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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    ok ok kakashi < konohamaru
     
         

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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    poor knonhomaru he would get 1000 years of pain right up his @SS
     
         

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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    Quote Originally Posted by ssanimo View Post
    it seems like every other day i read something somewhere about itachi being scared to fight j-man.......bullshit that was for naruto and his love for the village he would never hurt the village or anyone from it

    and as for jutsu,chakra and pure fighting abilities in power,speed and overall ninja skills..........and this is only from what we know.....so you cant realy make arguement for yondaime or madara/tobi or even danzo

    here goes my top 5

    1) Itachi -becuz of susano/sword of totsuka(spl) combo....just havent seen nething that could beat it (maybe kyubi but dam that sword is wicked)....and no one knows even anyone picked it up after battle....****** prob didn't even know wtf it was and madara is the one who took itachi's body and eyes (just holding them for the time being)

    2) Naruto -cuz of will power,9-tails (with or w/o control if it comes out its pwnage) sage mode, mastery of kage bunshin, and his jutsu are uber powerful

    now it gets tough......pain,******,j-man and hachibi.....how will they stack up???

    3) Hachibi -well we know what the 4 tails of kyubi did to j-man and orochimaru.......and he has full control over biju, not to mention wicked sword skills and lighting jutsu......he basicly killed ****** 3 times and just raped his whole crew as well (remember this is about individuals not teams or naruto,kakashi,yamato,sakura and sai would be my #1)

    even tougher now......

    4) Sasuke - and i guess i'll give him the honor of spelling his name right.....we all know of his top notch lightning,fire and sword skills but i put him here becuz i look at his sharingan kinda of like ichgo's bankai from bleach.........the both are great powers but have been abtain very quickly w/o much time to mature.......also it was said he was given all of itachi dojutsu......and all we have seen him use is amaterasu and tsukuyomi.......not all sharingan are the same so he may be able to unlock other dojutsu as well......or maybe his just the same cuz they're brothers....or maybe thats just the best set of sharingan justu u can obtain....although i think if an uchiha like itachi were to use kamui (kakashi tech.) it would be even more useful than amaterasu (think about it if itachi had implated an istant response to activate kamui at the site of madaras sharingan......he would have been gone instantly into another dimension....or he could have just popped his head off as kakshi was tryin to do with dedeira

    and finally

    5) Pain/Nagato -he's here cuz he beat j-man but lost to naruto........his jutsu seem endless,he pwned the entire village and still gave naruto w/sage mode and then the 8-tailed kyubi a run for their money..........it would seem that he should be higher up on the list.....but i just don't no where he would fit......sasuke can't be weaker (well i wouldn't think anyways as it goes against every fighting anime/manga ever made......i mean you don't fight pain and then kakuzu your enemy grows stronger every time.....and pain is dead and sasuke is on his way so.......sasuke has to be stronger by the code of manga

    and as for j-man.....it pains me to say i couldn't find a place for him in this list becuz he is definitly one of my all time favs.......but i just couldn't

    one last side note was wondering if sword of totsuksa and yata's mirror are a part of susano ......but i don't think so as it apears to show itachi holding a bottle that the spirit sword come out of........i'm unclear on yata's mirror as zetsu says he's using it but itachi himself is not shown holding anything

    would definitly love to hear your replies!!!

    You bring up alot of interesting points for your list I might not agree with it but atleast you are a little more civil with your ideas. So here is my list it is a little different than yours.


    1. Madara- obviously even the 4th Hokage knew he was too powerful. And anyone that can completely control the 9-tailed demon fox i mean come on naruto can't even do that yet.(Sasuke can somewhat but he couldn't completely control it like Madara yet)

    2. Minato- Yeah I know he's dead but he fought and sealed the 9-tails into his own son and was a genius.

    2. Naruto- yeah i put him as tied with his dad for now. Even Minato couldn't use Sage mode the way Naruto could. And eventually Naruto will learn Flying Thunder God jutsu. He completed his dad's jutsu as well the Rasen-Shuriken which we have all seen totally owned pain.

    3. Nagato- Rinnegan enough said. Well actually he could have been the strongest i think if he had not went through all the crap he did because of Hanzo and Danzou. And if he had more time to train.

    4. Jiraiya- he fought pain alone and took out some of his bodies even though they came back. Pain pretty much destroyed the whole village before Naruto got there. He destroyed more of pain's bodies than anyone by himself besides Naruto.

    5. Itachi- yeah may have been able to beat J-man but we are not certain i mean he did run away. Look at what he did to Kakashi. He could have fought him without killing him but he didn't becasue he wasn't sure about fighting J-man. Sasuke could not have beaten him if he were not already sick and dying. And he planned for Sasuke to take his eyes anyway to fight Madara. Even though Madara is using Sasuke right now. this overall list
     
         

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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    here is another list of Shinobi that are Alive still.

    1. Madara

    2. Naruto

    3. Hachibi

    4. Sasuke/Kisame- We still don't really know what Kisame can do when he fought Guy he was only at %30. or his clone was

    5. Kakashi/Danzou?- We still don't know what Danzou can do.
     
         

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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    Ok here is my list: 1- Madara: For obvious reasons possesing the strongest doujutsu.
    2- Itachi: The man that even Madara feared. Madara did not fear Kisame,Jiraya,Minato anyone just Itachi...
    3-Nagato: Just watch the current arc.
    4-Orochimaru: The once in a decade or generation genious. He was immortal and he is no dead yet.
    5- Sasori: One of the strongest if not the strongest character.
     
         

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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    Ok here is my list: 1- Madara: For obvious reasons possesing the strongest doujutsu.
    2- Itachi: The man that even Madara feared. Madara did not fear Kisame,Jiraya,Minato anyone just Itachi...
    3-Nagato: Just watch the current arc.
    4-Orochimaru: The once in a decade or generation genious. He was immortal and he is no dead yet.
    5- Sasori: One of the strongest if not the strongest character.

    what about kakuzu ?deidara? ...many of you said that sasori is stronger than kakashi ...I still don't believe it.....but even so it's close...but you really think sasori can beat deidara?and that sasori is the 5th strongest character in the series?or the strongest?you must be a really big fan....if he was so powerful he wouldn't be the first akatsuki that died....jiraiya , deidara, kakuzu , sasuke, naruto, 8-tails and the ones about you talked are obvious stronger than sasori
     
         
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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    and I forgot kisame...and maybe there are some more..
     
         

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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    Ok here is my list: 1- Madara: For obvious reasons possesing the strongest doujutsu.
    2- Itachi: The man that even Madara feared. Madara did not fear Kisame,Jiraya,Minato anyone just Itachi...
    3-Nagato: Just watch the current arc.
    4-Orochimaru: The once in a decade or generation genious. He was immortal and he is no dead yet.
    5- Sasori: One of the strongest if not the strongest character.



    Where is naruto he beat Nagato and no one else could I can't completely argue your list
     
         

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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ3Gotenks View Post
    You bring up alot of interesting points for your list I might not agree with it but atleast you are a little more civil with your ideas.

    Odd words for a civil conversation! Looks like you have had some bad encounter.


    So here is my list it is a little different than yours.

    1. Madara- obviously even the 4th Hokage knew he was too powerful. And anyone that can completely control the 9-tailed demon fox i mean come on naruto can't even do that yet.(Sasuke can somewhat but he couldn't completely control it like Madara yet)

    2. Minato- Yeah I know he's dead but he fought and sealed the 9-tails into his own son and was a genius.

    2. Naruto- yeah i put him as tied with his dad for now. Even Minato couldn't use Sage mode the way Naruto could. And eventually Naruto will learn Flying Thunder God jutsu. He completed his dad's jutsu as well the Rasen-Shuriken which we have all seen totally owned pain.

    3. Nagato- Rinnegan enough said. Well actually he could have been the strongest i think if he had not went through all the crap he did because of Hanzo and Danzou. And if he had more time to train.

    4. Jiraiya- he fought pain alone and took out some of his bodies even though they came back. Pain pretty much destroyed the whole village before Naruto got there. He destroyed more of pain's bodies than anyone by himself besides Naruto.

    5. Itachi- yeah may have been able to beat J-man but we are not certain i mean he did run away. Look at what he did to Kakashi. He could have fought him without killing him but he didn't becasue he wasn't sure about fighting J-man. Sasuke could not have beaten him if he were not already sick and dying. And he planned for Sasuke to take his eyes anyway to fight Madara. Even though Madara is using Sasuke right now. this overall list

    Comparing any shinobi with others doesn't do much good. Temari beat Shikamaru, Shikamaru won against Hidan. Doesn't mean that Temari had any chance against Hidan.

    Nagato: Strongest Shinobi. It's too bad that he never got a chance to use his power to full potential. Rinnegan was amazing and Nagato was a talented. I doubt Madara would even ever challange him in real battle.

    Madara: Most cunning and coniving. Madara's real power is manipulating others. He attacks from behind and rather fight in gurrilla style.

    Orochimaru: Evil intellectual. His thirst for power went beyond Madara's.

    Itachi: Losing him to politics was the greatest loss for Konoha. His fighting skills combined with his sheer will power and intellect would have made him a great successor to hokage position some day.

    Minato: A great talent and genius shinobi. Acheived quite a lot in a very short time though he didn't have any special blood line ability as far as we know. He caged the Kyuubi and succeeded in chasing off Madara for a second time.

    Some may argue that he didn't beat Madara as he said that Madara countered his every move to fight with Kyuubi. But my POV is that he did seal Madara's weapon, thus Madara+ Kyuubi < Minato.

    If Madara had any other thing up his arm besides Kyuubi, he would have profitted by Minato's death. Instead he had to retreat again to gather some other pawns. War was not over but, that particular battle was won by Minato. And Minato also managed to think a future strategy to deal with Madara, at the same time fighting with kyuubi.

    Jiraiya: Greatest sensei in his time- he inspired his pupils to great things in his own way- Minato, Naruto, Nagato... extraordinary students.

    Jiraiya probably would have beaten Pain if he realised sooner what was he up to. Jiraiya was taken by surprise. Nagato probably would not have been able to use shinera Tensi ( his personal favourite defence and offence in Konoha) in Amegakure- his weakness= Jiraiya's power. i don't mean to say Jairaiya was more powerful than Nagato or not- In Naruto verse it's just a matter of having a lucky day.

    Also I see many argue that Itachi lied when he said he won't be able to defeat Jiraiya. Itachi had said that at the best it would be a draw- both parites Itachi+Kisame and Jiraiya all three dying. It's a mere speculation that Itachi lied- Itachi never lied about skill level of any shinobi any time. He gave analasis quite neutrally and as a matter of fact. He would have just told Kisame that they didn't need a full scale fight anyway as he said him after their encounter with Kakashi and others. He woould have told Jiraiya that he was leaving.

    Let's face it Jiraiya had not even started- he had just summonned toad belly and Itachi had to use Ametseasu to escape it. It use to damage his eye- why would he use if he could escape at less than that? Ametsrasu was sealed by Jiraiya.

    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v17/c148/9.html

    Maybe Itachi was wrong and would have won. but, one can never be sure- only speculate at best.

    Same goes for every other comparison too.

    Naruto is no doubt going to turn out to be the strongest in his own way- he has something more than fighting skills. A will power and a positive infulence over others... Sasuke is better skilled at fighting - because he is able to be more focussed and think faster than Naruto. Still the path he chose limited his accomplishments. Naruto uses more than his fighting skills in a battle. As I read somewhere at theis forum itself- Nagato was defeated by a book.

    Sasuke would end up the best general out there, but the king would be Naruto. Sasuke doesn't show much people's skills , does he?
     
         
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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    here's my list:

    1-Madara:we all now the reason.

    2-itachi:because with sussanno he was invinsible.

    3-nagato/naruto: we all now why.but i think nagato might have been stronger if he wasnt in that state and used 6 paths and his body he would be stronger.sage mode, rasen-shuriken kyuubi all said

    4-8 tails/kisame

    5-sasuke/kakashi
     
         

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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    Quote Originally Posted by isthatnecessary View Post
    Odd words for a civil conversation! Looks like you have had some bad encounter.





    Comparing any shinobi with others doesn't do much good. Temari beat Shikamaru, Shikamaru won against Hidan. Doesn't mean that Temari had any chance against Hidan.

    Nagato: Strongest Shinobi. It's too bad that he never got a chance to use his power to full potential. Rinnegan was amazing and Nagato was a talented. I doubt Madara would even ever challange him in real battle.

    Madara: Most cunning and coniving. Madara's real power is manipulating others. He attacks from behind and rather fight in gurrilla style.

    Orochimaru: Evil intellectual. His thirst for power went beyond Madara's.

    Itachi: Losing him to politics was the greatest loss for Konoha. His fighting skills combined with his sheer will power and intellect would have made him a great successor to hokage position some day.

    Minato: A great talent and genius shinobi. Acheived quite a lot in a very short time though he didn't have any special blood line ability as far as we know. He caged the Kyuubi and succeeded in chasing off Madara for a second time.

    Some may argue that he didn't beat Madara as he said that Madara countered his every move to fight with Kyuubi. But my POV is that he did seal Madara's weapon, thus Madara+ Kyuubi < Minato.

    If Madara had any other thing up his arm besides Kyuubi, he would have profitted by Minato's death. Instead he had to retreat again to gather some other pawns. War was not over but, that particular battle was won by Minato. And Minato also managed to think a future strategy to deal with Madara, at the same time fighting with kyuubi.

    Jiraiya: Greatest sensei in his time- he inspired his pupils to great things in his own way- Minato, Naruto, Nagato... extraordinary students.

    Jiraiya probably would have beaten Pain if he realised sooner what was he up to. Jiraiya was taken by surprise. Nagato probably would not have been able to use shinera Tensi ( his personal favourite defence and offence in Konoha) in Amegakure- his weakness= Jiraiya's power. i don't mean to say Jairaiya was more powerful than Nagato or not- In Naruto verse it's just a matter of having a lucky day.

    Also I see many argue that Itachi lied when he said he won't be able to defeat Jiraiya. Itachi had said that at the best it would be a draw- both parites Itachi+Kisame and Jiraiya all three dying. It's a mere speculation that Itachi lied- Itachi never lied about skill level of any shinobi any time. He gave analasis quite neutrally and as a matter of fact. He would have just told Kisame that they didn't need a full scale fight anyway as he said him after their encounter with Kakashi and others. He woould have told Jiraiya that he was leaving.

    Let's face it Jiraiya had not even started- he had just summonned toad belly and Itachi had to use Ametseasu to escape it. It use to damage his eye- why would he use if he could escape at less than that? Ametsrasu was sealed by Jiraiya.

    Manga Fox: Naruto Vol.17 Ch.148: Itachi's Power!! Online Manga Scans

    Maybe Itachi was wrong and would have won. but, one can never be sure- only speculate at best.

    Same goes for every other comparison too.

    Naruto is no doubt going to turn out to be the strongest in his own way- he has something more than fighting skills. A will power and a positive infulence over others... Sasuke is better skilled at fighting - because he is able to be more focussed and think faster than Naruto. Still the path he chose limited his accomplishments. Naruto uses more than his fighting skills in a battle. As I read somewhere at theis forum itself- Nagato was defeated by a book.

    Sasuke would end up the best general out there, but the king would be Naruto. Sasuke doesn't show much people's skills , does he?
    nice points as always with you but my list didn't include ppl we have not seen fight......and again my main arguement for itachi is the combo of susano,yata's mirror and sword of totsuka........as great as susano,amaterasu and tsukuyomi are......the sword and the mirror take the cake......mainly the sword......anything it touches is just f*cked.........it's completely overpowered for the narutoverse even now.......i mean its like some kinda jutsu that someone on narutobase battle arena would think of......only the mods/sensei's......whatever(i dont battle) wouldn't let them use it....cuz it pwns so freakin much........
     
         

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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    [QUOTE=isthatnecessary;1173383]Odd words for a civil conversation! Looks like you have had some bad encounter.





    Yeah you can't make any counterpoints to Peaceful without him calling you a spammer or threatening you with a report. I still will discuss it but is better this way than his.
     
         

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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    [QUOTE=SSJ3Gotenks;1174427]
    Quote Originally Posted by isthatnecessary View Post
    Odd words for a civil conversation! Looks like you have had some bad encounter.





    Yeah you can't make any counterpoints to Peaceful without him calling you a spammer or threatening you with a report. I still will discuss it but is better this way than his.
    omg you are still here!!!!
     
         

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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    Quote Originally Posted by ssanimo View Post
    nice points as always with you but my list didn't include ppl we have not seen fight......and again my main arguement for itachi is the combo of susano,yata's mirror and sword of totsuka........as great as susano,amaterasu and tsukuyomi are......the sword and the mirror take the cake......mainly the sword......anything it touches is just f*cked.........it's completely overpowered for the narutoverse even now.......i mean its like some kinda jutsu that someone on narutobase battle arena would think of......only the mods/sensei's......whatever(i dont battle) wouldn't let them use it....cuz it pwns so freakin much........
    Hmm... yes your list didn't. I quoted the last post and replied to that...

    Itachi is my favourite. And his susano and yata mirror and sword were amazing. I just wonder how long he could use it and if there were any other limits to it- like that 5 sec gap thing with Deva pain...

    It also makes me wonder about Itachi's gift to Naruto. It mught just be a message, but, I am hoping it's something more interesting than a mere lecture to Sasuke- lol

    Since, Oro was looking for the sword, it makes me suspect that the sword was in Itachi's posseion but, not part of susano tech. And I believe Naruto can use a sword- he doesn't have any though a lot of manga covers equipped him with one.
     
         
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    Re: Views on Itachi.......Was he the Strongest????

    did orochimaru bite itachi with his snakes?

    if you look at bio ...itachi is much stronger...



     
         

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