina and amazing physical strength.

    As for Kiba, well I'm leaving him here for now because even though I don't like him or Choji, I think they are both underrated. I don't really know much about Genyumaru but I might add him but probably genin level lol.
    As for Choji, my opinion still differs from yours. The pills increase his power, but their effects don't last long enough and pose too much of a risk. He's simply not skilled enough to be considered a High Chuunin in my eyes. Theoretically he's not even a Chuunin, since he failed at the Chuunin exams. Placing him inside the same tier as CA Sasuke and CA Neji simply seems wrong. As for soloing Jirobo; not just that he's the weakest of them four, Choji did in fact not solo him. Without the help of the others, Jirobo's Chakra absorbing earth-dome would've likely defeated Choji already, if not weakened him more than it did in the end.
     
         

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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    Nice thread. Kabuto was said by oro and jiraiya that his power was the same as kakashi,and kimi was oro's strongest sevant,so he should definately be higher than part 1 kakashi and guy. Nice thread.
     
         

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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    That is a very good list. Nice job
     
         

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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    But you do overrate him considering all the threads you make about him. How exactly am I talking behind your back if you can read my posts as well as anyone else:shrug:? It is common knowledge that you overrate Zabuza.
    Me making a lot of threads show I'm a fan not an overrater(common knowledge).

    You are talking behind my back because It was luck I came back and saw you talk about me to ANOTHER person, which is talking behind my back because I didn't know(common knowledge).

    Actually, mostly everybody underates him, however I don't so it looks like I am even though I'm not, I name facts to prove my points.
     
         
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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    However, reputation is nothing but reputation. Going by his feats, he cannot compare to the other characters in the High Jounin tier. I don't recall him being hyped anywhere after the timeskip; of course, in the war he was perceived as extremely dangerous, since the army was full of low-life Shinobi. Kabuto before the timeskip shouldn't be underestimated. Personally, I believe that he's very well capable of defeating Zabuza. His medic skills are extremely impressive and were even praised by Tsunade; that alone speaks volumes of his talent. He was putting an entire stadium to sleep, his overall stats are higher than those of Zabuza and his intelligence is outstanding. There's a reason he was compared to Kakashi. However, even though Jiraiya made that comment, I doubt that Kabuto could actually defeat Kakashi. The latter has the better Shinobi traits and, on top of that, the Sharingan. But my opinion remains: Zabuza should be moved down one tier.
    I do agree that Kabuto can be underrated at times. Some people have a bad habit of underrating medic ninjas such as Tsunade and her student as well as Kabuto. People seem to underestimate current Kabuto as well. I don't know if he can beat Zabuza though since in the mist, Kabuto's reflexes will be significantly reduced and Zabuza has better taijutsu as well. I don't know if part 1 Kabuto had water style or not but I guess he can counter Zabuza's. Zabuza also had a pretty good stamina allowing him to create multiple water clones in a battle. Kakashi on the other hand ran out of chakra faster than Zabuza. Apparently Zabuza couldn't hit Kakashi because of Haku's death. At least that is what Shaneyy told me so correct me if I am wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    Seems like we're pretty much in agreement about Haku indeed, but I must disagree with the bold part. Of course, the likes of Neji and Temari could defeat him, but especially against Haku a lot comes down to the match-up. At the point Sasuke awaked his two tomoe Sharingan, Haku had already slowed down. [1] [2] Moreover, being overwhelmed by Kyuubi's Chakra is no shame. Still, if Haku went for the kill, he could've already taken them out at the very beginning.
    I guess I agree with your assessment of Haku although his crystal ice mirrors was very chakra taxing so comparing Edo Haku to alive Haku isn't fair. Edo Haku has potential to be mid or even high jounin tier although I leave part 1 Haku at low jounin tier.
    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    I agree with all that, but in my opinion that still does not make him a mid Jounin. Low Jounin of course, but as I said, the characters in the Mid Jounin tier displayed a certain superiority. Sasuke was extremely strong and skilled, but moved around the level of the Oto Quartet and was more than once compared to them. [3] [4] [5]
    I personally think Sasuke with CS2 was superior to all four in a 1 VS 1. Tayuya and Kidomaru though would give him a run for the money. The same can be said of Naruto and Rock Lee but both of them have a lot of raw power although lacking in other ninja skills.
    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    As I said, Naruto's Kyuubi Chakra is always strongly restricted. Of course, Kyuubi no Koromo was already overpowered with just one tail, but usually the Chakra only leaks out to that degree when Naruto's emotions boil up, which would only happen against a small part of his enemies. Furthermore, Kakashi did not even witness the actual fight.
    I have different versions of Naruto and Sasuke for the sole reason of comparing the more powerful versions with the weaker ones. I took an assessment of one tailed Naruto even though usually he is around chunin level but during VS threads, people take his Kyubbi cloak into account.
    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    Like I said at the very beginning, quite confusing. In my opinion it's unnecessary to create three Lees, one with weights, one without and one with Hachimon. The gates are impressive indeed, but in my opinion he's more of a low Jounin rather than a mid Jounin. I don't see Anko defeating Haku either, yet he's a tier below her.
    True, I would move her down a tier instead of moving Haku up as well. She was not very impressive and apparently, the data book puts her intelligence to be on par with the likes of Kiba's and Choji's. I wonder how she made it to jounin.
    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    As for Choji, my opinion still differs from yours. The pills increase his power, but their effects don't last long enough and pose too much of a risk. He's simply not skilled enough to be considered a High Chuunin in my eyes. Theoretically he's not even a Chuunin, since he failed at the Chuunin exams. Placing him inside the same tier as CA Sasuke and CA Neji simply seems wrong. As for soloing Jirobo; not just that he's the weakest of them four, Choji did in fact not solo him. Without the help of the others, Jirobo's Chakra absorbing earth-dome would've likely defeated Choji already, if not weakened him more than it did in the end.
    Do you think CE Sasuke and CE Neji could defeat SRA Choji with his pills? Choji can become fat and start destroying a huge portion of the land scape. He is like a one man army. Also Jirobo's chakra dome would have soloed everyone in it, this does not mean he is a high jounin level ninja even though theoretically he could have pulled off a feat much higher than what any jounin in the manga had done.
     
         

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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    No.... Some are just crazy wrong, but you did put in a lot of work. +rep
     
         

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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    I do agree that Kabuto can be underrated at times. Some people have a bad habit of underrating medic ninjas such as Tsunade and her student as well as Kabuto. People seem to underestimate current Kabuto as well. I don't know if he can beat Zabuza though since in the mist, Kabuto's reflexes will be significantly reduced and Zabuza has better taijutsu as well. I don't know if part 1 Kabuto had water style or not but I guess he can counter Zabuza's. Zabuza also had a pretty good stamina allowing him to create multiple water clones in a battle. Kakashi on the other hand ran out of chakra faster than Zabuza. Apparently Zabuza couldn't hit Kakashi because of Haku's death. At least that is what Shaneyy told me so correct me if I am wrong.
    The gap in their Taijutsu is not that significant. Kabuto even kept up with Tsunade for a while and managed to land a blow on her. His medical skills shouldn't be disregarded, either. He might be even able to summon snakes. I'm not quite sure if he managed to pull of that feat on his own, or if it was due to the seal on Orochimaru's arm. All in all, putting Zabuza a tier below Kabuto doesn't seem wrong to me. Kabuto simply is a genius. Just look at his skills as a spy at young age, or his medical skills when he was a child. That's true talent, and in my opinion more impressive than Zabuza. As for Kakashi, I don't know that for sure. All I know is that, if it wasn't for Haku, Zabuza would've been killed by Kakashi's Raikiri.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    I guess I agree with your assessment of Haku although his crystal ice mirrors was very chakra taxing so comparing Edo Haku to alive Haku isn't fair. Edo Haku has potential to be mid or even high jounin tier although I leave part 1 Haku at low jounin tier.
    I didn't want you to change his position, nor did I compare his alive-version to his Edo-version. The Low Jounin tier suits him quite well. Indeed, Makyo Hyosho is quite taxing, but loads of Shinobi could be taken out within the first ten seconds if Haku was actually serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    I personally think Sasuke with CS2 was superior to all four in a 1 VS 1. Tayuya and Kidomaru though would give him a run for the money. The same can be said of Naruto and Rock Lee but both of them have a lot of raw power although lacking in other ninja skills.
    Maybe, maybe not. If he was facing any of the four individually, neither side would achieve a clear victor (except for Jirobo, he'd likely be taken out by Sasuke rather quickly). He has chances at beating them, but so have they. Even if he managed to defeat the four of them, he still moved around their level. There's too much pointing towards him being at their level (look at my post before). My opinion on this case remains.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    I have different versions of Naruto and Sasuke for the sole reason of comparing the more powerful versions with the weaker ones. I took an assessment of one tailed Naruto even though usually he is around chunin level but during VS threads, people take his Kyubbi cloak into account.
    That's nice and all, but my point was that, thanks to Kyuubi, a clear assessment of Naruto is quite difficult. He only showed one tail in part one, but in theory he could've awoken two, three or even four at any point of time. That's why I'm somewhat disregarding Kyuubi no Koromo and concentrate on Naruto's actual skills and fighting style. And those are, from my point of view, Low Jounin rather than Mid Jounin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    True, I would move her down a tier instead of moving Haku up as well. She was not very impressive and apparently, the data book puts her intelligence to be on par with the likes of Kiba's and Choji's. I wonder how she made it to jounin.
    That's most likely the best way. If I remember correctly, she's not even a real Jounin; she's a 'special' Jounin who merely got that title for special tasks, like being examinator at the Chuunin Exams.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    Do you think CE Sasuke and CE Neji could defeat SRA Choji with his pills? Choji can become fat and start destroying a huge portion of the land scape. He is like a one man army. Also Jirobo's chakra dome would have soloed everyone in it, this does not mean he is a high jounin level ninja even though theoretically he could have pulled off a feat much higher than what any jounin in the manga had done.
    Indeed, that's what I think. They're superior to Choji and could very well defeat him, even with his pills. It's quite a stretch to call him a one-man-army; bis Baika no Jutsu from part one is nothing compared to his part two performances. The current Choji, who can access his butterfly-mode without any pills and can expand to the size of Gedo Mazo, that's a one-man-army. Aside from that, my intention was not displaying Jirobo as a high Jounin. You said that Choji basically soloed Jorobo, I told you that's not quite the truth.
     
         
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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    The gap in their Taijutsu is not that significant. Kabuto even kept up with Tsunade for a while and managed to land a blow on her. His medical skills shouldn't be disregarded, either. He might be even able to summon snakes. I'm not quite sure if he managed to pull of that feat on his own, or if it was due to the seal on Orochimaru's arm. All in all, putting Zabuza a tier below Kabuto doesn't seem wrong to me. Kabuto simply is a genius. Just look at his skills as a spy at young age, or his medical skills when he was a child. That's true talent, and in my opinion more impressive than Zabuza. As for Kakashi, I don't know that for sure. All I know is that, if it wasn't for Haku, Zabuza would've been killed by Kakashi's Raikiri.


    I didn't want you to change his position, nor did I compare his alive-version to his Edo-version. The Low Jounin tier suits him quite well. Indeed, Makyo Hyosho is quite taxing, but loads of Shinobi could be taken out within the first ten seconds if Haku was actually serious.


    Maybe, maybe not. If he was facing any of the four individually, neither side would achieve a clear victor (except for Jirobo, he'd likely be taken out by Sasuke rather quickly). He has chances at beating them, but so have they. Even if he managed to defeat the four of them, he still moved around their level. There's too much pointing towards him being at their level (look at my post before). My opinion on this case remains.


    That's nice and all, but my point was that, thanks to Kyuubi, a clear assessment of Naruto is quite difficult. He only showed one tail in part one, but in theory he could've awoken two, three or even four at any point of time. That's why I'm somewhat disregarding Kyuubi no Koromo and concentrate on Naruto's actual skills and fighting style. And those are, from my point of view, Low Jounin rather than Mid Jounin.


    That's most likely the best way. If I remember correctly, she's not even a real Jounin; she's a 'special' Jounin who merely got that title for special tasks, like being examinator at the Chuunin Exams.


    Indeed, that's what I think. They're superior to Choji and could very well defeat him, even with his pills. It's quite a stretch to call him a one-man-army; bis Baika no Jutsu from part one is nothing compared to his part two performances. The current Choji, who can access his butterfly-mode without any pills and can expand to the size of Gedo Mazo, that's a one-man-army. Aside from that, my intention was not displaying Jirobo as a high Jounin. You said that Choji basically soloed Jorobo, I told you that's not quite the truth.
    Yea but if it wasn't for Team 7 and plot no jutsu in the 1st place Zabuza would have killed Kakashi and the series would be over........They had Zabuza just kicking and throwing the genin when he simply could have slashed them with his sword, you cant get more plot than that.
     
         

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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    good list, but Naruto and Sasuke over Rock Lee is bs just sayin.
     
         

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    No.... Some are just crazy wrong, but you did put in a lot of work. +rep
    In your sig, is imo, simply the greatest battle in Naruto history =P

    In other news, this list is sex. +2 rep!
    I only disagree with Shizune who I think should be below CS2 Sasuke & KN1 Naruto
     
         

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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    The gap in their Taijutsu is not that significant. Kabuto even kept up with Tsunade for a while and managed to land a blow on her. His medical skills shouldn't be disregarded, either. He might be even able to summon snakes. I'm not quite sure if he managed to pull of that feat on his own, or if it was due to the seal on Orochimaru's arm. All in all, putting Zabuza a tier below Kabuto doesn't seem wrong to me. Kabuto simply is a genius. Just look at his skills as a spy at young age, or his medical skills when he was a child. That's true talent, and in my opinion more impressive than Zabuza. As for Kakashi, I don't know that for sure. All I know is that, if it wasn't for Haku, Zabuza would've been killed by Kakashi's Raikiri.
    Do you think he could counter the mist? Okay fine I'll leave Zabuza as he is since he only had some decent water jutsus coupled with some kenjutsu.
    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    I didn't want you to change his position, nor did I compare his alive-version to his Edo-version. The Low Jounin tier suits him quite well. Indeed, Makyo Hyosho is quite taxing, but loads of Shinobi could be taken out within the first ten seconds if Haku was actually serious.
    Okay so we are in agreement.
    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    Maybe, maybe not. If he was facing any of the four individually, neither side would achieve a clear victor (except for Jirobo, he'd likely be taken out by Sasuke rather quickly). He has chances at beating them, but so have they. Even if he managed to defeat the four of them, he still moved around their level. There's too much pointing towards him being at their level (look at my post before). My opinion on this case remains.
    I reread the Choji fights and CE Choji is a fodder in my eyes. He belongs in the genin tier below Zaku. Some people claim that the Sasuke at the end of part 1 shits on the Sound four even as a whole. I disagree with this notion but I do believe Sasuke would wipe the floor with any of the sound four 1 VS 1. Same goes with Naruto and Rock Lee although these two may be taken out in a 1 VS 1 since they lack the same type of battle intelligence or versatility that Sasuke has. Maybe Naruto can spam clones to ensure his victory though and Rock Lee can blitz anyone in the low jounin tier easily.
    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    That's nice and all, but my point was that, thanks to Kyuubi, a clear assessment of Naruto is quite difficult. He only showed one tail in part one, but in theory he could've awoken two, three or even four at any point of time. That's why I'm somewhat disregarding Kyuubi no Koromo and concentrate on Naruto's actual skills and fighting style. And those are, from my point of view, Low Jounin rather than Mid Jounin.
    Still I view Naruto as his strongest in part 1 to be a mid jounin level ninja. I don't want to get into speculation about him unlocking new tails although without the Kyubbi, he is mere chunin level. Remember how I have different sections of each character? You can find Naruto in the chunin tier so placing his ultimate and final form in the mid jounin tier isn't too bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    That's most likely the best way. If I remember correctly, she's not even a real Jounin; she's a 'special' Jounin who merely got that title for special tasks, like being examinator at the Chuunin Exams.
    True.
    Quote Originally Posted by FloriGlori View Post
    Indeed, that's what I think. They're superior to Choji and could very well defeat him, even with his pills. It's quite a stretch to call him a one-man-army; bis Baika no Jutsu from part one is nothing compared to his part two performances. The current Choji, who can access his butterfly-mode without any pills and can expand to the size of Gedo Mazo, that's a one-man-army. Aside from that, my intention was not displaying Jirobo as a high Jounin. You said that Choji basically soloed Jorobo, I told you that's not quite the truth.
    Yeah I have changed my mind about Choji, he sucked badly in part 1. I'll move him down. Also if Choji wasn't with the Sasuke Retreival Arc, could Jiroubo have soloed all four of them? Also do you view Jiroubo to be superior to part 1 Choji?
    Quote Originally Posted by slaton02 View Post
    good list, but Naruto and Sasuke over Rock Lee is bs just sayin.
    Both Naruto and Sasuke are better than Rock Lee. Both of them can outlast him. The gates make Lee powerful but he can't maintain them for longer than Naruto and Sasuke can maintain there own respective power ups.
    Quote Originally Posted by Niwdog View Post
    In your sig, is imo, simply the greatest battle in Naruto history =P

    In other news, this list is sex. +2 rep!
    I only disagree with Shizune who I think should be below CS2 Sasuke & KN1 Naruto
    Meh Shizune is far more intelligent and experienced than these two. She also has a poison gas cloud that can kill these two easily even with the added healing effects of CS and Kyubbi. Thanks for the rep and compliment.


    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    Okay so there have been a lot of tier lists that take into account all the current characters but I am going to do one for part 1. You guys might think it is pointless but in VS threads, part 1 versions of characters come up fairly often so it is a nice idea of knowing how powerful they are in comparison.

    High Kage

    Hiruzen Prime - The guy was said to be the strongest Hokage back than and has too much hype over anyone else. It is debatable if the hype is still valid in part 2 but he was top dog in part 1. Also if he was just 10 years younger, he would have been able to seal Orochimaru away.

    Minato - Well we didn't know his name back than but he is the 4th Hokage. Also he saved the village from the nine tails' attack so even though we know little about him, it is obvious he is very strong.

    Itachi - Well Orochimaru himself said that Itachi was on a whole other level compared to him. Also he escaped the toad mouth trap and could use tsukiyomi or amaterasu against anyone below him. As a child, he killed the entire clan by himself, we don't know about Tobi or Madara just yet.

    Orochimaru - Hiruzen himself said that no one in the village could compare to him (this includes old Hiruzen and Jiraiya). Despite losing his arms, he managed to hold his own against two Sannin. Anko thought that the only one who could stop Orochimaru was Minato who was long dead. This gives Minato more hype as well.

    Jiraiya - Kisame admitted that Jiraiya is probably on a higher level than him. Jiraiya didn't show us that much but from what he has showed, he isn't too far behind anyone else in this tier.

    Old Hiruzen - He put up a very good fight but ultimately failed to defeat Orochimaru. Although he would have beat Orochimaru if he was ten years younger. He managed to hold his own against three kage level opponents by himself even though Orochimaru was toying around with him.

    Low Kage

    Tsunade - She seemed to be inferior compared to the other two Sannin in their three way battle but she is almost impossible to kill, very intelligent, best medic ninja and very strong.

    Kisame - Didn't show us much except for his strength, chakra sucking abilities and some water jutsu.

    Hashirama - Well during part 1, he didn't seem all that powerful and I am putting him below Tsunade because we didn't know that he had healing abilities or many of his other abilities that we do now.

    Tobirama - Again the same as Hashirama, not very impressive and showed us some water jutsu which used very few hand signs. A nice feat but not enough to be put higher.

    4th Kazekage - Didn't show us anything in part 1 and Orochimaru killed him and his guards without anyone from the Sand Village knowing. He has no feats or hype but he is on this list just because he is a kage.


    High Jounin

    Gai - I changed Gai's location on the tier list because he was even faster than Kakashi even without gates. He also has no stamina issues unlike his rival and Gai himself can use gates which are pretty OP. We also haven't taken into account Gai's superior taijutsu skills and immense physical strength.

    Kimimaro - Basically Kabuto said that no one from the Leaf Village is strong enough to beat Kimimaro. I don't know if this is cannon or not but did he solo the Sound Four? Despite being near death, he was able to fight 1000 Naruto clones, fight drunken and then gated Lee and finally fought Gaara who kept on burying him but he just kept coming back.

    Gaara - Well he can create huge sand tsunamis which can easily solo many jounin level opponents without too much difficulty. He could also use his tailed beast. Everyone in Suna feared him and this includes all the jounin in the Sand village.

    Kakashi - He was one of the most intelligent characters and still is. Arguably the strongest jounin in Konoha right next to Gai. He is placed above Gai because Gai didn't show us any gates. Edit: I originally had him a bit higher but EliteKakashi himself thinks that Kakashi should be lower so I placed him here. Since he is a fan of Kakashi, he is bound to know more about his character's limitations than most others.

    Kabuto - He was said to be on the same level as Kakashi by Orochimaru. Also he is a very good medic, spy and is good at psychological warfare. Edit: Well Kabuto moves below Kakashi as well because I believe Kakashi was slightly stronger than him

    Mid Jounin

    Zabuza - He gave Kakashi a good fight but in the end, Kakashi was too fast for him. He could kill plenty of jounin level ninja using the mist and silent killing. He had built up a fearsome reputation by massacring 100 academy students as a child and also attempted to assassinate the Mizukage.

    Kurenei - She was the best at genjutsu in the hidden leaf and managed to trap Itachi (best genjutsu user ever) in a genjutsu for a small amount of time. I moved her up because I think she is underrated and she can one shot a lot of people with genjutsu not named Itachi. She also trapped Kisame in a genjutsu as well so her trapping two high level ninjas in a paralysis genjutsu is very noteworthy.

    Baki - He oneshotted Geko Hayate who was a Konoha jounin. He is skilled at using an invisible wind blade and his flak jacket was able to tank a sword strike from Hayate who was a sword master. He seems pretty fast and he is after all, the sensei of the elite Sand Siblings (strongest trio of kids in part 1).

    Asuma - He was able to wound Kisame iirc. Well Kisame was just playing around with Asuma but Asuma did show us some great strength by holding Kisame off for a bit. He also soloed 7 sound ninja which not many jounin can do. He also has some good stats in the data book. If we take into account his part 2 feats, he'd be moved higher but in part 1, his jutsu arsenal wasn't very robust.

    Shizune - She is a pretty skilled medic and studied under Tsunade so she is pretty good. Her evasive skills and intelligence is pretty high. She is also skilled at using medical equipment.

    SRA Naruto/Sasuke (only with KN1 and CS2) - Some of you guys may disagree but at this point, both Naruto and Sasuke were low jounin level. Firstly they were already high chunin level before they got their power ups especially Sasuke. The CS2 and the Kyubbi cloak increases their power quite a bit so at this point they became formidable opponents even compared to some weaker jounin level ninjas. Now I moved them up a tier since both the CS2 and KN1 cloak grants them immense raw power, healing abilities, solid defence and speed. Sure neither was "jounin" level if we look at pure skill but my list is about power than skill and prowess which they both lacked.

    Rock Lee (only with gates)- Well the gates are super fast and OP so he can actually beat a lot of jounin level ninjas despite him being just a genin. The problem is that they don't last forever and are very dangerous for his health. For this reason, any ninja who has a good defence should be able to beat him. He is pretty one dimensional as well, nor does he have jounin level intelligence either. He may have the potential to beat some others above him but he isn't on their level.

    Gemna/Raido - They did give the Sound Four a decent fight but the fight was too short so I can't say they were too impressive.

    Low Jounin

    Gecko Hayate - Even though he was skilled with a sword, he still got owned at his own game. He does have sufficient hype and is titled a jounin so he is still a jounin level ninja.

    SRA Temari - Well she had an OP summon that could level an entire forest in a small amount of time. It could one shot plenty of jounin level ninjas. Also when people fought against her, they were always forced to run for cover. She was also very intelligent and good at analyzing situations.

    SRA Tayuya - She was also pretty intelligent and managed to overpower Shikamaru. She lost badly to Temari because Temari at that point was the only one who could counter her genjutsu so casually. Tayuya was also hyped to be one of the stronger members of Sound 4 iirc. Also Tayuya's demons can be very useful as they can suck chakra which is always a nice ability to have even in part 2.

    SRA Neji - He was very impressive in part 1 and was able to solo Kidomaru who most people believe was the strongest member of the Sound 4. His rotation is a pretty good defence. Neji also had excellent speed and taijutsu. He was also pretty observant which was even more helpful since he has the Byakugan which lets him see all around him.

    Kidomaru - Well he was very close to beating Neji and some may argue that he was overall stronger than Neji but a bad match up. Also his webs were very powerful and to date, only amaterasu and jyuken have broken them.

    SRA Kankuro - Well now I have moved him to this tier because stuff like poison is very deadly and without knowledge, fighting against a puppet master is very difficult. I actually see him beating a few jounin level ninjas because of the trickiness of fighting a puppet user. Also bare in mind that puppetry uses very little chakra so he can conserve a lot of it while his opponents continuously get weaker because of poison. Kankuro is pretty smart as well and I see him being underrated here for some reason.

    Sakon/Ukon - Well they had an ultimate defence (Rashoman gates), good healing abilities, they were a duo and could possess people's bodies and eat away at their cells. After manhandling Kiba, they lost to Kankuro because they were low on chakra and were a bad match up against Kankuro.

    Haku - His kkg was pretty good and he was considered a prodigy. Apparently Zabuza held him with high regards so he is obviously very strong. Zabuza went on to say that if Kakashi beat Zabuza, Kakashi wouldn't have been able to beat him. Maybe Zabuza was imlying that Kakashi wouldn't have the stamina to beat Haku but this implies that Haku can potentially put on a fight against an elite jounin of the same calibre as Kakashi. On top of all this, Haku is pretty fast, pretty intelligent and can use make jutsus with one hand seals.

    Anko - She didn't do much but she did study under Orochimaru and he gave her his curse mark because he felt that she was above average.

    Ebisu - Well it was known that he was a jounin but he didn't really do anything so he is more like a fodder but since he is hyped to be one, he has to be on this list.


    High Chunin

    Jiroubo - He pushed Choji to use the deadly red pills so he is right next to Choji. His earth dome could have soloed the rescue squad if it wasn't for Choji. I think Choji a bad match up against hiim.

    Chunin Exams Neji - Neji was slightly better than Sasuke during the chunin exams IMO because his taijutsu was better. Neji also had a pretty powerful ultimate defence which is always nice to have. His hand speed is pretty crazy as well and the Byakugan allows him to cover his blind spots.

    Chunin Exams Sasuke - Well this is Sasuke after he trained his speed and chidori to take on Gaara. At this point Sasuke only has a two tomoe sharingan and couldn't use his curse seal to its full potential.

    Chunin Exams Kankuro - During the chunin exams, Kankuro and Shino were around the same level so I put them together although I think Kankuro was superior but was up against a bad match up.

    Shino - He was quite impressive but unfortunately he wasn't on the Sasuke Retrieval Arc even though he'd be very helpful in fighting any of the Sound Five, and yes this includes Kimimaro also. He tied with Kankuro but personally I think Kankuro was an all around better ninja than Shino but he was a bad match up against a bug user which is why he didn't pull off a legit victory.

    SRA Choji (only with pills) - Well with pills he becomes extremely powerful but they have a side effect so he can't use it all the time. Without pills he is pretty meh.

    SRA Shikamaru - Well he was a genius even in part 1. He didn't have much combat prowess though and he had pretty horrible chakra reserves during the good old days. He gained the ability to use the shadow strangle jutsu so now Shikamaru finally gained an offensive ability which he lacked during the chunin exams.

    Rock Lee (without weights) - Well without weights I put him on the same level as the Sasuke that fought Gaara but I feel Sasuke was superior to him because of sharingan precog, ninjutsu and intelligence.

    SRA Kiba - He was pretty average although the wolf fang over fang is a very powerful jutsu. He also has a keen sense of smell which is always nice to have in the ninja world. Also he can have Akamaru attacking separately so it is always a 2 VS 1 against him. Kiba also had great speed but he lacked intelligence.


    Low Chunin

    Chunin Exams Temari - She only had one jutsu but that one jutsu was very useful. Her jutsu wasn't strong enough to cut a tree yet which is why there is a huge power gap between SRA Temari and CE Temari, who could casually mow down trees. For a genin who specialized in long range combat, her taijutsu was actually rather impressive. She had great skills in deducing the mechanics of how a technique works.

    Chunin Exams Shikamaru - This version of Shikamaru had even lower chakra than the one in SRA. He only had the shadow possession jutsu and couldn't do anything else at this point. He couldn't even use the shadow strangle which he learned after the chunin exams.

    Dosu - He died pretty early or else he would be a lot stronger. His sound based attacks are very useful against a close range fighter. He was also a keen analyser.

    Rock Lee (with weights) - I'm not trying to underrate Lee but with weights his speed is kind of average and he has no genjutsu or ninjutsu prowess either.

    Chunin Exams Kiba - Well he did give Naruto a good fight but he lost to Naruto who did not even have the nine tails chakra. There was some plot no jutsu involved so I view Naruto and Kiba at this point as equals. I have placed Kiba above Naruto since if Naruto had not farted, he would have lost to Kiba unless the nine tails got involved.

    Chunin Exams Naruto - This is Naruto without the nine tails chakra. At this point he did not even have the rasengan so he was inferior to Sasuke at this point. He did have kage bunshins and some decent taijutsu but other than that he was kind of meh.

    Demon Brothers - Well they had some cool chainsaws and it seemed like they were decently skilled. It seemed like Sasuke did a pretty good job against them but still, Sasuke was considered pretty elite since he was an Uchiha and all. They did get fodderized by Kakashi though but that is to be expected of an experienced and prodigious sharingan user such as Kakashi.

    Mizuki - Well he could use academy level jutsus and had the upper-hand in the fight against Iruka. He was also skilled with the usage of shuriken and kunai. He had basic ninja skills covered although he lost to early part 1 Naruto.

    Iruka - Well he lost to Mizuki so he is lower than him but he was still known as a chunin level ninja. Well the standards are pretty low if people like him and Mizuki are considered chunin level ninja but whatever. Since he taught the academy, he must have mastered all those basic academy level jutsus though and since a master with a rock can beat a rookie with a kunai, I guess he could potentially be up here.


    High Genin

    Zaku - Well he had a powerful sound blast that could cut rocks so he had a pretty good jutsu although he wasn't very skilled.

    Chunin Exams Choji - Without pills, Choji was rather meh but he does have great physical strength and stamina. His signature move was dodged by both Zaku and Dosu rather easily who were disposable fodders. His fighting style is also very sloppy and he gets dizzy after using his human juggernaut rolling jutsu even just once.

    Kin - Well she was alright with her sound attack but she is pretty arrogant and got owned pretty easily.

    Hinata - Well she did okay against Neji but than again, Neji barely broke a sweat. She had no role in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc either.

    Tenten - Well she could spam kunais which is good and all but why didn't she do something else when those kunai failed? She didn't have any other skill so she is a very one dimensional fighter. I don't blame her though since Temari is pretty boss and all so I do think Tenten is more powerful than the way the manga has portrayed her to be but if I put her above Hinata, her fans will be upset and since Hinata did put up a better fight against Neji than Tenten did against Temari, I am inclined to put Hinata above Tenten.

    Misumi - Well he was matched up against Kankuro so it was not only a bad match up but his opponent was elite so I don't think he was fodder but he only had that one jutsu and it won't always be helpful.

    Low Genin

    Ino - She would have beat Sakura fair and square if it wasn't for Naruto. Plot no jutsu strikes again.

    Sakura - She wasn't very impressive in part 1 despite being a main character with a lot of screen time. She had no ninjutsu except for substitutions and clones. Well she could bite others lol and was very intelligent although because she had very little combat skill, it didn't matter. Sakura's most impressive feat was making two clones to distract Ino and then attacking her with those two distractions.

    Yoroi - This guy was a joke, his only attacking ability was by sucking the opponent's chakra. This ability is pretty good although he fought against an opponent who was already dangerously low on chakra and still got owned so badly. Also he has to go up close to use this ability which means he can't beat mid-long range attackers. He also can't beat CQC specialists either because frankly speaking, his skills, despite being a CQC fighter, in CQC suck. I don't see how he can beat anyone else in the manga if he is that bad. It took him time to absorb someone's chakra and that is all he can do and wait for the other person to fall unconscious. Pretty sure even Ino and Sakura would dominate him in the fight because they are both CQC. Now since I talked smack about him so severely, I will say that his ability could have been amazing at interrogation since he can tire the enemy into giving up.

    Gatou's Bodyguards - These Samurai were pretty meh and were easily beaten by two early part 1 Naruto shadow clones. Well they aren't ninja so I can see why.

    If I missed anyone, free feel to tell me and also give feedback if you can. If you guys want, I might add different versions of each character because the ones in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc were a lot stronger than the ones from the Chunin Exams Arc.
     
         
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    Minato and Hiruzen Prime should be in a tier of their own.
     
         

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    Do you think he could counter the mist? Okay fine I'll leave Zabuza as he is since he only had some decent water jutsus coupled with some kenjutsu.
    Well, countering or not, I think he wouldn't easily fall prey to it and definitely has the means do defend himself. Zabuza will be fine in the Mid Jounin tier; though, after re-reading his first fight with Kakashi, placing him in the High Jounin tier doesn't seem too wrong. Do as you like, both options are fine in my opinion. Now, after I looked at the Mid Jounin tier once again, moving him up again seems right again to me. Yeah, High Jounin seems like the better choice for Zabuza.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    I reread the Choji fights and CE Choji is a fodder in my eyes. He belongs in the genin tier below Zaku. Some people claim that the Sasuke at the end of part 1 shits on the Sound four even as a whole. I disagree with this notion but I do believe Sasuke would wipe the floor with any of the sound four 1 VS 1. Same goes with Naruto and Rock Lee although these two may be taken out in a 1 VS 1 since they lack the same type of battle intelligence or versatility that Sasuke has. Maybe Naruto can spam clones to ensure his victory though and Rock Lee can blitz anyone in the low jounin tier easily.
    No, we definitely wouldn't wipe the floor with them. All those statements of Orochimaru and the Oto Quartet clearly point towards him being at their level. Even if he was slightly above them, his wings or even Chidori (though that's debatable) won't help him against Kidomaru's webs; his skills at close-combat may very well become fatality against Sakon's and Ukon's ability to merge with the enemy's body. His overall feats are slightly below those of the Oto Quartet, and their fearsome abilities are not to be taken lighty. The only one he'd wipe the floor with would most likely be Jirobo. As for the rest of them, I don't see Sasuke having an easy time with them at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    Still I view Naruto as his strongest in part 1 to be a mid jounin level ninja. I don't want to get into speculation about him unlocking new tails although without the Kyubbi, he is mere chunin level. Remember how I have different sections of each character? You can find Naruto in the chunin tier so placing his ultimate and final form in the mid jounin tier isn't too bad.
    Well, since we're coming to no conclusion here, I'll leave him where he is. It's not one of those cases where I'm totally disagreeing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    Yeah I have changed my mind about Choji, he sucked badly in part 1. I'll move him down. Also if Choji wasn't with the Sasuke Retreival Arc, could Jiroubo have soloed all four of them? Also do you view Jiroubo to be superior to part 1 Choji?
    You moved CE Choji down, but left SRA Choji in the High Chuunin tier; that was what actually bothered me. In my opinion that version of Choji clearly belongs to the Low Chuunin tier. As for your other questions; yeah, that's likely. If Choji wasn't there, Jirobo would've most likely soloed them (except if Naruto was to release Kyuubi's power). Just like Kidomaru would've basically soloed them if it wasn't for Neji's Kaiten (again, the exception would be a sudden release of Kyuubi's Chakra). Yes, I definitely consider Jirobo to be superior to part one Choji.
     
         

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    Great list. You always make good contributions to the base buddy.

    I personally disagree with the Kakashi/Kabuto fiasco (hate that topic aha) but you hardly made it a big deal so neither will I.

    Great coverage of the Sound 4 and some of the more debatable characters in part 1 (Jin Gaara/Edo Hokage etc) This list is canon to me.
     
         

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    Gaara is still over tsunade
     
         

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    Nice list (you have vm ed me this before) and explainations are nice.

    This is 1 vs 1 power right, not capabilities?

    For ex. one can legimately proove why 5 gated Lee as a genin can beat Asuma (he most likely can, i don't see Asuma keeping up or defending) but this does not mean someone like Lee will be put into a squad that he would lead 3 people as students and be their leader/educator like Asuma did.
     
         

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    Zabuza was equal if not better then part one kakashi. He wasn't slower ever. sakon was the strongest sound 4 btw.
     
         

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    And gaara was easily kage no question. Able to defeat any part one character showed!
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draegod View Post
    Zabuza was equal if not better then part one kakashi. He wasn't slower ever. sakon was the strongest sound 4 btw.
    I did change my mind about Zabuza but wasn't able to edit the list in time. Sakon might be the strongest but I think the other two can beat more people.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draegod View Post
    And gaara was easily kage no question. Able to defeat any part one character showed!
    Kimimaro was about to kill him if he lived 5 seconds more and even Gaara admitted they would be dead.
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/217/12

    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/217/14
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by caterpillar View Post
    Kimimaro was about to kill him if he lived 5 seconds more and even Gaara admitted they would be dead.
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/217/12

    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/217/14

    gaara without the Shikaku in play. You think kimmo can solo a bijuu while sick. I'm the biggest kimmi fan you don't have to tell me anything when it come to him, I know him in and out off the top of my head.
     
         

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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    Great list, but:

    - Tsunade should be in high Kage tier on even in the worst case in the mid Kage tier. If you included prime Hiruzen ( hype ), you should also include prime Tsunade, who was said to be unsurpassed in terms of taijutsu and medical ninjutsu.
    - Kisame high jounin at most. He had nothing impressive back in part1.
    - Guy med jounin. He has no feats in opening gates.
    - Zabuza high jounin without a doubt.
    - SRA Naruto & Sasuke the tier is good, but they are stronger then Shizune.
    - Lee isn't in mid jounin tier IMO, high chuunin at most. He is still only a CHUUNIN for a reason.
    - Sakura - high gennin. Her battle skills weren't that impressive, but according to Tsunade and Kakashi she was extremely talented even in part1. And let's not forget about her intelligence.
     
         

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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    I only read the top 5, and you have made a mistake, which is itachi & Jman. Itachi himself admitted that
    he is weaker than Jman, not only Kisame.
     
         

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    Re: Part 1 Naruto Tier List

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEvilOne View Post
    Great list, but:

    - Tsunade should be in high Kage tier on even in the worst case in the mid Kage tier. If you included prime Hiruzen ( hype ), you should also include prime Tsunade, who was said to be unsurpassed in terms of taijutsu and medical ninjutsu.
    - Kisame high jounin at most. He had nothing impressive back in part1.
    - Guy med jounin. He has no feats in opening gates.
    - Zabuza high jounin without a doubt.
    - SRA Naruto & Sasuke the tier is good, but they are stronger then Shizune.
    - Lee isn't in mid jounin tier IMO, high chuunin at most. He is still only a CHUUNIN for a reason.
    - Sakura - high gennin. Her battle skills weren't that impressive, but according to Tsunade and Kakashi she was extremely talented even in part1. And let's not forget about her intelligence.
    Tsunade - Tsunade said that part 1 Kabuto is above her prime so her hype is invalid since she herself admits she wasn't that strong.

    Kisame - Him being in the Akatsuki, composed entirely of S ranked missing nins, put him at low kage level.

    Guy - But he was considered to be on par with Kakashi and much stronger than Lee who could use all the way up to 5 gates.

    Zabuza - I debated this with Shaneyy in this thread and ended up putting him on high jounin level but it was too late so I couldn't edit the list.

    SRA Naruto and Sasuke - I'm not sure if their overall fighting prowess is above Shizune's. What is their counter for poison gas? I would put SRA Temari above Shizune as well but the jounin hype in part one was pretty strong.

    Lee has always been on par with Neji so him being chunin level doesn't mean he is chunin level. He didn't get promoted to jounin because he is only a full fledged jounin when in gates and that is only a last resort. Also his intelligence, judgement and leadership skills are lacking.

    Sakura - She was a bit weaker than Ino in part one and was getting smacked around by Dosu and Kin. Her being intelligent means nothing unless you think current Shikamaru, who actually has better jutsus and is more intelligent than Sakura, can take on mid-high jounin shinobis.
     
         

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