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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    This is the current, most sensible theory that I've gathered from reading everyone's posts on here (well, almost everyone) and from my own conclusions.

    Kishi has obviously placed many hints along the way that Tobi is Obito, from the anagram in his name to the flashbacks of Kakashi.

    Due to the questionable plotholes and Kishi's complex style of making things different than what they originally seem (and also unexpected plot twists- ex., Itachi murdering his clan for Konoha vs. for arbitrary selfish evil reasons), the only plausible explanation so far is that Tobi is more than one person.

    How could Obito fight Minato even though he was so young? The Tobi that was fighting Minato during the Nine Tails' attack must have been Madara, or some other Uchiha.

    How did Obito survive being crushed by a rock? We never see him actually dying in that chapter; therefore, we cannot assume he died. He has lines/disfiguration on (his) right side of the face where he was crushed, another hint that this Tobi is Obito.

    Remember how basically everyone was convinced that Tobi was Madara way back when, until Kishi mind****ed us all and revived the real Madara via Edo Tensei? I haven't really seen anyone mention this, but I feel like this detail might be a little important. There HAS to be some connection between the two. As someone else mentioned, Madara may have served as some sort of mentor to Obito as he kind of did to Sasuke and manipulated him.

    Obito could be really carrying out Madara's plan/will; otherwise, it doesn't make sense why Obito would be the one who wants control.

    There are still many unanswered questions, however...

    Another theory is that this figure could also be the Sage of the Six Paths. After all, he does have the rinnegan, sharingan, and as others speculate, probably DNA from both the Senju and Uchiha clans. But where did he come from?

    I don't know why everyone's pissed at the thought of Tobi being Obito. I don't think Kishi would ever make things that simple. If he does, then he'll just make up for it with some awesome explanation later...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by unreaped View Post
    here's my opinion.

    maybe tobi is just 'someone' who took obito's face or eye.
    (i can't wait for the explanation in next chapter)

    it is impossible in every way.
    obito is supposed to be the same age as kakashi.
    yet, in naruto 502, tobi was illustrated as a grown man fighting on par with the yondaime(obito's teacher) while kakashi and gai was still in their teen age (16+ years old)

    plus, even it it's a miracle.
    obito was way inferior to kakashi and yet in few years(neglecting the time he needed to recover from the stone crash), he was on the same level as the yondaime.
    the sealing technique, able to control kyuubi, know about uzumaki clan and even know when the kushina's seal at its' weakest.
    i agree that tobi is bigger and manlier than obito should be, maybe he warped to the other dimension and time moves faster there so he aged hahha i duno but he wasnt on par with the fourth. He caught minato by surprise and managed to steal the kyuubi and then got owned by minato. all tobi has is a jutsu that makes him untouchable but his attack power isnt much and minato saw right through his tech and ruined his plan.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    YEAH TRUE STORY, thats the only way you can explain the kamui "teleportation". Time passes very fast in the kamui dimension.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kisame1993 View Post
    YEAH TRUE STORY, thats the only way you can explain the kamui "teleportation". Time passes very fast in the kamui dimension.
    It still doesn't explain how he even MASTERED the first stage Sharingan.
    In less than a year... & get the MS in the same year. That just doesn't add up.

    Here's how it sounds: He activated the Sharingan on his death day, mastered the sharingan, and MYSTICALLY obtained the MS. All in a 13 month time frame.


    Even Madara and Izuna didn't master theirs' that quickly.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by insomniac View Post
    How could Obito fight Minato even though he was so young? The Tobi that was fighting Minato during the Nine Tails' attack must have been Madara, or some other Uchiha.
    very unlikey, no one is showed with kamui other than tobi, it could be of course madara but he didnt show kamui in his fight so i dont think he possess it, so it needed to be obito who fought the 4th
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    in chapter 560, the real madara said this line
    "this is HIS doing. he definitely has something in mind, but what? things doesn't seem to be going as according to plan very well"

    the word HIS implies that the real madara know about tobi's existence.
    they must have met each other.

    is madara still alive during the battle of kannabi bridge?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyno View Post
    Which he could have done within a year. Especially with the help of madara. Sasuke was able to do so
    Madara would've most likely have been dead... Since he passed the Rinnegan to Nagato.. & that was before Obito was even born.

    No living person will willingly pass on their eyes, unless they knew they were dying that day.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    I just wanna say its obito face an eye but its not him completly soul reason hes been blown up a few times like konan fight how he restore himself think he might hav a zetsu in him, an as for mask man im thinking its a idea maybe it was madara first then passed down to maybe kagami he disappered, then maybe who ever this obito is this is my idea, when fighting 4th this could of been a Zetsu who copy him an took the eye so the obito now might be a zetsu with obito eye
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kisame1993 View Post
    very unlikey, no one is showed with kamui other than tobi, it could be of course madara but he didnt show kamui in his fight so i dont think he possess it, so it needed to be obito who fought the 4th
    Good point. I'm not too good when it comes to remembering who has what... I don't follow the characters and their jutsus that closely.

    However, if Obito were the one who fought the 4th, then that raises so many more questions. How would he have known all that history about the 4th and the village? Why does he hold a vendetta against the village all of a sudden? How could he have gained so much strength in such a short span of time?

    I don't know how old he was when he fought Minato, but it's hard to believe it was him. Especially with the flashback that showed how weak Obito was (like Naruto). Then again, Naruto has gained much strength in a few years too... you never know.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    I just wanna say its obito face an eye but its not him completly soul reason hes been blown up a few times like konan fight how he restore himself think he might hav a zetsu in him, an as for mask man im thinking its a idea maybe it was madara first then passed down to maybe kagami he disappered, then maybe who ever this obito is this is my idea, when fighting 4th this could of been a Zetsu who copy him an took the eye so the obito now might be a zetsu with obito eye
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Koha View Post
    Madara would've most likely have been dead... Since he passed the Rinnegan to Nagato.. & that was before Obito was even born.

    No living person will willingly pass on their eyes, unless they knew they were dying that day.
    must'nt be, he could easily give his mights only with his fingertip like itachi to sasuke, cause yeah kishi is potraying madara like a god, so ITS NO FACT that he died when he gave nagato the rinnegan.
    SO the only thing to say, we need to wait for the new chap
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    Just want to say that some people on the Base need to stop complaining an wait till more info is given. For Now tobi is obito and it's shown in titles and backlash. Also people need to stop saying how can he go head to head with the fourth. Maybe he trained in a space-time dimension where the days go by faster making him age in a short time. (that is a theory)

    Anyone can go up against anyone in Te naruto universe as long as you have power ups and skilled. First of all if you notice minato dominated that fight, the only blow tobi/obito landed was the paperbomb and that was a diversion so he could use the flying thundergod jutsu so no one in the room can get hurt. So yes he did know about it.

    If you want people could wait and read 10 chapters at a time like I do and then comment that way it would make sense when all the dots are connected.

    But for now and probably going toward tobi is obito. Unless zetsu is the mastermind of all and appear and says " you see obitovin me but" and so on
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kisame1993 View Post
    must'nt be, he could easily give his mights only with his fingertip like itachi to sasuke, cause yeah kishi is potraying madara like a god, so ITS NO FACT that he died when he gave nagato the rinnegan.
    SO the only thing to say, we need to wait for the new chap
    =\ That was Itachi's transcription seal, notice how Sasuke's Sharingan trasformed into Itachi's Mangekyou Sharingan. That was a one time trap jutsu to kill Tobi. There's no fact to it, but there's no way around it, even a Godly character like Madara is next to useless without his eyes.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by KakashiBlueLightning View Post
    Yeah, it'll be hard for KAKASHI to revive his dark memory like this... So Kishi deploy the RED Herring finally 'eh?:ice:
    yeah, he played a bad one here... and if what many say happens and it's just somebody using Obito's body then Kakashi is already rendered useless...

    Quote Originally Posted by BlightBoy View Post
    He better doesn't switch to sasuke D: , there is a big chance he meant to say he is Obito to troll us and add some drama action , then reveal his real character later on. (Tobi fight vs Minato doesn't show he was obito / Kisame meeting tobi , we saw in the memory tobi hair was the same as madara , which means at that moment the masked man was madara , but later on Kisame saw tobi face and he knew he is , it can be obito (being madara successor) , so in short it looks like we had two masked men.
    I said that way back, but I'm glad you agree
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Koha View Post
    =\ That was Itachi's transcription seal, notice how Sasuke's Sharingan trasformed into Itachi's Mangekyou Sharingan. That was a one time trap jutsu to kill Tobi. There's no fact to it, but there's no way around it, even a Godly character like Madara is next to useless without his eyes.
    just sayin that madara doesnt need to loose his eyes to give nagato the power for the rinnegan, you never know which idiotic idea kishi puts in the manga. like a madara with mokuton, rinnegan, and infinite chakra -> REAL BULLSH**
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kisame1993 View Post
    just sayin that madara doesnt need to loose his eyes to give nagato the power for the rinnegan, you never know which idiotic idea kishi puts in the manga. like a madara with mokuton, rinnegan, and infinite chakra -> REAL BULLSH**
    Yes he would... He would have to transplant his eyes. If that were the case you wouldn't even have to take someone's eyes for the EMS :sy:

    And that could all be explained canonically though. Madara caught a bit of Hashirama's DNA in their final battle, Rinnegan seems to be the final evolution of the EMS (Speculated), the infinite chakra is because he was summoned with Impure World Resurrection.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 600 Predictions and 599 Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by bender View Post
    HOW COULD obito UNLOCK HIS MS AND MASTER IT THEN FIGHT THE FOURTH AND COME CLOSE TO KILLING HIM...oh and for people who are gona say it was madara who fought the fourth, madara doesnt have kamu jutsu aka s/t
    I think Madara is that guy who fought yondaime.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    I think we should wait till next week to see what comes of this. I think there are far to many people upset over this. Its simply a comic, Kishi can and will do as he pleases with his story. There is no problem that he can not create a resolution for. After all he is the creator. I am happy to see that we know who he is, and sure we will have a mind blowing explanation come chapter 600!

    For those saying its ruined, simply quit reading it and get over it! its not the end of the world! to those of you that are along for the ride, i have a feeling its gonna be a awesome one! I am tired of trying to guess whats going to happen, just going to wait everyweek to read it! One thing i will say i am going to miss seeing that epic mask!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    it cant be Obito.. i refuse to believe..:/
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

    everyone who keeps saying its not obito....SHUT THE F-CK UP!!!!!!!! It's either actually obito or obitos body under possession of something/someone WAIT TILL NEXT WEEK AND JUST PONDER ON ONE OR THE OTHER REGARDLESS IT IS OBITO
     
         

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